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偶然發現這一天的沒翻譯到 就試著翻翻看 發現相關背景知識和中文能力不太夠 而且本日的SerB居然不troll了 一整個難翻譯 ====================以下為不太精確的翻譯============================== - switching WoT to different engine is not planned 沒計畫改變WOT的遊戲引擎(譯注:BigWorld) - currently RU servers are suffering from significantly increased waiting times, it is being investigated (SS: never noticed such a thing on EU) 目前俄服為激增的等候時間所苦,這將會調查(SS:在EU無感) - regarding the RU251, WG is waiting for exact measures and photos 關於RU251(譯注:德8階輕坦),WG正在等候精確的數據及照片 - some player suggested that to reduce teamkilling, the game could have a mechanism, that would block the shots once an ally is in your sights. This won ’t however be implemented, because it would lead to strange situations (SS: I can imagine trolls abusing this) 有些玩家建議為了減少TK,當有隊友在火線中有遊戲機制可以擋掉一次炮彈,不過這不會 實作,因為會造成奇怪的狀況(SS:我可以想像白目怎麼濫用這機制) - the exact criteria for a player to turn blue during teamkilling won’t be disclosed TK到變成藍名的基準不會公開 - Q: “When the tank gets detracked and starts burning, why doesn’t the fire message sound first? It’s more important than lost tracks” A: “Because the order of damage is usually different: first the engine and fuel tanks get damaged and the fire starts only after that. And we won’t delay all the messages in order to implement “is there fire?” checks.” Q:"當坦克被斷履帶並起火時,為什麼著火語音不優先出來?這比履帶斷了更重要" A:" 因為傷害的次序不同:引擎和油箱先受損,之後才著火。我們不會為了檢查是否著火而延 遲所有的語音" - Q: “How much longer will the testing of clan name change take?” A: “As long as necessery” Q:"公會改名測試還要等多久?" A:"有必要的話" (我沒加公會,所以不懂也不會翻) - according to SerB, most players play on tiers 5-6. SerB also states the situation is just fine for WG, there is no need to spread players evenly across all tiers 根據SerB,大多數玩家玩5~6階坦。SerB也說這情況對WG剛剛好,沒有必要平均分散玩家 到不同階 - British LL branch (with Firefly and Sentinel) will most likely lead into current British top tanks (SS: as in, no new LL top tanks) 英國租借線(螢火蟲和Sentinel)很可能將導向至現有的頂級坦(SS:也就是沒租借線頂級坦 ) - according to SerB, Browning M2 .50cal HMG is too weak for regular vehicles 根據SerB,白朗寧 M2 .50cal 重機槍對一般載具太弱了 - unlockable hulls and remodelling of tanks will happen step by step, not all at once. 車體解鎖和模型重製會逐步進行,而非全部一次搞定 - during the public testing only tanks that are normally available via ingame shop will continue to be possible to test, SerB states the public test server ’s main idea is not to allow players to test premium tanks, that is just one of the less important possibilities 在公開測試中,一般只有能在遊戲內買的坦克才可以測試,SerB表示測試伺服器主要目的 不是為了讓玩家測試金幣坦,那只是較不重要的一個可能性 - Q: “Which tank has the most polygons on it?” A: “Some American arty IIRC ” Q:"哪一台坦克有最多的多邊形貼圖?" A:"就印象中是某些美國自走砲" - the model that was