[情報] You can do better(5) Gary Neal

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You Can Do Better, Gary Neal

By J. Gomez (Edg5) on Sep 26, 4:29p

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This latest installment of the You Can Do Better series would be more
accurately titled "Can you do better, Gary Neal?"

YO!大家好! 我們來看看最新一集的”You can do better”這次要討論的是Neal耶!
但標題改成” Can you do better, Gary Neal?”是不是更貼切呢?

Gary Neal is a shooting guard or at least a bad combo guard. It took me a
while to accept it, but now I do. He can't guard point guards and he can't
fulfill simple point guard duties like bringing the ball up court timely and
creating for others consistently. Worst yet, Neal simply can't defend point
guards effectively, which limits the team's versatility and his usefulness to
the Spurs. With Patrick Mills and Tony Parker at PG and Danny Green and Manu
Ginobili at SG, minutes will be scarce for Neal, and I haven't even mentioned
Nando De Colo yet.

Neal是個得分後衛，或是一個差勁的雙能衛。這原先讓我不太能接受，但現在我確定了。
他不能勝任控球後衛的工作，像是及時運球過半場和持續製造隊友機會。最糟的是，Neal
不能有效的防守對方的控球後衛，這都大大傷害了馬刺。下個球季控球後衛有Parker和
Mills擔綱，得分後衛有Manu和Green，Neal還有上場時間嗎? 喔! 我還沒提到De Colo耶!


Now that I've come to terms with my mistake about what Neal was, I want to
determine what he actually is and how that can be improved upon to better
help the team. But it's not easy.

現在我想證明我是錯的，Neal其實是可以幫助球隊的。但我發現這很難….

Let's get the bad stuff out of the way first: Neal is a bad creator and a
worse defender. He assists at a below average clip for a point guard (and
even a shooting guard) and the team's defense is markedly better, to the tune
of 6 point less per 100 possessions, when he sits. A possible way to solve
those problems could be to simply play Neal at shooting guard, where there
fewer elite players than at point and where his lack of lateral quickness
isn't as damaging. However, the problem is that Neal plays a lot better at
point guard.

我們先把不好的挑出來:Neal是個不好的創造機會者和防守者，他的助攻數遠低於聯盟的
控球後衛(甚至得分後衛)，而且他不在場上時，對手平均每100次進攻的得分整整少了6分
。
唯一可以解答這些的就是:  讓Neal打得分後衛就好，因為優秀的控球後衛太多了，他的
橫向移動速度完全跟不上。
然而，最大的問題在於Neal大多數時間是打控球後衛。

Opponent PGs had a 21.3 PER when Neal was at point, but he had an above
average 17.3 PER. At SG, Neal had a way below average 10.3 PER, while
allowing a 10.7 PER. Basically Neal is better at PG, but the good he does is
negated by the production he allows. At SG, Neal is pretty bad, but other
shooting guards simply don't take advantage of him. This puts Pop in a very
strange position: play him where he produces or hide him where he doesn't
damage the team. The most used lineup including Neal has him at SG with
Parker, and the second most used has him at PG with Manu. Both of these
lineups have positive +/- numbers. That means Neal does well when he isn't
the primary creator. Other lineups with him as the creator don't work nearly
as well.

和Neal對位的控球後衛有21.3的效率值，Neal自己則仍有高於平均的17.3。如果是打得分
後衛時，只有10.3，對手是10.7。基本上，Neal打控衛時表現比較好，但是對手的表現更
好；他打得分後衛時表現的不好，但對手也會表現得不怎麼好。這使得POPO把他放在很奇
怪的定位: 最常見的是跟Parker搭配時打SG，再來是跟Manu搭配時打PG，在這兩個陣容的
+/-值都是正的，這表示Neal不是主攻時他可以表現很好，在其他的陣容時就不是這樣了
。

So we have a guy that does better when he is a shooter next to a good
creator, but other players consistently out produce him when he is on the
floor, mostly because the Spurs don't have the right personnel to hide his
poor defense. Then why is Pop playing him? Because he is an elite scorer. Raw
stats don't show it, but Neal is efficient even with a high usage, and his
advanced shooting stats put him in very good company. He is one of eighteen
guards to have played more than 600 minutes last season and have above .500
percentages in both true shooting percentage and effective field goal
percentage, while sporting a usage of above 20%. When we narrow that list to
players that connect on over 40% from deep, Neal becomes one of eight. And he
gets that 40% while only having around half of his 3s assisted; very few
players can do that. I can't overstate how good of an offensive player Neal
is, and on a team like the Spurs that skill will get you minutes.

