推 pukka:Why should I care about the fxxking students? 大家混吧XD 12/16 06:31
→ lovenainai:cuz studnets pay. lol 12/16 06:34
→ pbs:Teachers don't need to care about the fxxking students. 12/16 06:50
→ pbs:Their responsibility is to teach effectively. 12/16 06:50
推 pukka:They pay for my lectures only, not my respect/concern. 12/16 06:57
→ pukka:If such a relationship is what they want, let's do it. 12/16 06:59
→ pukka:I'm pretty sure it's also easier for professors. 12/16 07:00
→ pukka:I don't even need to let my lectures perfect, cus they 12/16 07:01
→ pbs:What students expect is well-organized lectures. 12/16 07:01
→ lovenainai:that's what i heard and not the point in my article 12/16 07:02
→ pbs:Your respect/concern is unnecessary. 12/16 07:02
→ lovenainai:and this is not meant to anyone 12/16 07:03
→ pukka:don't pay me a perfect price. They deserve what they pay 12/16 07:03
→ pukka:especially for the price in Taiwan. 12/16 07:05
推 pukka:Want well-organized lectures? Sure, let's talk about the 12/16 07:07
→ pukka:price at first. Is that the relationship students want? 12/16 07:08
→ pukka:I'll be really happy if the situation becomes so. lol 12/16 07:09
→ pbs:To be a businessman or an educator is up to you. There's 12/16 07:24
→ pbs:nothing wrong for businessmen to ask for a reasonable pay. 12/16 07:25
推 pukka:No, it's up to what students expect. If they want a 12/16 07:26
→ pukka:bussiness relationship we can also satisfy them easily. 12/16 07:27
→ pbs:Ethics for educators at a univ are through self-discipline 12/16 07:28
→ pbs:regardless of what others do. 12/16 07:28
→ pukka:Now it sounds students more like so. Let's fine, really. 12/16 07:28
→ pbs:Your attitude is perfect for a cram school. 12/16 07:29
→ pukka:Sorry? r u talking about educators? I don't think those 12/16 07:29
→ pukka:students want an educator. When they talk about ethics, 12/16 07:30
→ pukka:this word applys to both students and professors. 12/16 07:31
→ pukka:Now the students want to abolish thier own ethics being 12/16 07:31
→ pukka:a students and prefer a bussiness relationship, so they 12/16 07:32
→ pukka:do not have any right to ask for professors' ethics. 12/16 07:32
→ pukka:Bussiness is bussiness, that's all. 12/16 07:33
推 pukka:I agree that this attitude is perfect for a cram school. 12/16 07:35
→ pukka:So, do the NTU students think that NTU is a cram school? 12/16 07:36
→ pukka:If not, why do they take such attitude? 12/16 07:37
→ pukka:No top school in the world would not ask for students' 12/16 07:38
→ pukka:ethics and let the univ become fully bussiness-oriented 12/16 07:39
推 SakuraWars:For all people who think respect for the teacher is 12/16 07:43
→ SakuraWars:crap, I think you should read pukka's reply here 12/16 07:43
→ pukka:, but it seems that it's what the NTU students want. 12/16 07:44
→ pbs:It's quite interesting that the instructor for the NTU 12/16 07:44
→ pbs:class did not feel offensive at all. 12/16 07:44
→ pbs:Why haste in labeling NTU a cram school? 12/16 07:49
推 SakuraWars:If all your point is going around the specific 12/16 07:51
→ SakuraWars:professor is not offended, maybe you should think 12/16 07:51
→ SakuraWars:why the head of the Medical School decided to set 12/16 07:52
→ SakuraWars:a new law to prohibit students from eating in class 12/16 07:52
推 Star07:Teacher must EARN the respect of the srudnets. 12/16 07:52
推 pukka:As said, the students' attitude label themselves, not me 12/16 07:54
→ Star07:that's pethatic for NTU to flatter the society 12/16 07:55
→ pukka:Both students and professors must earn respect from each 12/16 07:55
→ pukka:other. So, for this particular case, the point is that 12/16 07:56
→ pukka:whether the lecturer of the class deserve students' 12/16 07:56
→ pukka:respect? If the answer is yes, and the students do not 12/16 07:57
→ pukka:give respect to the lecturer back, then I will say that 12/16 07:58
→ pukka:the students should be blamed, and vice versa. 12/16 07:58
→ Star07:1. who has right to define the respect ? Prof. Hong 12/16 08:00
推 SakuraWars:The society has the right, so after this discussion 12/16 08:01
→ SakuraWars:through media, the head of the MS decided to set 12/16 08:01
→ Star07:or anyone on the web? It's to be discussed by the class 12/16 08:02
→ SakuraWars:the law. This is not pethatic, but is to tell that 12/16 08:02
→ SakuraWars:eating in class is not a way to show respect to the 12/16 08:02
→ SakuraWars:lecturer. Universities have the responsibility to 12/16 08:02
→ Star07:I think we can stop here. It is quite clear and reveal 12/16 08:03
→ SakuraWars:educate by showing the correct attitude themselves 12/16 08:03
→ Star07:the opinion of both sides. 12/16 08:03
推 single5566:WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY, Y'ALL? 12/16 09:22
推 cuteray:Why in English? ＸＤ～ 12/16 10:34
推 SakuraWars:Ask the people to pushed the 2nd and 3rd line XD 12/16 10:36
→ SakuraWars: who 12/16 10:36
推 a94874:我覺得這是文化上的差異 當然吃東西本身並沒有錯 12/16 22:43
→ a94874:但是我們的文化 儒家思想 尊師重道之類的想法說這樣是不好 12/16 22:45
→ lovenainai:我也覺得文化有差 我感覺根本在這沒人當成一回事 12/16 22:46
→ lovenainai:結果大家可以吵成這樣... 12/16 22:46
→ a94874:我覺得這就是我們跟別人不ㄧ樣的地方 不過近幾年自我意識 12/16 22:46
→ a94874:抬頭 太過強調自我很容易變成自私 這樣就不好了 12/16 22:47
推 SakuraWars:就我所知，上課不吃東西在歐洲至少德法是很普遍的 12/16 22:50
→ SakuraWars:所以不一定跟所謂儒家思想有關 12/16 22:50