most troublesome to make was the Object 704 – WG had to go to Kubinka to re-measure it 做起來最麻煩的模型是Object 704 WG會去庫賓卡戰車博物館重測 - SerB states that the idea to implement XVM/noobmeter-like function into the game has been around since beta, but for now it won’t be done SerB表示從beta就打算引進像XVM/noobmeter類型的功能,但目前不會做 - Q: “Is it possible to disclose what is Chris Taylor’s studio working on?” A: “Very nice games” "Q:是否能公開Chris Taylor的工作室在做什麼遊戲?" "A:唔喔 好遊戲" (想當初末日危城系列被別人接手後就爛掉了...) - switching off various chat channels in game (SS: like switch of general chat but leave platoon chat) won’t be implemented (SS: funny, World of Warcraft had that like 6 years ago) 不會引進遊戲內關閉不同聊天頻道的功能(SS:像是關閉公頻保留組隊頻,大約6年前WOW就 有這功能了) - SerB states that the FV4202 will not be changed (SS: in real life it had much inferior armor than it has in game), the only change planned is to introduce its historical gun as stock gun (SS: 20pdr Type B) SerB表示 FV4202 不會被更動(SS:現實中它的裝甲比遊戲內弱很多),引進史實的白板炮 (SS:20磅 Type B)是唯一打算做的改變 - World of Tanks will bring more advanced shaders (SS: 3.0) in the future (SerB: “Start thinking about upgrades”) WOT未來會使用更多先進的shaders(?) (SS: 3.0)(SerB:開始考慮升級它們了) - the ground in the Lakesville western corridor counts as “difficult terrain ”, that’s why the tanks are so sluggish there Lakesville西邊谷地是"惡劣地形",這就是坦克在那這麼遲鈍的原因 - the list of vehicle changes in 0.8.9 is ready 8.9的坦克動刀清單準備好了 - the alternative Soviet tier 9 med (Object 430 prototype) won’t come in 8.9, there isn’t any new info about it to share 蘇俄中坦2線9階(Object 430 prototype)不會在8.9出來,沒有更多相關新訊息 - it seems that the unlocking of new hulls will be tied to the suspension (SS: there won’t be another new “hull module”, new hull will be tied to suspension – this is a pretty retarded idea, I’ll write a post about it) 似乎車體會和履帶一併解鎖(SS:不會有"車體模組",這是個相當愚蠢的主意,我會再另外 PO相關文) - the armor on the model has no real thickness, it is simply a line with an armor value assigned for it – SS: this is important, check this out: 模型上的裝甲實際上沒有厚度,單純是有裝甲數值的面而已(SS:這很重要,詳情請看原文 附圖及說明) - apparently, gun getting “stuck” when for example leaving cover behind a huge stone on Tundra map won’t be fixed 不會修復離開掩體時(例如Tundra的巨石),炮管卡住的狀況 - Löwe won’t be changed/made into a regular vehicle and added into a German heavy line despite the fact it would fit perfectly (SS: sorry, no Krupp line), because “it’s a popular premium vehicle”. SerB later states that such a thing did sort of happen with the Type 59 – WZ-120, but that was a special case, because the Chinese didn’t have enough tanks Löwe不會被改成常規坦克也不會塞入德國重坦線,即使它很適合(SS:很遺憾沒克虜伯線) ,因為"它是熱門金幣坦"。 - SerB confirms that the graphics requirements of WoT will increase (“it won ’t be possible to play on grandma’s calculator”), but he states they will try to save whatever old settings they can SerB證實WOT的顯卡需求將會提高(未來無法再老奶奶的電腦上玩),但他表示會嘗試盡量 保留舊設定 - putting a crew into your tank by one click (just like it is removable by one click now) will be implemented (SS: if you think it exists already, it doesn’t – some mods do that unofficially tho) 將引進一鍵裝組員的功能(就像現在的一鍵移除組員)(SS:如果你以為它已存在了,並沒這 回事,只是有些mod有這功能) (譯注:例如XVM) - the bug where the aiming reticle settings are not saved in replay will be fixed (when it’s done it’s done) 將修復瞄準圈設定沒儲存在戰鬥錄影的bug(WIDID) - regarding the Type 62 returning to its original width: it was the modeller who made a mistake, it didn’t come to be via improper measuring 關於 Type 62 回到原寬度:是模型製作上的錯誤,不是因為測量錯了 - SerB states that the fact World of Tanks is Xbox exclusive has nothing to do with the fact War Thunder and one more Russian tank game will come for Playstation, as the negotiations with Microsoft began two years ago already. SerB also states that for now the game will require the Microsoft Gold Live service account and adds that until Microsoft finds out by themselves that paid accounts are not the way, this won’t likely change SerB表示WOT只限於Xbox與 War Thunder和另一款俄國出在Playstation的坦克遊戲無關 ,2年前就開始和微軟協商了。SerB也說目前遊戲將需要微軟Gold Live service帳號, 除非微軟覺得付費帳號不可行,這將不會改變" - Q: “SerB, since there are more and more competing games for WoT, do you agree that more competition creates more quality?” A: “Considering the fact there are like 100 types of soya sausages and 20 types of rubber bread, I somehow doubt that. Let them come, we’ll see.” Q:"SerB,WOT有更多競爭的遊戲,你同意競爭提升品質嗎?" A:"考慮到世界上有100種 素食香腸(?)和20種像橡膠的麵包(?),我很懷疑有這回事,放馬過來吧,咱們走著瞧" - there will be no roaming to Chinese server, the criteria for roaming have not yet been decided 不會漫遊到CN伺服器,漫遊的基準還沒決定 - SerB likes M40/43 SerB喜歡 M40/M43 - there will be no additional differences between Object 140 and T-62A added, as the vehicles were much alike in real life too Object 140 和 T-62A 不會有更多的不同,這二台在現實中也很像 - the fact that after 8.8 some maps became darker is according to SerB “a normal lighting effect” 根據SerB,部分地圖在8.8變得更暗是"普通的光影效果" - regarding the graphic implementation of equipment, camo net was considered ages ago already, but it is difficult to implement technically. Spall liner will have no graphic effect (it’s inside the vehicle) 關於裝備的視覺效果,偽裝網很早就列入考慮,但技術上難以呈現。防彈內襯不會視覺效 果(因為在坦克內部) - a Russian player was recently visiting Kubinka and noticed that the M46 Patton has no driver periscopes: 有位最近參觀庫賓卡戰車博物館的俄國玩家注意到M46 Patton沒有駕駛潛望鏡(?) 