所以Neal作為一個攻勢發動機身旁的射手時是表現得不錯的，但其他隊友得持續彌補他糟
糕的防守。那為什麼POPO會一直用他呢? 因為Neal是個優秀的得分手。 從粗淺的統計數
據很難看出來，但Neal的得分能力是非常有效率的。他是聯盟中上季打了600分鐘以上且
真實投籃命中率和有效投籃命中率都超過五成的18位球員之一，當我們將目標縮小到三分
投籃比例大於40%的球員，只有8位球員和Neal有一樣的數據，他的三分球甚至僅有40%是
隊友助攻出現的機會，幾乎沒有別的球員可以做到這樣，我並沒有太誇大他的好，他的這
個能力足以使他在馬刺隊獲得上場時間。

So how can the Spurs use Neal in a way that highlights his gifts and hides
his flaws? That is a very, very tough question and one I'm not sure how to
answer. Heck, I think even Gregg Popovich is struggling with that one. I came
up with two scenarios in which using Neal would be beneficial for the Spurs,
each with some flaws:

所以馬刺該怎麼使用Neal才可以發揚他的優點，隱藏他的弱點呢? 這是個很難回答的問題
，我想POPO自己都不知道怎麼回答，我有想到兩個使用Neal的好方法，但仍然有缺點就是
了:

Play him with the best defensive units
This is a pretty obvious possible solution: hide the bad defensive player
with good defenders. The problem is, the Spurs' good defenders can't create
for themselves. Lineups that featured Neal-Green-Leonard were not good
overall. Of course, Matt Bonner and Tiago Splitter were also featured on
those lineups. The answer might be playing him with Tim Duncan and Boris
Diaw. Those seem to be the best defending bigs the Spurs have, and alongside
Jackson or Leonard, could help hide Neal's shortcomings. Unfortunately, in
order to maximize Neal's time featuring the Spurs best defenders and either
Parker or Ginobili, he would have to start over Green or come off the bench
as the first guard, which is Manu Ginobili's gig.

1.把他放在防守最好的陣容中:
這蠻容易做到的，只是馬刺陣中好的防守者沒辦法自行發動戰術。用Neal-Green-Leonard
的鋒線明顯不是好陣容，而且Bonner和Tiago防守也不夠好，如此一來大個子就只能搭配
Duncan和Diaw了，然後小前鋒擺S-Jax或Kawhi來彌補Neal的防守。但不幸的是，如果要發
揮Neal的最大值，那他最好是擔任第六人，也就是Green的替補，但那是Ginobili的位置
。

Neal becomes a good system defender
Neal won't likely become a good individual defender. He's not strong and big
enough to really bother shooting guards and not quick or long enough to
defend point guards. He doesn't have the best defensive instinct either and,
as his very low steal rate shows, can't provide disruptive help defense to
make up for it. What Neal can improve is his team defense to the point where
his system savvy keeps him on the floor. He needs to be on point in his
rotations, help better on double teams and close out in time. No mistakes, no
possessions off. Becoming the type of veteran that plays smart system defense
would make Neal a great weapon off the bench. It worked for guys like Jason
Terry and Jamal Crawford; it can work for Neal. As much as that would be
great, I see it as a long shot. The Spurs could try to adjust their defensive
strategy to resemble that of the Celtics or Bulls and overload the strong
side to prevent penetration and deter P&Rs, which is a change that would
benefit someone like Neal, but it's doubtful they do so. Which brings me to...

2.訓練Neal成為一個好的團隊防守者:
Neal不太可能成為好的一對一防守者，他的對抗性和身材都不足以干擾對手的得分後衛，
速度也跟不上對手的控球後衛。他的防守直覺很差，因此抄截成功率低，這樣無法製造時
間讓隊友來協防。Neal能改進的只有團隊防守了，他必須防守到位才能有助於即時進行包
夾，不容許有任何錯誤。他可以向J.Terry、J.Crowford學習成為一個會打聰明團隊防守
的板凳殺手，但這應該有很長的路要走。馬刺也可以向賽爾提克、公牛隊學習加強強邊防
守以阻止對手切入和擋拆，這對Neal來說應該是有幫助的，但也只是應該…

Don't play Neal
If he doesn't become defensively-enlightened over the off-season, the only
way to limit Neal's negative impact on the team would be to severely reduce
his playing time, making him a situational player. His stellar scoring
abilities are negated by his impact on team defense and rebounding, which
means that regardless of how good an offensive player Neal is (and he is a
really, really good one), he should only see floor time as a spark plug Pop
brings off the bench when the offense stagnates. For the past couple of
seasons, Neal has played right at 21 minutes a game. Getting that number down
to around 15, and only in certain lineups, could make him a net positive or
at least a neutral force for the Spurs. And it's realistic, provided Manu
stays healthy. Since this is the last year of his contract, I doubt Neal
would be thrilled by that little court time, but it'd be worth a shot for the
Spurs, especially with Mills and De Colo waiting in the wings. If those guys
fail to have an impact on defense (which is quite possible), then Neal should
get all of the minutes he's used to, as his ice cold veins are certainly a
plus. But this is a season in which the Spurs should be open to trying new
things. We know how good this team can be with the pieces from last season -
it's time to find out if changing and adjusting can take the team one step
further.

