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※ 引述《lilychao (liliane)》之銘言: : 國中英文考題,動詞變化 : My alarm clock _________(ring) at 6 a.m., the time when I woke up. : 請問該填rang 還是was ringing? 為什麼? http://tinyurl.com/dx8gh4t "rang" is more natural. Even more common is "My alarm went off at 6am". We rarely refer to "alarm clocks", mainly because a lot of people use something else with an alarm function, such as a mobile phone. If the alarm does its job and wakes you up, we don't normally bother mentioning the waking up. - You look a little tired this morning. - That's not surprising. My alarm went off at 5am! If it didn't do its job properly then we would mention it: - Why were you late for work this morning? - I'm really sorry. My alarm went off at 6 but I didn't hear it/but I slept right through it. -- 『誰敬畏耶和華,耶和華必指示他當選擇的道路。』 詩篇25:12 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.25.34.51
cooxander:就算一百個美國人說該填"rang",這題還是"was ringing" 03/31 21:23
Chengheong:rang 03/31 23:59
zofloya:我的鬧鐘六點響,六點也是我起床的時間,為什麼一定要用 04/01 23:41
zofloya:was ringing,一樓你講個理由出來 04/01 23:42
cooxander:這題是國中英文考題,就回到國中英文的解法,我也知道 04/02 07:57
cooxander:現實生活中有很多與學校課本相差甚遠的用法,但原PO 04/02 07:57
cooxander:在問『國中英文考題』,可否回到國中英文上? 04/02 07:58
cooxander:我不是要否定母語人士(論壇上的那些美國人)說得用法 04/02 07:59
cooxander:但也像是我在 #1EY5PigA 說的,國中英文就是這樣教 04/02 07:59
cooxander:我們可不可以給上來這個版上問問題的學生/老師一點明路 04/02 08:00
cooxander:告訴他們怎麼教 04/02 08:01
cooxander:回到三樓的質問,我是說『這題』該選was ringing 04/02 08:03
cooxander:沒說『這句』不能寫rang 04/02 08:03
cooxander:只是覺得很怪,為什麼遇到有固定解法的『考題』,都還要 04/02 08:04
cooxander:捨近求遠,捨棄手邊的參考書,跑去問英美人士呢?? 04/02 08:05
zofloya:這一題是國中考題沒有錯,rang也是國中的解法,有何問題? 04/02 08:39
zofloya:這一題在the time前面有逗號,rang是正確的答案,你不把 04/02 08:40
zofloya:這個觀念教學生,可果你認為學生不能接受或會聽不懂,那 04/02 08:41
zofloya:你就太小看學生的學習能力,除非你本身沒這個文法觀念 04/02 08:42
zofloya:你再好好看你手邊參考書"固定的解法"跟這一題的差異在哪吧 04/02 08:44
zofloya:再者,你可以提一下這一題選was ringing的理由嗎? 謝謝 04/02 08:47
cooxander:理由:跟上一篇推文的一樣,其他的部份與z版友無法達成 04/02 09:18
cooxander:共識,亦不苟同其先入為主之看法,故不再討論 04/02 09:20
zofloya:你不苟同,我卻最不屑學校老師看答案講題目的習性,看過不 04/02 10:05
zofloya:少出題目老師拉不下臉的解題醜態與嘴臉,硬要配合"答案"的 04/02 10:06
zofloya:解釋,讓一些學生上高中時,學習起來特別吃力 04/02 10:08
Chengheong:支持zofloya 04/02 12:04
sitifan:台灣很多英文老師聽說讀寫都很爛,只會根據錯誤的參考書 04/02 12:06
sitifan:照本宣科,誤人子弟。 04/02 12:06
sitifan:這題應該是rang 04/02 12:07
yangivy:這題rang沒問題,但was ringing應該也沒錯吧? 04/02 13:52
yangivy:http://ppt.cc/f0jL 第2-3點中間有個important有2者區分 04/02 13:54
yangivy:在我醒來的時間點(6點),鐘正在響? 04/02 13:55
yangivy:樓上提到的確是許多老師應該改進的部分,要有審題的能力 04/02 13:59
yangivy:但國中階段還是著重在基本觀念的建立,在學生都還不知道 04/02 14:10
yangivy:這個時態如何使用,尚未熟悉就教他們和其它時態比較判別 04/02 14:12
yangivy:許多中後段的學生會無法消化,可能加速他們放棄學習 04/02 14:15
yangivy:到高中之後再以完整的文法書把概念統整,區分各個時態的 04/02 14:16
yangivy:使用時機,加深加廣,也符合教學循序漸進的目標 04/02 14:20
zofloya:when I woke up at 6am, the alarm clock was ringing才是 04/02 14:34
zofloya:在我醒來的時間點(6點),鐘正在響,跟這一題不一樣,不要 04/02 14:34
zofloya:搞混了 04/02 14:35
zofloya:很多會講說學生無法消化之類的,常常是自己沒辦法消化而已 04/02 14:37
zofloya:然後靠著自己是學校老師的身份,有掌控學生成績生殺大權 04/02 14:40
zofloya:丟棄英文專業上的討論,想給分就給分,想扣分就扣分,學生 04/02 14:41
zofloya:拿資料去討論,還會腦羞成怒的也不是沒看過,記恨的也有 04/02 14:42
zofloya:一整個就是吃人夠夠 04/02 14:42
zofloya:一樓那句話,讓我想到一個場景: 老師:就算一百個美國人說 04/02 15:00
zofloya:這題是rang,答案依舊是was ringing,因為分數是我在給的 04/02 15:01
l10nel:rang 和 was ringing 都構成合文法的句子,只是意思不同, 04/02 16:34
l10nel:如y所說那樣。能理解為何國中那一套"規則"只認was ringing, 04/02 16:39
l10nel:但想一想,進行時貌progressive aspect的概念要比非進行貌 04/02 16:41
l10nel:還要高級一點點,如果國中程度能教progressive,沒有道理不 04/02 16:41
l10nel:把非進行貌的rang交代好,故只允許was ringing實在說不過去. 04/02 16:43