詳情請看原文附圖 SerB answered that this is because the driver actually used disposable (if hit) plastic periscope in combat conditions. SerB回答說因為駕駛在戰時使用的是用過即丟(如果被打到)的塑膠駕駛潛望鏡 ========================================================================== And some answers from Storm (under the model change post I linked earlier today): 一些Storm的回答 (有關SS之前一篇模型變化的文章) - the track links on the new IS-3 model nose actually do correspond to the real track width, despite the fact it doesn’t look that way 在首上的那2片履帶在新IS-3模型符合史實寬度,即使它們不是長這副模樣 - apparently the Panzer V/IV will recieve further rebalance than just the model, if I understand it correctly, it will recieve a depression buff 除了坦克模型,Pz V/IV將會重新平衡,如果我理解正確,它會被buff俯角 (譯注:預購包坦) - IS-3 and Panzer V/IV both will recieve collision model changes, but not by much: V/IV will recieve changes – the hull will belong to Panther D, the turret to Panzer IV Ausf.H (SS: as in – hull will belong to the current ingame Panther, turret will be the same as current ingame top Panzer IV turret) IS-3和Pz V/IV會小改碰撞模型 Pz V/IV的變動:車體是豹式D型,砲塔為四號H型 (SS:也就是車體和遊戲內的豹式一樣,砲塔則是和四號升級砲塔一樣) (底下回應吐槽SS遊戲內的豹式是G型) - IS-3 turrets will recieve changes, especially the top one IS-3砲塔將更動,尤其是升級砲塔 - KV-220 won’t recieve buff (SS: very useful for EU players) KV-220不會被加強(SS:對EU玩家很有用) - the developers actually apparently considered at some point making the turret (welded to the hull in real life) V/IV immovable in game, but they decided to make it rotating because otherwise it would be impossible to balance 開發人員真的考慮過讓Pz V/IV的炮塔固定(現實中焊在車身),但他們決定讓他可以轉, 因為不這樣就難以平衡 - T34 and Lowe will not be buffed T34和Lowe不會被加強 - IS-4 frontal armor will not be corrected to its historical 61 degrees IS-4不會被修成史實的61度(譯注:遊戲內58度) ~the end~ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.160.45.141
hemisofia :這會XVM又變成beta時就遇到要有的功能... 09/20 23:17
ccc73123 :SerB表示 FV4202 不會被更動...看來要被更動了 09/20 23:18
ykes60513 :大多數人都玩5,6階 造成了蘇聯OP的印象 09/20 23:18
ross800127 :玩到七階才知道 IS 還在用 KV-1S 那頂砲 09/20 23:37
didiasdcvb :蘇聯一直很悲劇阿...誰說她威的QAQ 我就是蘇聯阿(哭 09/20 23:47
YukiPhoenix :不久前板上到處都是蘇聯OP的發言阿XD 09/20 23:53
YukiPhoenix :說蘇聯不OP還被貼上共產廚的標籤哩 09/20 23:53
Fewer :T32也是用T29那門啊... 09/20 23:53
p4585424 :別人家的草地比較綠啊 09/20 23:55
qoopichu :有人罵共產廚? 哪篇我想朝聖一下 09/20 23:55
qoopichu :沿用前階頂砲的車每家都有,比這個沒意義 09/20 23:56
Fewer :比悲劇根本輪不到蘇聯 英法表示: 09/20 23:57
damnedfish :只要記得,神車前或後多半有坑車,哪國都一樣 09/20 23:57
ykes60513 :法國至少還有彈匣砲 英國嘛...紅茶?! 09/21 00:00
qoopichu :有Bitch Gun (誤 09/21 00:01
damnedfish :英國有183讓你報復社會 09/21 00:06
udm :有單純獨立的一鍵換上全車組員的MOD嗎?跪求~~~~ 09/21 00:12
udm :車越開越高階,越來越有用金幣車練組員的需求了(+-練 09/21 00:13
kane7410 :擋掉一發隊友砲彈? 真的有我想會看到一堆人開場一砲 09/21 00:36
tonykingtwo :推 09/21 00:40
kill90206 :就XVM阿 09/21 00:40
qazwd :蘇聯本來就op..整條線沒幾台爛車 哪裡悲劇.. 09/21 00:54
qoopichu :A-20:我不是車,我是反坦克導彈! 09/21 00:58