要不然…..乾脆……

不要用Neal了!

如果Neal休賽季期間防守沒有改進的話，那要限制他對球隊造成的損傷就乾脆減少他的上
場時間吧! 他防守方的貢獻實在是太差了，當進攻貧乏時再從板凳上叫他吧! 過去兩季，
Neal平均上場時間為21分鐘，我認為應該減少到15分鐘左右，而且他必須搭配主力陣容。
而下季也是Neal的最後一年合約了，他的上場時間可能不會那麼多，更何況Mills和
DeColo虎視眈眈著。如果上述那兩個人防守也做不好(還蠻有可能的)，那Neal的上場時間
還是會跟前兩季一樣。但這季馬刺應該要嘗試些改變了，我們都知道馬刺上季表現得很棒
，但如果想要走得更遠應該是時候要做調整或改變了。

As you see, I don't know how Neal realistically improves to become a reliable
contributor on both ends of the court next season, as his flaws seem
predicated on physical attributes that he can't change. The only way for him
to overcome these flaws on defense is to completely alter his defensive
acumen and improve his system smarts exponentially. If the Spurs can manage
to insert him in the right lineups, his amazing offensive output would be a
great addition. The way in which Pop handles Neal will be a litmus test of
how the coaching staff feels about the team. If he keeps his role as primary
backup PG and gets his 20 minutes a game with the same teammates as before,
it means Pop feels that the team as constructed last season had what it took
to get the ring; if they experiment with rotations or reduce his role to try
something new, that could be a very clear indication that they think some
changes are necessary to get back to the top.

看到了吧!我不知道Neal下季可以怎麼在攻守兩端進步，他的缺點看起來是沒辦法改的，
除非他能大幅改善他的防守敏銳度和智慧。如果馬刺能找到它適合的陣容，是可以發揮他
的得分能力。接下來就看POPO怎麼想了，如果我們下季還是看到Neal擔綱頭號替補PG上場
20分鐘，跟上季一模一樣的腳色，那表示POPO認為不用做什麼改變就可以衝擊總冠軍；如
果我們發現Neal的上場時間減少了，那表示制服組認為做些改變是必要的了。


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推 jan58912:未看先推!!我期待新的一集好久了~謝謝辛苦翻譯的大大
→ ParkerWind:謝謝支持XD 下周可能要留守不能翻了QQ
推 spurs2120:乾脆不要用Neal了 XD
→ jan58912:我印象很深的是某一場對上快艇的比賽，在最後讀秒階段
→ jan58912:Neal接到Paul的失誤傳球，在落後的情況下投三分球，把比
→ jan58912:賽扳平，還記得他出手時我還以為他腦衝，而罵了一聲XXXX
→ jan58912:沒想到球進了，當下整個大傻眼!!
附上影片連結 相信刺迷一定都記得XD  http://youtu.be/rZNKqA1DwQY

Neal的投籃手感真的很好 馬刺遇到貧攻時把他放上來就對了 他就是準 心臟也夠大顆
但如同文章說的 他糟糕的防守讓他像個兩面刃 如果說最好的用法是需要他時再讓他上
那他應該會變成下一個Mason 不給他穩定的上場時間 又要隨插隨用 這對一個球員來說
是很不被尊重的 最後被玩壞也不意外吧
※ 編輯: ParkerWind      來自: 111.253.237.203      (09/30 09:11)
推 a88019:我也記得 那天早上CP3迷室友大罵一聲O哩娘XDD
推 demongreg:nice assistfor cp3!
推 jan58912:那是班馬這一生的光榮時刻之一啊!拯救了無數球迷的早晨XD
→ spurs2120:光榮時刻怎麼可以忘了對灰熊的G5 XD
推 jan58912:班馬的綽號真的太適合Neal了，刺迷對他真的又愛又恨XD
推 cominlin:那球我一直到現在才看懂CP3會失誤的原因 之前一頭霧水= =
→ cominlin:傳邊線球的太早傳了 害CP3還沒過半場就拿到球了
推 kiriw23:「那表示POPO認為不用做甚麼就可以衝擊總冠軍」..........
推 miss500:推
推 ponkd:我也記得對快艇的那一場，但那一球前，NEAL很黑...
推 JoshSmith:那球投的沒問題吧  防守者一點貼上的意思都沒有 XD
推 victor16:每次Neal投籃的時候我都很慌，結果都投進。
推 Cczr:我反而他投籃蠻相信他的耶 不相信的是他的出手時機
推 AquariusTACO:推!!!
推 mindd:斑馬是準的阿  只不過自己運球切入時我要先hold住螢幕