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Spurs' Manning won't play elsewhere Column by Buck Harvey Updated 12:10 a.m., Thursday, March 8, 2012 http://tinyurl.com/7w87cb5 前段省略,主要講的是NFL現年36歲的明星四分衛Peyton Manning前幾天被效力 14年的老東家小馬隊以省錢為由釋出。Manning被譽為是史上最偉大的四分衛, 選秀狀元,4屆MVP與1次冠軍,與Duncan頗有類比之處, 作者拿他來與Tim Duncan比較,並說明為什麼這不可能發生在馬刺與TD上。 The Spurs won't have to face that. Duncan doesn't have a bubble payment coming,and the dynamics of the NBA are different, too. Even if another 6-foot-11 savior was arriving, Duncan could play with him. 這個(Peyton Manning)情況不會發生在馬刺隊,TD已經在舊合約的最後一年了, 而且NBA與NFL的生態並不相同,就算有另一個6-11吋的救世主降臨,TD也能為球 隊付出一定貢獻(但NFL場上的四分衛就只能有一個)。 Still, there was a time when the Spurs wondered if they could talk a Hall of Fame lock into a salary slash. Couldn't they better rebuild if David Robinson would take an 80 percent pay cut? That was in the summer of 2001, and Robinson wondered out loud then if he would finish his career in San Antonio. The Spurs backtracked, and everything worked out, including another title for Robinson. 十年前的夏天,馬刺也曾經考慮過要David Robinson換一個更便宜的新約,如果 砍了大羅的八成的薪水,那重建起來應該更容易對吧? 這讓David Robinson一度考慮在別的隊伍退休,但最後馬刺讓步了,後來的事情 大家都應該很清楚:球隊運作順利,大羅也再拿了一座冠軍。 The Spurs not only remember all of this, they also saw again Wednesday what their own Manning can still do for them. Then, against the Knicks, Duncan was workmanlike with 17 points and eight rebounds in a game that was never close. It was the kind of night, given his effectiveness, the Spurs can see being repeated for another two or three years. 制服組不僅記得十年前大羅的經驗,他們也看到了TD本季仍有的績效:對上尼克的 比賽中拿下了17分8籃板,馬刺隊可以期待這樣的績效仍然可以持續兩年到三年。 Months ago during the lockout, before anyone was sure there was even going to be a season, the Spurs were already thinking about this summer. Duncan's contract is something they have to get right, and they've already been trying to get a sense of what he deserves. A starting point: More than half what Duncan was scheduled to earn this season. ﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌﹌ 幾個月前封館的時候,制服組早已經開始計劃這個暑假的換約,TD的新約是他們 必須做對的一件事情,他們也大概估算過TD應得到多少錢: 比Duncan這季合約的一半再多一些。 (大概約11M吧。) Duncan wouldn't want to leave. This is all he's ever known and, besides, he would have trouble finding another coach like Gregg Popovich. Not everyone gets ejected with a 22-point lead, as Popovich did Wednesday. Manning didn't have any choice, but he won't have trouble finding another job. Soon he'll be a Dolphin or a Cardinal or — if Houston is lucky — a Texan. And that's the difference between these men and their careers. When Duncan leaves the Spurs, he won't be going anywhere. TD不可能想要離開馬刺,聖城與馬刺隊是他在NBA所熟悉的一切,當然還有Popovich 教練,他要到哪裡找到一個在球隊領先22分的時候,大罵裁判而被驅逐出場的教練呢? (按:老番癲的真性情!) Manning沒有選擇必須要離開小馬,但一定有其他球隊會簽下他。這就是他與Duncan 這兩位偉大球員的差異之處了: Duncan離開馬刺時,將是他退休的時候。 -- 心得: 其實整篇最大的情報就是TD的新約應該約在11M左右,諸位覺得如何? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 124.8.98.59