rock0702 :嫌IS爛是因為KV-1S太強 那頂砲在T7才正常 09/21 01:01
donkilu :早就說過了,蘇聯在最多人玩的5,6,7階都比德系強勢 09/21 01:15
donkilu :蘇粉拿高階來護航中階OP,豈不張飛打岳飛 09/21 01:17
kingsmill :IS用122問題不大啊,有機動可以彌補穿深 09/21 01:50
kingsmill :當然T7重坦第一還是要數T29,鐵面無敵 09/21 01:50
colin1120 : 包青天 09/21 02:20
warluck : 殘腳 09/21 03:33
fxp87117 :KV-1S頂砲不好了? 一票T8車還沒那傷害 09/21 03:50
fxp87117 :390是別國重坦T8T9才會接近的傷害耶 09/21 03:53
fxp87117 :給你放在六七階配175pen 有糖吃還嫌不夠甜 09/21 03:54
iamstudent :IS不爛+1 09/21 04:10
colin1120 :IS本來就不爛... 09/21 04:17
bigfish0330 :IS的機動哪裡爛了... 09/21 04:32
sliverstream:連IS都能嫌,蘇粉過太爽? 09/21 06:42
hitlerx :那我也來舉例..GwE100也在用GwTiger那門啊!! (被痛打 09/21 08:12
korsg :蘇聯IS線重坦 5678都很強...最OP的就5 6 8 階 09/21 08:19
korsg :IS表現中等 但是KV-1 KV-1S IS-3 強的不可思議XD 09/21 08:20
abc12812 :IS一般 略遜虎p但贏虎式 09/21 08:26
fakeprobe :玩了英蘇德重坦線,到t7、8蘇OP,t9德XD 09/21 08:39
Devarena :米分糸工 09/21 09:02
zczc :蘇六階122dmg390,德八階虎王頂炮320,用到九階E75換炮 09/21 10:42
zczc :USSR絕對不OP絕對很平衡 09/21 10:46
hsinhanchu :你完全無視火控性能和RoF和準度就是了。 09/21 10:49
zczc :USSR絕對不OP 絕對很平衡 122總是打不到人 09/21 10:54
zczc :IS3炮塔將改變,炮塔設計真的不錯 09/21 11:06
zczc :IS3塔220/220/220重11500,只比KT185/80/80重562kg 09/21 11:10
joe7226107 :看op rating的話蘇在8,9,10除了十階重坦輸,其他 09/21 11:32
joe7226107 :還不是坐二望ㄧ 09/21 11:32
joe7226107 :真的蘇聯過太爽無誤 09/21 11:33
Basilisk0083:樓上那個比較我之前也注意到過,德國的東西都特別重 09/21 12:03
Basilisk0083:然後也沒比較好,不知道為何設定上都要這麼重 09/21 12:03
Basilisk0083:更詭異的是美國鐵頭車,裝甲那麼厚重量卻也差不多 09/21 12:04
Basilisk0083:轉速又比人快,這遊戲除了蘇聯車OP,另外就是美國車 09/21 12:04
troll5566 :因為要平衡德系玩家數量XD 09/21 12:05
Basilisk0083:上面也有版友講到重點,如果論坑車跟op車的比例 09/21 12:06
Basilisk0083:蘇聯科技樹大概是最爽快的一條科技線... 09/21 12:07
Linlauvu :重量那種東西是平衡用的吧,記得serb有說過。 09/21 12:07
troll5566 :美國車俯角也op 這真的可以蓋過多數地型劣勢 09/21 12:07
Basilisk0083:我懂重量是為了平衡,可是到底平衡在哪? 09/21 12:10
Basilisk0083:這次一改,德國高階車推重比慘到不行,跟重量也有關 09/21 12:10
troll5566 :爽 09/21 12:10
Basilisk0083:美國車那俯角就更別說了,賣頭賣爽爽 09/21 12:11
Basilisk0083:車長塔也不是說打就打的中,佔到好位置真的煩死人 09/21 12:11
troll5566 :蘇系還是太弱了 依前面版友所抱怨 應該要能400米黑槍 09/21 12:12
Linlauvu :這你得問serb,他所謂的平衡跟一般人不太一樣 09/21 12:13
troll5566 :IS的122竟然裝填要十秒多跟美系105一樣 太扯了 09/21 12:14
Basilisk0083:對啊,均傷390要400m也能黑槍才有用,最好再多加點 09/21 12:14
ccc101419 :因為德國入侵過史達林格勒 所以遊戲中要報復(誤 09/21 12:15
Basilisk0083:穿深,然後魔術裝甲應該要再更有效果一點 09/21 12:15
troll5566 :真的 最好出現隔壁棚那種兩秒一發KV2 09/21 12:15
didiasdcvb :蘇聯T10車很慘好嗎?? 大家都只說他的前幾階,怎不比 09/21 12:15
Basilisk0083:我覺得就直接點承認因為歷史情結所以德車要正面發爐 09/21 12:16
troll5566 :啊也只有T10 09/21 12:16
Basilisk0083:然後砲均傷特弱,零件模組hit box特別大,誠實很難? 09/21 12:16
didiasdcvb :T10階?? 真的OP的請看美國跟法國(T10車來說) 09/21 12:16
Basilisk0083:只有T10稍微劣勢,最多人玩得5678都很讚,嗚嗚好慘 09/21 12:17
didiasdcvb :蘇聯在前期有的優勢在T10全都沒了,你說不慘? 每條線 09/21 12:18
Linlauvu :怎麼不說說英、法重坦op rating,有前五就要偷笑了 09/21 12:18
troll5566 :好慘啊 t10變比較普通這叫我怎麼活下去啊 09/21 12:19
Basilisk0083:前幾階虐人太爽,突然不是那麼能虐,嗚嗚俄國車太弱 09/21 12:19
