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[wizardfizban (瘋法師)]

16 Studios Removing Alleged Spyware From PC Games After Fan Outcry
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In Mario Kart, red shells target your nearest rival and ruthlessly stop them
in their tracks. Marketing company Red Shell, meanwhile, helps video game
companies more accurately target you. This fact has not sat well with some
players who have recently discovered the software in a veritable kartload of
Steam games.

According to Red Shell’s website, their software is meant to help game
companies “measure the effectiveness of their marketing campaigns” by “
tying information from marketing campaigns to in-game play.” Basically, it’
s installed alongside games and tracks information about your devices
(operating system, browser version number, IP address, etc) in order to
ascertain how effective advertisements for that particular game are. The
company swears up and down that it doesn’t collect personal information.

“We don’t collect names, emails, or addresses,” Red Shell says on its
website, noting that games can offer an opt-out to players if developers so
choose. “Our service basically says ‘this computer clicked on a link from
this YouTube video and the same computer played your game.’ We have no
interest in tracking people, just computers for the purposes of attribution.”

The software has been discovered in over 50 games including The Elder Scrolls
Online, Conan Exiles, Hunt: Showdown, and Civilization VI. For the past
couple weeks, a contingent of players have dedicated themselves to weeding it
out, decrying it as “spyware” that many companies failed to disclose.

“Red Shell is a spyware that tracks data of your PC and shares it with 3rd
parties,” Redditor Alexspeed75 wrote last week in a thread that’s became
something of a rallying place for aggrieved players. “On their website they
formulate it all in very harmless language, but the fact is that this is
software from someone I don’t trust and whom I never invited, which is
looking at my data and running on my PC against my will. This should have no
place in a full price PC game, and in no games if it were up to me.”

Since then, players of the aforementioned games and many more have started
irate threads in Steam forums and subreddits. In many cases, they’ve gotten
developers to pledge to remove Red Shell.

“We integrated Red Shell with the goal to track the efficiency of our
marketing campaigns (how many players clicked on our advertisements on social
media platforms and then purchased the game afterwards). There was never any
intention to sell data to third parties,” said the developers of multiplayer
horror game Dead By Daylight, expressing a sentiment similar to many other
developers who’ve removed Red Shell from their games. “That being said, we
have seen the player frustrations expressed about the use of this technology.
Our passionate and dedicated fans are the reason why Dead by Daylight is a
success, especially the ones who have been with us from the beginning. We
have removed Red Shell from Dead by Daylight in the 2.0.0 update.”

As of now, 16 games have either removed Red Shell or have pledged to do so in
the near future, including The Elder Scrolls Online, Conan Exiles, Hunt:
Showdown, Battlerite, Secret World Legends, Total War, and Warhammer:
Vermintide.

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Valve’s PC gaming service.

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簡單來說，有間營銷公司 Red Shell 開發的軟體功能是：借由資訊化營銷活動對玩遊戲
的影響來幫助遊戲公司量化其營銷活動的有效性。

因此，他會包裝在遊戲程式內一起裝進玩家電腦中，用以追蹤玩家的電子設備資訊，像是
操作系統、瀏覽器版本、IP......等，而該公司也宣誓絕不會收集玩家個人資訊。

當然玩家才不相信.....

國外玩家在reddit上的主要討論串 https://www.reddit.com/user/Alexspeed75

而事實上己經有超過50套遊戲被發現裝有此軟體，包含上古卷軸 online、流亡者科南、
惡靈獵殺：緊要關頭、文明帝國6......。

在玩家的憤怒之下，己經有16個遊戲工作室承諾己經或不久之後移除這個軟體。包含了
上古卷軸 online、流亡者科南、惡靈獵殺：緊要關頭、戰爭儀式、神秘世界傳奇、全軍
破敵、戰鎚：末世鼠疫......等。

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「把已經倒下的人們的願望，還有未來的人們的希望，把這二種心情全都織入雙重螺旋
        之中，挖出通往明天的道路。那就是天元突破，那就是Gurren-Lagann，
                  我的鑽頭．．．．是用來開天闢地的鑽頭啊！！」
                      ── 西蒙　《天元突破　紅蓮之眼》

