[新聞] pronax談論作弊指控與DreamHack棄賽原因

[AsakuRacing (艾薩克)]

http://www.hltv.org/news/13752-pronax-was-a-lose-lose-situation

In a lengthy post on his Facebook fan page, Markus "pronax" Wallsten spoke
candidly about the recent so-called community "witch-hunt" in the wake of
recent VAC bans of high-profile players, particularly the accusations
levelled against members of his own team:
在他的FB專頁發了不小的篇幅談論最近社群在VAC ban了幾位選手後的獵巫行為
，特別是針對隊伍成員的指控

"Despite what a part of the community(including few pro-players) might
think.. We are trying to play a fair game, for me competeing means that I try
my absolute best, to do better then my opponent, but also following the rules
of the tournament," he wrote
無論部分的社群鄉民(包括幾位選手)怎麼想，我們努力進行一場公平的比賽
對我而言競技就是在比賽規則下，盡我所能，做的比對手好

"We may not communicate as much as other players on social medias, but we are
a very hard working team that practice a LOT. And going to Dreamhack was not
only about competing and doing our best anymore, we also wanted to squash the
cheating accusations, since Dreamhack admins said that they would host the
most secure tournament so far in cs:go.
我們或許與其他選手相比在媒體溝通活躍程度沒那麼多，
但我們是很用功且練習量很大的隊伍，參加DH不只是為了競爭，我們想碾碎所有作弊指控
因為DH的ADM說他們會主辦一場CS:GO至今最嚴密的比賽

The witch-hunt:
But after a few players and some "respectable" profiles joined the witch-hunt
as well, trying to get dreamhack/valve to disqualify us from the tournament
before it even had started, the same tournament that is supposed to be so
secure that we would not be able to cheat... And people want to take away the
only chance we have to prove ourselves?
但一些選手與不少的檔案加入指控，希望DH或是Valve取消FNC的參賽資格後
DH的嚴格程度讓選手無法作弊，難道非要拿走我們證明自己的機會嗎

I think its here we really started to feel insane amount of pressure going in
to the Dreamhack tournament.
這使我們在賽前就感到極大的壓力

However, i do think we showed that we are one of the best teams, even if it
was shaky here and there we still delivered good games, and I definitely
think flusha proved himself, he is the second best rated player in the
tournament followed by: pasha, olofm and JW. And there is clips from
dreamhack where he does the exact same things that made some people accuse
him of using "aimlock." And i actually think that speaks for he's innocent."
然而，我想我們證明我們是最好的隊伍之一，即使有些動搖，但我們打出幾場好比賽
我確信flusha證明了他自己，他是數據上第二好的選手，接著是pasha,olofm,JW
且幾段源自DH關於他的剪輯讓有些人指控他有aimlock，我想這足以說明他的確是無辜的
(可能是因為他相信DH的比賽是不可能讓選手作弊的)

Wallsten also addressed his team's decision to forfeit their rematch with
LDLC, and their use of the now-infamous boost on de_overpass which preceded
it:
(談棄賽)
"As probably everyone know we used a very special boost in the game against
LDLC on the third and deciding map: Overpass. We did not think there would be
anything wrong with using this boost. I had seen LDLC using a similar boost
against NiP in the groupstage, and thought it was fun that they also had
found something that no other team knew about. Dont get me wrong, I
understand that the boost we used was A LOT better then the boost LDLC used.
But the boost is not as game-breaking as the Dreamhack "experts" said. And we
really thought that the boost was legit to use according to the official
rules. The only reason the boost seemed so game-breaking was because the team
we played against took to long to figure out where Olof was standing. If they
had figured it out in time(i think they figured it out at 13-13), they could
have bought an scout/awp and killed Olof from outside T-spawn without Olof
even being able to see the guy who kills him.

我不覺得我們在Overpass的疊人有任何錯
LDLC在小組賽打NiP時也有在相同位置疊人 (http://puu.sh/d9wbR/1e1515a027.jpg)
別說我錯，我了解我們疊的方式比LDLC高明很多 (http://i.imgur.com/AFVdPGT.jpg)
(.......LDLC那個到底能看到甚麼?)

但打破比賽平衡的程度沒這些DH"專家"說得如此巨大(這句在文章底下引發鄉民炮轟)
我們認為根據比賽規則我們的作為是合法的
讓這小伎倆影響比賽如此巨大的唯一理由是LDLC花太多時間才了解Olaf站的位置
如果他們能及時發現，他們可以架狙在Olof看到他們前就把他射殺

I just cant belive that if other teams had found this boost before the
tournament, that they would not have used it if they had not known about the
"transparency." bug.. but thats only speculations of course.
And I cant help to think that if a team like NiP was to use this boost that
they would have endured the same reactions as we did. They would get praised.
Again, thats only speculation.
我不相信其他隊伍在賽前發現這個伎倆且不知道有圖層bug 他們會不用
(我犯了全天下隊伍都會犯的錯)，當然這只是我的猜想
我不相信如果NiP用了同樣的技巧，他們承受的反應會跟我們一樣
他們會被讚美，這也只是我合理的懷疑

