作者MRZ (臺大歷史系教授......Orz)
看板Warfare
標題Re: [問題] 請問對於現代戰中 "孫子兵法"有用嗎??
時間Fri May 11 03:53:00 2007
※ 引述《phoebeco (bubububu)》之銘言:
: Dubs, Homer H. A Roman City in Ancient China.
: An Ancient Military Contact Between Romans and Chinese.
Dubs was dead on 1969 and he pointed the Roman "testudo (turtle)
formation" was using in a siege of the Sino-Huns War. However, the
testudo formation is an offensive tactic during the siege and his
resource mentioned as defensive tactic. Military historian such as
Samuel Lieberman criticized it that he cannot believe people who
were practice Roman tactics would do this kind of action. By the
way, Dubs' historiography is trying to prove the Ancient Chinese
institution is similar and influenced by Greeco-Roman civilization
and Christianity.
His book and article is fun to read but it is not fine to trust.
: Ann Arbor The Roman Army in the East.
Ann Arbor is a name of city where the University of Michigan is set.
The book is "edited" by David Kennedy and there is an article that
is talking about the Battle of Carhae which has a note that points
out one of possibilities of those lost Roman went to China. However,
it is only a note from an short article in a collective essay book.
It is obviously not a good example of "evidence" that some western
historians believe that hypothesis.
: Lattimore, Owen. Review: A Roman City in Ancient China.
Owen Lattimore is only writting his review about Dubs' book. Although
he was a sinnologist, his expertise was not ancient Chinese history
and he was a expert of Central Asian history during the Soviet period.
Lattimore had close friendship in both Chiang Kai-shek and Chou En-lai
and he was their political adviser in the same time, so he was a
political activist rather than a historian. In conclusion, I think
I would not like to use his idea to discuss about ancient Chinese
history.
: Ferguson, John. China and Rome.
It is only a short essay of 21 pages in the American Journal of
Philology and he only took several notes from the Dubs' book "A Roman
City in Ancient China" but he did not say that he believes Dubs'
argument.
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推 phoebeco:good job.不過這幾篇只是我自己留有的,事實上,光review 05/11 04:28
→ phoebeco:我就看到超過3篇,所以不能確定。你是否可以找到西方學者 05/11 04:29
→ phoebeco:反駁這種說法的。我看的太少 05/11 04:30
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