Basilisk0083:我最近玩我弟的俄國線,才更深深的感受玩德車有多m 09/21 12:20
didiasdcvb :法國有FOCH155 BAT 25T 砲車還連發 你說呢? 09/21 12:20
gwen3179 :推文完全不像討論,哭哭又愛玩,不爽不要玩啊(挖鼻) 09/21 12:20
Basilisk0083:六階不管KV-1S或是T-150,在同階場都是橫著走 09/21 12:21
jerry78424 :嗚嗚怎麼九十階車不OP了,俄國車好慘 09/21 12:21
Basilisk0083:甚至七八階場都能夠常常有不錯的輸出 09/21 12:21
didiasdcvb :德國你說M....後期威的哩,準度有 瞄準又快 09/21 12:21
Devarena :我沒玩過蘇聯車可是我開德國車都被別國打爆這絕對是 09/21 12:21
Basilisk0083:IS具備機動力,175穿深很夠用,IS-3就更別說了 09/21 12:21
Devarena :遊戲設計的問題這遊戲真的有夠爛 09/21 12:21
x000032001 :橫著走你等著燒車炸彈藥斷履帶 09/21 12:22
didiasdcvb :一堆無聊酸民 09/21 12:22
Basilisk0083:德國的後期車,以重坦論虎王是比虎式好很多啦... 09/21 12:22
Linlauvu :所以現在要討論砲車和td了嗎? 09/21 12:22
Basilisk0083:不過這要開過虎式才知道為什麼...置於E-75,還沒買 09/21 12:23
didiasdcvb :我從頭到尾有說7.8階弱??? 我只說了T10車悲劇 09/21 12:23
Basilisk0083:橫著走這個也可以講? 真的叫你車開橫的嗎... 09/21 12:23
Basilisk0083:兩邊玩過我的心得就是,同樣的技術水平,俄國車的表 09/21 12:24
Basilisk0083:現真的樂勝德車,無法承認這個事實就算了 09/21 12:24
troll5566 :現在玩IS3 深深覺得蘇粉十在是太可憐了! 靠杯的太有 09/21 12:25
Basilisk0083:我沒說你講7.8階弱,但是你拿T10出來說俄國很慘 09/21 12:26
troll5566 :道理 所以才來推文 09/21 12:26
gwen3179 :E-75還沒開過還能下這定論,研究方法課的教授沒當你? 09/21 12:26
didiasdcvb :這你就要說清楚是幾階車了~ 因為都不一樣 09/21 12:26
Basilisk0083:不就是相對無視他前面有多IMBA嗎? 所以會拿出來講 09/21 12:26
Basilisk0083:E-75我下了什麼定論? 單就網路上討論他是不錯的車 09/21 12:27
didiasdcvb :等你玩了E75跟E100再來說技術水平 09/21 12:27
didiasdcvb :E75跟E100是扛線車,每個國家都有不同玩法 09/21 12:27
troll5566 :蘇聯一直很悲劇啊 一直只限定T10 09/21 12:28
Basilisk0083:哈哈,E-100那種要靠金彈才能活的車我一點興趣都沒有 09/21 12:28
didiasdcvb :那你不要有比較好,他很爛~千萬不要買喔! 09/21 12:28
gwen3179 :你上面才說同樣技術水平,蘇車贏德車,結果你九階以 09/21 12:28
Basilisk0083:至於E-75,會強除了裝甲之外,就是砲管的均傷了 09/21 12:28
molukino :德國車就是靠準度 蘇聯車就是靠大管 一直都這樣 09/21 12:29
gwen3179 :上都沒開過就能下這結論 09/21 12:29
Devarena :你們蘇聯玩到幾階呀? 09/21 12:29
Basilisk0083:這款遊戲本身設定上的潛規則就是砲越大管越吃香 09/21 12:29
Basilisk0083:偏偏是哪一國砲都特別大管就別說了,一切都是史實! 09/21 12:29
didiasdcvb :蘇聯到高階就沒大管了...另外,大家請看DPM 比較準 09/21 12:29
molukino :說真的看你以哪個遊戲角度來看 如果只玩T6 09/21 12:29
troll5566 :對不起 只有八階 德九階 美七階 09/21 12:30
molukino :那當然你會覺得蘇聯爽 可是開到T10 你就知道E-100多 09/21 12:30
Basilisk0083:那我沒講清楚,5678階基本是這個狀況 09/21 12:30
didiasdcvb :蘇聯我有 IS4 IS7 T62A OBJ.261 OBJ.268 09/21 12:30
molukino :那就對拉 幹麼以5678來看這整個遊戲.. 09/21 12:31
molukino :公會戰還不是都上T10車 誰管你KV-1s多大管.. 09/21 12:31
Basilisk0083:5678除了T34之外,幾乎都是俄國砲最大管啊? 09/21 12:31
didiasdcvb :T10才是絕對....一堆人一直看前期= = 09/21 12:32
troll5566 :可是他說一直很悲劇耶 哭哭 09/21 12:32
korsg :8.7之前蘇聯砲的最大致命傷就是不夠準吧 09/21 12:32
didiasdcvb :你CW上非T10車阿~~我上T10 :D 09/21 12:32
Basilisk0083:以公會戰來看遊戲也挺怪,以public場而論,當然主要 09/21 12:32
didiasdcvb :我明明就是說蘇聯T10悲劇...有人就是喜歡亂... 09/21 12:33
Basilisk0083:會看5678,那是最多人玩的階 09/21 12:33
gwen3179 :上了十階場就只能靠金彈,這種玩法太不平衡了(爛WG!) 09/21 12:33
korsg :以前砲大管就是犧牲準度 8.7之後這問題也沒了~ 09/21 12:33
YukiPhoenix :樓樓上是基文 09/21 12:33