Please, understand that we had no intention in mocking the rules of dreamhack
with the boost, or doing anything to harm the tournament in any way, we went
there with the mindset to WIN, and to give our fans a good show, and to once
again show that we are one of the best teams.
請相信我們沒有嘲諷DH規則的意圖或是任何想傷害賽事的行為
我們來這裡只是想贏，帶給粉絲好的比賽，再次證明我們是最好的隊伍

So why did we forfeit against LDLC?
Because even if atleast I thought that Dreamhack took the right decision in
restarting the map from 0-0, we had nothing to win by playing that match. It
was a loose/loose situation for us, no mather what we did. And some of the
players had no motivation left to play in the tournament considering
everything that had happened. So we decided as a team to give LDLC the
victory, wish them luck and move on.
所以為何我們棄賽呢?
因為即使DH判定讓第三章地圖重來，我們未得利
這對我們而言還是雙輸的局面(當然，粉絲砲火如此猛烈)
我們有些選手也喪失了繼續比賽的動力
所以決定棄賽讓LDLC晉級

Some last words:
I would like to give a BIG thanks to Fnatic and our sponsors, who have shown
that they support us no mather what, and that they do everything they can for
us. I am truly happy to be able to work with all of you!
我在這裡對於FNATIC俱樂部以及我們的贊助商給予的支持表示大大的感謝，
與您們共事很快樂

I would also like to thank all of you that have been supportive to us during
these hard times. I will forever be grateful. And i hope that all of you will
continue to support us in the future, and i hope that we can come back
stronger in 2015."
謝謝這段期間支持我們的人，我永遠感謝，也希望你們能繼續支持我們
我們會在2015做得更好

文章結尾把dendi在Dota2 Ti3的溫泉勾拉來救援，
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB0tUrfDz6A
game breaking bug, still the best dota2 game i have ever seen and to see it
at International. Respect @natusvincere

溫泉勾成功的條件嚴苛，失敗的風險高，好像不能類比...

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坦白說，我覺得pronax這篇不會讓FNC白到哪去 XD
而小組賽的數據拿來證明flusha也不夠有利
因為C9跟Bravado實在打得太菜了...

FNC大概要黑到2016去了

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推 kuojames2580: LDLC就算發現那個位置  也來不及架狙吧 對面都先架
→ kuojames2580: 好了
推 wyiwyi: 那點位+連狙  想死的心都有了....
推 KaiJii: 恥力驚人
推 sarraya: 樹不要皮必死無疑，人不要臉天下無敵!
推 Terran: 白目到極點 expert用上quotes會讓人覺得你用air quotes
推 zero1017: 今天天氣很好 都是thry的錯
推 Maximun:  LOL
推 winklly: 忘記職業運動吃fans了嗎  天才啊...
推 ievolfun: flusha HLTV有貼很多指控  有些真的很像VACtion...
推 ievolfun: 而flusha解釋因為他滑鼠很輕 感覺不是啥有力反駁
推 Korsechi: 都有人認為flusha在DHW也有用 所以等這幾個月的發展吧
推 ef9527: CS:GO至今最嚴密的比賽？這嚴密的標準真高。
推 ohmygodha: 那兩個點距離很近 可是天差地遠...而且還是bug!!!
→ ohmygodha: 退賽分明就是自知理虧 如果沒錯 誰會退賽啊?
推 ohmygodha: 上次有人貼連結阿 flusha準星往左滑了不小一段
→ ohmygodha: 結果現場他的手幾乎沒動.....
→ ohmygodha: 手腕也沒動
推 ohmygodha: http://ppt.cc/7CDr 仔細又看了一次 是把滑鼠放下的動
→ ohmygodha: 作... 可是應該不至於是滑鼠移動 我覺得很可疑
推 newbout: shame
推 ievolfun: 除了滑鼠移動 還有其他的
→ hazel0093: 斬業非斬人 用掛非開掛
→ qmaper: 他還忍不住開槍 XD 作弊太明顯了
推 orz7887245: 講你們多屁話，反正FNC被黑定了
→ orz7887245:  那麼
推 Xargon: 我覺得flusha就是有用,但最可恥的是左右的隊員就這樣允許
→ Xargon: 他用，除非他們是新手才看不出來隔壁的有在用這程式
推 Jahdd: flusha不是胖子嗎？影片裡光頭不是他吧，而且看沒解說的dem
→ Jahdd: o可以聽到左邊CT連狙開鏡的聲音 所以他緊張下轉身開槍也還
→ Jahdd: 算正常吧
→ juiclykiller: 有人蠢到打現場賽開aimbot讓攝影機錄?
推 neverleft: 有阿flusha
推 ohmygodha: 幹原來是胖子喔 我搞錯了抱歉 囧
推 ohmygodha: 看那個連續動作的節奏 光看畫面 比較像是兩段式左移
→ ohmygodha: 我個人認為如果是生理反應 應該是會大動作直接到更左
→ ohmygodha: 邊的地方  但也可能是我假設過於完美
→ ohmygodha: 反正如果是真的 他隊友也該被唾棄+1
→ ohmygodha: 除非被蒙在鼓裡