作者CKlolita (正太慶)
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標題[翻譯]Elefant in the room by Garbad
時間Thu Aug 21 17:41:26 2014
原連結:
http://forum.wotlabs.net/index.php?/topic/12142-lets-talk-about-the-elephant-i
n-the-room/
So as I move towards 100% poketank completion, I had to finish off the german
fat TD line. I've put off this line for three years, because they are not my
kind of tanks. But still...
身為一個神奇戰車寶貝大師,往收集率100%邁進必須要磨完德國肥TD線。我有三年沒磨
這條線了,因為後面這幾台我相當不想玩。但...
http://i.imgur.com/O6FlmNK.jpg
Some replays:
http://www.fileswap.com/dl/v6QzR3Flfc/
Gear/Crew/Ammo (裝備/組員/彈藥配置):
Gear has only three real choices -- rammer, GLD, and optics. Optics trumps
binocs because only bots sit still and trumps vents because the ferd can
still spot out to ~430 which is enough for bushwork. For ammo and
consumables, I went with a standard blend on a flammable nazi. I didn't
bring any HE due to limited ammo, although the HE round is pretty decent.
裝備只有三樣像樣的能選--快填,快瞄,鍍膜。鍍膜屌打V鏡,因為只有bots會坐著不動
鍍膜照樣屌打風扇,因為這樣裝配能照到~430m(圖片是436m) 足夠打隱蔽物後埋伏
彈藥和消耗品的話,我採用了普通易燃納粹配法(維修包/急救包/自動滅火器)
因為彈藥存量太少我沒帶任何高爆,雖然128高爆還滿威能的
Crew(組員):
Crew skills on the Ferd feel rather pointless. The tank is too bloated for
camo to work, repair doesn't really matter, and most skills don't even work
for TDs. Really, it just doesn't matter that much.
在Ferd上討論組員技能感覺有點沒意義。這台車肥到camo沒啥用,維修沒太大意義,
而且一堆其他技巧對TD來說浪費。真的,你選啥其實差異都不太大
FIREPOWER(火力):
+ High alpha (490), good effective DPM (~3400), nearly ideal reload time
(~10.1)
+ Good penetration AP (246), excellent APCR (311), and even moderately usable
HE (630 dmg)
+ Good depression (-8), good gun traverse (30)
+ Good accuracy (.35), acceptable fire control, good shell velocity
- awkward rear mounted gun
- Slightly low ammo count
- Gun elevation is poor (14)
+高Alpha (490),很棒的實際DPM(~3400,算入第一發alpha),幾乎最完美的裝填時間
(~10.1)
+AP很穿(246),超棒的APCR(311),甚至有還不差的HE (630dmg)
+好俯角(-8) ,好的射角(30)
+好準度(0.35),可接受的火控,好的炮口初速
-後置戰鬥室
-彈藥有點少
-仰角不足(14)
The ferd has outstanding firepower, perhaps the best in tier. Its AP round
is more than adequate for most targets and APCR can chew up even the hardest
tier 10s. It also has a nearly perfect blend of alpha and reload, hitting
hard enough to command respect without having the liability of an excessively
long reload. The ferd also does well at long range with good accuracy and
firing characteristics. I found the ferd was slightly less reliable at long
range than I would hope, but I imagine that's just inexperience with the
tank. Finally, the ferd has mixed ability to bring the gun to bear.
Although it has excellent traverse and depression, its awkward rear mount
negates the raw numbers to a large degree.
肥男有優秀的火力,可以說是同階最好。AP對大部分目標非常夠,APCR甚至可以爽穿
最硬的T10。他也有幾乎完美的Alpha/裝填時間配比,打夠痛的同時又不會裝填太久
因為準度和炮口初速,肥男在遠距狙擊時也很強
我覺得肥男在遠距離時感覺沒有我希望的那麼可靠,但我覺得那是我對這台車不熟的原因
最後,肥男的車體帶這管炮有好有壞,雖然有好的俯角和水平射角,後置戰鬥室多少對
原始優秀數據有些不良影響
Bottom Line: Excellent all around firepower. Only its nazi kin can compare
to it.
底線: 各種狀況下的優質火力輸出,只有他的納粹兄弟們可以比擬
PROTECTION(防護力):
+ Thick slabs of raw armor over most of the front (~200 effective)
+ High HP relatively (1200)
+ Adequate side armor for side scraping (no risk of overmatch)
+ Relatively little issues with crew or module loss
- No angles at all, body design makes it difficult to angle enough to matter.
High powered guns or gold can slice right through you
- Weak lower plate, but can be negated by proper hull down
- Ass so huge its hard to find jeans that fit
- Poor roof armor makes you faggot bait (~30)
- Awkward rear turret makes you have to expose more than you would like to
turn corners or hull down
- Very poor agility and size makes it difficult to prevent tanks from
circling you or avoiding fire
+正面大部分有很厚的裝甲(200等效)
+相比同階TD而言高血量(1200)
+側面裝甲可以拿來逆斜角(夠厚不怕3X強制穿入)
+比較沒有死組員或是模組的問題
-基本上裝甲沒角度可言
-下底盤很弱,但正確的hulldown可以完全遮住
-屁股大到很難買到合身的牛仔褲
-車頂裝甲太差,讓你變成artyfag的最愛(30mm)
-後置戰鬥室設計讓你過轉角或是hulldown時會暴露比較多的車體
-超爛機動性,超大車體,很容易被繞以及很難躲避火力
Power creep has hurt the ferd a lot. Its effective hardness with good play
is about ~220. In 2012, that was enough for almost all situations.