didiasdcvb :那你玩到5678就好...上去很恐怖!! 09/21 12:33
korsg :蘇聯現在過的很不錯啦 就10階悲劇了點... 09/21 12:34
colin1120 :....上面有人在說IS-3的砲塔那麼厚結果只比KT重一點 09/21 12:34
troll5566 :五樓不是你喔 看來是我語言能力弱對一直的認知有誤 09/21 12:34
didiasdcvb :蘇聯縮圈很慢啊~~德國很快~ 09/21 12:34
Basilisk0083:我是不知道gwen在TROLL什麼,至於準度,之前神改版 09/21 12:34
gwen3179 :田中理惠都已經是人妻了,放過她吧(前面有Yuki蹲草叢 09/21 12:34
colin1120 :我只能說肯定沒仔細去看跟研究過 09/21 12:35
Basilisk0083:看到板上一堆人在講KV-2黑槍神狙多爽多爽 09/21 12:35
korsg :KV-2這個規格外的東西別提拉 神教BJ4 大根潮爽XD 09/21 12:36
gwen3179 :因為我只看到兩個只玩到8階的在那troll 09/21 12:36
gwen3179 :都你們troll,什麼時候輪到我troll 09/21 12:36
colin1120 :兩顆砲塔高度差多少 IS-3砲塔一大堆地方軟得像蛋糕 09/21 12:37
Basilisk0083:阿就說主要再討論5678,只玩到8階是哪裡礙到你? 09/21 12:37
gwen3179 :那次改版是所有車的準度都變高,只有KV-2被buff而已? 09/21 12:37
troll5566 :對不起 看來八階不算在遊戲蘇系範圍內 09/21 12:37
Basilisk0083:是有人哭說10階很慘才會講到10階,但沒玩過我無法討 09/21 12:37
YukiPhoenix :沒玩過T10是誰的問題... 09/21 12:38
Basilisk0083:論,所以才說不知道你在troll什麼 09/21 12:38
didiasdcvb :沒玩過蘇聯T10的就不要說蘇聯OP 09/21 12:38
Basilisk0083:喔~我終於懂了,原來蘇聯整體不OP是因為T10不OP 09/21 12:39
Basilisk0083:受教受教,從剛到現在一直跳針T10原來原因是這樣啊! 09/21 12:40
korsg :準度BUFF後歪砲老症頭好多啦,之前D-25-T 100M都能歪 09/21 12:40
didiasdcvb :你CW是用幾階車打? 09/21 12:40
YukiPhoenix :連T10都沒開過在那邊跟人家評論車O不OP 09/21 12:40
troll5566 :對不起 我怒柏只能野團 你野團打的多還CW 09/21 12:41
gwen3179 :文內Serb只談56階,被人提高到5678階可以,追加到10 09/21 12:41
gwen3179 :階就不行了 09/21 12:41
troll5566 :可以啊 不過依比例看T10算少數吧 09/21 12:42
zoidsx :改版後的虎式也超強啦,6秒內一發超威 09/21 12:43
didiasdcvb :但你就是喜歡忽略它... 09/21 12:43
rock0702 :拿T10蘇聯車來比就是因為前期太爽T10當然要比照辦理 09/21 12:43
Basilisk0083:雖然改版後虎式的DPM大增,不過我光想到各種燒車 09/21 12:43
rock0702 :就是要每階都比人強 有一階輸人都不行 09/21 12:43
didiasdcvb :蘇聯OP那怎不說美國OP? 09/21 12:43
troll5566 :沒忽略啊 是你先把整個蘇聯拉進來戰的 09/21 12:44
Basilisk0083:黃彈藥,雖然buff了但依然不感回去玩,有陰影XD 09/21 12:44
troll5566 :有啊 俯角op 09/21 12:44
Basilisk0083:前面明明就有提到美國車的神奇俯角跟賣頭無雙 09/21 12:44
lsslss :沒交集也能討論成這樣... 09/21 12:45
Basilisk0083:自動無視嗎? 從來沒人說美國不OP,只是討論重點是SU 09/21 12:45
troll5566 :先說 德系準度穿深超op 09/21 12:45
Basilisk0083:我是根本沒有玩CW,早就說是在講大多數人玩一般場 09/21 12:46
troll5566 :還有T9T10裝甲op 09/21 12:46
didiasdcvb :我最前面只說蘇聯悲劇 下面就開始戰了.. 09/21 12:46
YukiPhoenix :現在是只要比別人強就喊OP嗎? 09/21 12:46
didiasdcvb :之後你先戰的八= =? 09/21 12:46
korsg :其實op的車有不少在法國...巴洽跟法克155 09/21 12:47
YukiPhoenix :那好像每台車都很OP 連AMX40小鴨鴨的下坡極速都很OP 09/21 12:47
Basilisk0083:原因很簡單,說蘇聯悲劇對於不玩T10或是CW的多數玩家 09/21 12:47
troll5566 :為了不要成為不知足德粉 我努力尋找德系過人之處 09/21 12:48
didiasdcvb :每一國都有他的OP車阿,但有人就是喜歡說蘇聯OP 09/21 12:48
Basilisk0083:根本難以想像,而大多的印象也主要都在56,或是78階 09/21 12:48
didiasdcvb :當然蘇聯的會說他不OP阿 09/21 12:48
Basilisk0083:如果討論串重點在於T10和CW,就沒有這個問題了 09/21 12:48
rock0702 :我德蘇都有玩 蘇聯用起來真的比較強 09/21 12:49
troll5566 :我相信 但再怎麼說蘇系都稱不上悲劇 更何況152線存在 09/21 12:49
didiasdcvb :因為每一國都有OP車,憑什麼其他人可以OP,蘇聯OP 09/21 12:49
didiasdcvb :就不行? 09/21 12:49