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※ 編輯: wizardfizban (1.170.133.188), 06/20/2018 06:23:51
推 w520670: 文明6跟全軍QQ 我會不會哪一突然被FBI帶走...
→ TotalBiscuit: 會
推 WTF55665566: 感覺還不止這些遊戲吧
推 tzouandy2818: 「超過50款被發現」不就是不只的意思嗎
→ x94fujo6: 各種軟體內埋的也不少 用hosts檔掉各種廣告/資料收集
→ x94fujo6: 之後 某知名圖片管理軟體變成每次開個圖要15秒以上...
→ x94fujo6: 才發現這軟體在每次開啟時都會回傳資料 廠廠
推 WTF55665566: 感覺又是一個震撼業界的大醜聞
→ efreet: 業界根本習以為常了吧，未經使用者同意或未告知就伴隨著主
→ efreet: 要軟體裝進你電腦的東西可不少
→ WTF55665566: 對 所以真要檢討起來肯定是地動山搖
推 pponywong: 搞不好EULA有寫 只是太冗長沒人看而已
→ pponywong: EULA這東西也值得探討 南方公園也有出一集酸這個
推 ZMTL: 說真的，應用程式記錄使用者在自己應用程式中的行為數據分析
→ ZMTL: 我覺得無可厚非，但還記錄其他應用、瀏覽器的資料...
推 gmkuo: 哇! Shadowverse是闇影詩章?
推 bbkingck: 譯文上沒看到,真的有追到該遊戲外的使用者操作紀錄嗎?
推 ATand: 覺得EULA應該要把一些重要的獨立一個頁面出來給使用者確認
→ efreet: 一般EULA都會寫說會搜集資料，但不會直接寫明是用那個軟體
→ efreet: ，可以去翻2K或肥鯊的版本
推 seaEPC: @bbkingck,原文第3段寫Red shell說:Our service basically
→ seaEPC: says'this computer clicked on a link from this YouTube
→ seaEPC: video and the same computer played your game.'
推 sillymon: BZ：
推 js0431: 幹上古卷軸online
推 gn01172011: 這個時代怎麼可能保護得了自己的個資 防不勝防
推 miyaiijima: 樓下看謎片網站都被發現了
推 applewarm: 還好有人挖出來，要不然廠家都嘛裝死  消費者在這方面
→ applewarm: 太弱勢
推 cat05joy: 這年代想完全不回傳資料 準備一台沒網路的電腦吧
推 iComeInPeace: 幹 上古OL中招
推 Jiajun0724: 上古OL 完蛋了
推 LayerZ: 這東西早就是大家都有裝我沒裝就輸了
推 gn00386614: 1F被帶走前先流放資源阿!
推 Kenqr: 就是有些人把盜個資當成理所當然 這些廠商才敢這麼囂張
推 tonyian: 未來 steam接軌中國的話，這些都直接送給中國嘍，比給廠
→ tonyian: 商還慘
推 john50710: 開告了啊
推 robertcamel: 還沒來得及說 "未看先猜有人會出來說別人都同意盜個
→ robertcamel: 資我不簽就輸了" 就有人出來護航了XD
→ chunyulai: EULA這種東西就是淪為廠商的免責聲明啊 隨便他們寫
推 wyiwyi: 遊戲刪除後這間諜還會在嗎0.0
→ ailio: 其實Steam自己也會收集，只是會問一下是否提供，但私底下..
→ ailio: 誰知道有沒有偷偷收集，往往很多公布的統計數據用戶數
→ ailio: 都會懷疑到底是哪來的
推 cc9i: 有說明跟沒說明差很多耶
推 dnek: 媽的也太多了吧
推 millylu0711: 說真的，私底下有沒有偷收集你也不知道，聲明好看用
→ millylu0711: 要完全避免根本不可能，除非你不用網路
推 yadohime: 我好像安裝遊戲的時候有按同意.....
推 Fairytale929: 歐洲最近更新了CDPR 如果被爆出來應該會面臨巨額罰
→ Fairytale929: 款 是不是因為這樣才移除的
→ Segal: CDPR？GDPR？ 利維亞的傑洛特表示問號