Now...well, assuming your opponents don't shoot gold you are safe from low
tiers, premiums, and some mediums. Against heavies or tier 9+...good luck.
Still, ~200 hardness is enough to give a lot of opponents trouble. Look for
opportunities to fight opponents like IS-6, KV-3, Type 59, and so on whenever
possible. When fighting the monsters, just rely on your gun.
後浪推前浪傷肥男很大。肥男玩得好的話等效硬度大概是~220。2012年時,這可以對應
大部分狀況。現在...如果大家都不打金彈,你能彈低階車/某些中坦/某些金幣車。
遇到重坦或是T9+...祝好運。 即使這樣,~200厚度還是足以給一堆對手麻煩。
有機會的話專挑IS-6, KV-3, Type59之類的低穿敵車。打大怪物時你只能靠你那管炮
Bottom Line: Moderately hard. Its an asset, but not hard enough.
底線: 有點硬,是個優點,但還是不夠硬
MOBILITY AND VISION CONTROL(機動性和視距):
+ Good view range + ease of equipping optics + radioman = good view range
+ Acceptable acceleration in all conditions
- Very poor camo (its a fucking elephant)
- Low top speed, including in reverse
- Sluggish turning -- fast tanks can EASILY circle you
+好的基礎視距,配上鍍膜以及無線電手的Sis.Awareness=好的視距
+所有狀況下都可接受的加速度
-爛隱蔽(這她媽的是隻大象)
-低極速,包刮後退
-轉速慢--快車繞你非常簡單
The Ferd fares badly in this area. Its very slow -- not quite unplayable
like a T28/T95, but relocating is a serious issue. Its also slow in reverse,
and so can't peek as well as you would like. It turns slowly, making it
highly vulnerable to fast tanks if caught alone, and worst of all, it has
absolutely terrible camo. With your good view range you can get first
spot/shot regularly if you are in a bush, but expect to light up every shot
-- this tank can't play camo games at all.
肥男在這區表現頗爛。他很慢,雖然沒有T28/T95那麼慢,但是走位是個大問題。
後退速度很慢,使得你探頭的效率沒想像中好。轉速慢讓你落單時容易被快車繞,最鳥的
是他的隱蔽性真她喵的爛。你的良好視距能讓你在隱蔽物後先發現敵人,然後打第一發
但之後你通常就亮了。這台車完全不能用隱蔽黑爆對面
Bottom Line: Its slow, can be spotted from orbit, and just plain bad.
底線:很慢,可以在google earth上看到,就是鳥
CONCLUSION(總結):
The ferd was once considered an above average tank in the most balanced tier.
Now, power creep has hurt it a good bit. A lot more of its peers can punch
through it than before, plus the roomba can do everything it can do while
cloaked with a turret. It probably needs to be bumped down to tier 7 so it
can fight its historical opponents, but russian bias won't allow that. Its
effective against those opponents, at least. Its armor works well against
lowbies, and its gun always works well. But with no camo, poor mobility,
awkward gun usage, and squishy armor....that leaves it the third best german
TD in a crowded tier, with little to work with other than impressive boom.
And since its brothers have the same boom and more...why would you drive the
ferd?
肥男很久以前是在最平衡的階級中優於平均的戰車。但現在後浪推前浪還滿傷的。
同階能正面打穿他的越來越多,而且Roomba(R-B WT)能做他能做到的所有事,但是有砲塔
而且還是台隱形車。或許他該被放在T7,所以他可以打史實上的敵人,但Russian bias
怎麼可能會允許這種事。 至少他對T7以及以下的敵人還算有用。他的裝甲對低階車
而言很好用,而那管炮無論如何都很棒。但沒有隱蔽,爛機動性,後置戰鬥室和不可靠
的裝甲的情況下,這在德國T8TD中只能排第三,在T8這麼競爭激烈的環境下只有那管炮
可以說嘴。 而當他的兄弟有同一管炮以及更多附加價值時,為啥你會想開肥男?
OVERALL RANKING: 5/10
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推 korsg : JP2跟RHM才是王道 呼呼呼 08/21 18:02
→ qoopichu : 不過他隱蔽還是比JP2好,雖然亮了逃不了 08/21 19:45
推 kingsmill : 一局開始3分鐘后,JP2就不是蹲點隱蔽車啦 08/21 20:43
→ qoopichu : 剛才有場對手對付我方肥男的最佳策略–無視他 08/21 21:25
→ CKlolita : 比JP2好也只有小數點後面那一位 08/21 22:02
→ CKlolita : 不過必須說 Garbad的評分一向很嚴格 一階內平均一定 08/21 22:02
→ CKlolita : 是5.5 不會給大家都7分起跳那種芭樂分數 08/21 22:03
推 wuchianlin : 我個人感想也是平均以上但不夠好 可是有砲有人權 08/22 01:37
→ wuchianlin : 那管128在肥男身上表現實在很讚 勉強加分加到及格 08/22 01:38
→ CKlolita : 真要說沒幾台車不及格 但如果要給1-10分一定得有車 08/22 01:52
→ CKlolita : 得分難看 08/22 01:52