Basilisk0083:法國那幾台真的很恐怖,可是想想人家也是要玩到那麼 09/21 12:50
Basilisk0083:後期,雖說是OP可是還沒有蘇聯線那種早早就開始OP 09/21 12:50
didiasdcvb :法國7.8階以後就開始好轉 09/21 12:50
Basilisk0083:來的討厭,不過上場遇到法克系列還是會大喊 09/21 12:50
Basilisk0083:I'm Foched!!! 09/21 12:51
didiasdcvb :蘇聯早早OP但他早洩阿... 09/21 12:51
troll5566 :可以啊 反正我也可以玩 09/21 12:51
korsg :巴洽線是有點囧 1375 1390 普通 洛琳悲劇 09/21 12:51
didiasdcvb :目前還在40T玩耍XDD 09/21 12:51
Basilisk0083:前面好像有說了,問題出在俄國op車太多,不是說不能 09/21 12:51
korsg :還在想要不要跳過洛琳直殺巴洽~"~ 09/21 12:51
lsslss :法TD7階沒好轉 臉還是軟 8階才比較硬一點 09/21 12:51
Basilisk0083:有op車,每個國家都有op車啊,問題是比例咧? 09/21 12:52
akalashnikov:蘇聯從 KV-13 轉 MT 線到 T54 十分 OP 09/21 12:52
YukiPhoenix :蘇聯OP車很多 可以請你舉例嗎? 09/21 12:52
akalashnikov:OBJ 140 比 T62 硬 移動稍慢而已 09/21 12:52
didiasdcvb :沒有很多啊....TD因為準度不高 改用高穿深彌補(BL10) 09/21 12:52
didiasdcvb :德國則用準度彌補阿 另外他連發快 09/21 12:53
Basilisk0083:重坦線 五階開始的KV-1 -->六階 T-150/KV-1S 09/21 12:53
didiasdcvb :還有嗎? 09/21 12:54
Basilisk0083:七階IS稍微普通一點,IS-3強勢,KV-4也強勢 09/21 12:54
Basilisk0083:再來是TD線,最早的SU-85B黑槍神車,再來SU-85悲劇點 09/21 12:55
Basilisk0083:再上去su-100一樣390巨根bj4,su-152神教 09/21 12:55
YukiPhoenix :KV-4強勢???? 09/21 12:55
Basilisk0083:更別提ISU-152全遊戲唯一八階單發750 09/21 12:56
didiasdcvb :德:3601(改前) tigerP tiger2 E75 4502B E100 MAUS 09/21 12:56
YukiPhoenix :以你的標準 各國都可以列出差不多等級的車(除了1S 09/21 12:56
troll5566 :原來如此 看來蘇系一直悲劇是事實 09/21 12:57
didiasdcvb :德也很多OP車阿 你說的蘇聯反而比較少喔 09/21 12:58
Basilisk0083:OBJ延續優良血統,最多人玩的兩種路線一路OP到八階 09/21 12:58
akalashnikov:!! 那好 快 buff! 09/21 12:58
Basilisk0083:就說了啊,當然各國都有op車,可是我隨便舉就這麼多 09/21 12:58
didiasdcvb :就我所知德國在T8以後算很好走了 09/21 12:59
YukiPhoenix :你有沒有看到上面德國車的列表阿(除了4502B 09/21 12:59
didiasdcvb :我也隨便舉阿= =我只舉重坦耶.. 09/21 12:59
Basilisk0083:4502b到底是哪裡強勢我真的不懂,其他你舉的 09/21 12:59
Basilisk0083:德國可以稱得上op車的也就這幾台,還有嗎? 09/21 12:59
YukiPhoenix :應該是4502A強勢 09/21 12:59
didiasdcvb :打錯是T9 的4502 他擺角度可是小老鼠喔~~ 09/21 13:00
troll5566 :大哥 別爭了 咱們快去玩悲劇蘇系吧 09/21 13:00
YukiPhoenix :肥象 JP JP2 GWP 09/21 13:00
didiasdcvb :砲車T8以後 09/21 13:00
akalashnikov:但是 704 無視 XD 我開到 ST-I 也只怕自己國的TD 09/21 13:00
didiasdcvb :704裝甲跟紙糊的一樣XDD 遇上JGT還要怕勒..對方射速 09/21 13:01
didiasdcvb :比較快QAQ 09/21 13:01
didiasdcvb :剛然誰會傻傻地跟他對射=3= 09/21 13:02
Basilisk0083:問題704的隱蔽值比獵虎好很多,黑槍黑爽的 09/21 13:02
Basilisk0083:好啦,我回去玩上古捲軸了,最近沒啥動力打wot 09/21 13:03
korsg :現在GTA5正夯... 09/21 13:04
korsg :打WOT的人數好像有變少一點 搞不好都去GTA5了 09/21 13:04
Basilisk0083:還沒買,看大家都在玩真羨慕~~~ 09/21 13:05
x000032001 :掰 09/21 13:05
ykes60513 :吃個飯回來就這樣...這一小時還真是熱鬧...= =a 09/21 13:57
JOHNJJ :GTA5超好玩 沒買的快去買 我玩上癮了 09/21 14:38
donkilu :可惡大家都在玩GTA5...想玩 QAQ 09/21 15:13
korsg :收台二手XBOX或者PS3吧 現在五千有找 09/21 15:15
r0930 :GTA5一套多少 一千七? 09/21 15:30
jerry78424 :不是都去玩艦娘了嗎 09/21 15:45
Clavius :我只能等GTA5 PC版出QQ 09/22 01:22
hitlerx :肥象強勢是不是哪裡搞錯了.... o_o 09/22 19:48