buyao531:大Manning...... 唉 雖然我是Pats Fan 還是感到(默 03/09 22:25
max0427:TD就是馬刺,馬刺就是TD,所以FO給他多大張我都沒意見句點 03/09 22:26
alex40214:沒看NFL 不過那是個不保障約嗎? 疑惑當初怎麼會這樣簽@@ 03/09 22:28
dogville:太高了 不樂見 03/09 22:32
※ 編輯: alex40214 來自: 124.8.98.59 (03/09 22:39)
timmycome:OK! 03/09 22:44
vvnbear:一千萬我覺得是極限了!! 03/09 22:54
ponkd:沒意見,說實在的,不認為能吸引到大牌求星,所以只要清初一 03/09 23:00
ponkd:些薪資,可以留下TJ、GREEN,補個一兩個堪用內線的薪資空間 03/09 23:01
ponkd:就夠了,重點是不要簽長約,一年視自由市場狀況一簽,操作彈 03/09 23:02
ponkd:性比較大,這才是重點。 03/09 23:02
spurs2120:大概沒辦法一年一簽... 03/09 23:05
musichour:一年一簽太殘忍了吧>< 03/09 23:07
hanceheart:800-1000之間算合理 03/09 23:12
magicchen:他是TD 就算簽貴了也沒什麼好怨的 我猜35M/3Y 03/09 23:18
blackdevil:反正已經錯兩次了(RJ,JA),給老大任何薪水我都同意 03/09 23:36
mark30204:對TD來說 根本不差這幾M 價碼的高底主要是對TD的尊重 03/09 23:37
hc1118:我們(其實大部分球隊都是)沒有太多犯錯的空間 我也是TD迷 03/09 23:51
hc1118:當然希望給他最好的薪資讓他留下來 可是我想制服組也該想想 03/09 23:53
hc1118:我們到底該往哪走? 03/09 23:54
GAPB:TP正值全盛時期 簽5000/4yr 馬刺隊TD不見得會手軟 03/10 00:53
jnov:簽多少都無所謂 我只想再看他多打幾年球 03/10 01:37
chasel99:OK,也要想到幾年前他無私的自願降低薪水讓球隊簽TP,Manu~ 03/10 01:50
lwjno1:他這次沒看到誰值得他降薪XD 03/10 01:58
waterfall:老馬刺迷應該知道當初怎麼跟大羅續最後一約,如果比這個 03/10 02:10
waterfall:低,我覺得是在汙辱TD,更何況,現在是為了什麼要跟TD殺 03/10 02:11
waterfall:價,為了簽DH嗎?還是有什麼馬刺的球員要續約了? 03/10 02:12
waterfall:用高價搶大牌,人家也不會來馬刺,更何況你怎麼對一個球 03/10 02:12
waterfall:精神跟實質上都是領袖的球員,其他想來的球員也都在看 03/10 02:13
waterfall:為了一個只會站三分線的球員,馬刺居然願意繳豪華稅 03/10 02:14
waterfall:四個總冠軍拿去賣其他的大城市球隊,看他們願花多少錢買 03/10 02:15
waterfall:manu常常也在受傷,尤其是在季後賽,而馬刺也沒有虧待他 03/10 02:15
waterfall:現在TD還在就在打四小戰術了,放掉TD,馬刺是要打啥小? 03/10 02:16
alex40214:想問大羅最後一約的情況是怎樣? 03/10 02:27
AquariusTACO:11M OK~~~ TD嘛... 多打幾年阿!!!!就有機會去SA看~~ 03/10 08:35
zenithal:大羅最後一約雖然勞資雙方有些爭執 但最後還是給足大羅面 03/10 08:52
zenithal:子了 03/10 08:52
zenithal:理性下每位球員的薪水愈低愈有利運作 但TD在聖城的意義和 03/10 08:54
zenithal:地位… 馬刺給他破千的話也不太令人意外 03/10 08:55
motoman:大羅那個好像是想吃定他然後多的錢給Derek Anderson 03/10 09:56
motoman:(用500M/yr之類的簽大羅) 結果上將老大不爽 最後球隊讓步 03/10 09:57
ponkd:500M超多的耶!比我們現在整隊的薪資還多!XD(無誤) 03/10 11:30
mindd:結果TD用老將條款簽約,NBA版立刻人氣爆點 夠絕了吧 03/10 11:40
mindd:重點還是在能夠補到需要的球員,像是三分雨不下的時候 03/10 11:48
motoman:XDDDD 歹謝 數學不好 (還是英文不好XD) 03/10 11:59
Willyho:原文應該是說球隊本來想砍大羅80%薪水吧? 新約打兩折 03/10 13:03
Willyho:還是我理解錯誤了? 03/10 13:04
是欸感謝!! 看到80Percent直覺想到打八折 沒想到是(跟舊約比)打兩折...
mabuary:很合理阿 TD退化是退化 但該威時還是很威 只是教練重養生 03/10 20:08
mabuary:所以有些數據就季賽下修。如果1年簽11M ok,2-3年看能否簽 03/10 20:09
mabuary:到總約24-27M我覺得都算雙贏的局面。 03/10 20:09
※ 編輯: alex40214 來自: 124.8.73.143 (03/10 22:28)
ChangJimmy:但我覺得8M左右比較好 而且TD應該也希望球隊能補強 03/12 20:36
sneak: 他是TD 就算簽貴了也 https://daxiv.com 12/12 20:49