Re: Harvey sectional

[jmc (貪玩的小孩)]

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Hi JM,

We led the game until the last round, and we ended up with a blitz by
winning 45 IMPs.

There are several good agents online.  You can use any search agent and
look for "online agent", like in Yahoo, there are hundreds listed, Yahoo
itself also has travel service.  If you like the one I am using, it is

http://www.flifo.com

It is in fact purchased by 1 Travel, but still kept the same engine which
I like most. Let me know if you need any help.

Later,
Raymond

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作者: jmc (貪玩的小孩) 看板: BridgeClub
標題: Re: Harvey sectional 
時間: Wed Nov 18 13:16:31 1998

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Hi JM,

We won the swiss team game today. YF played two hands magnificently,
one trump coup and one complex end-play.  Ray and I bid a 7c making
and opps were in game only.  As a result, we blitz the team that won
Central state II swiss team last month.

I will let yf tell you how he did it.
I will go next week end to play BAM with Ray for sure.
There is a remote chance that I will go for NA swiss team.

David

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作者: jmc (貪玩的小孩) 看板: BridgeClub
標題: Re: Harvey sectional 
時間: Wed Nov 18 13:17:13 1998

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> We won the swiss team game today. YF played two hands magnificently,
> one trump coup and one complex end-play.  Ray and I bid a 7c making
> and opps were in game only.  As a result, we blitz the team that won
> Central state II swiss team last month.

The trump coup hand was played by Paul. The end-play hand was very neat.

        A76x                    Paul    RHO     Me      LHO
        J97                     1C      Pass    1D      2H
        K                       Pass    Pass    2S      Pass
        AT985                   3S      Pass    4S      All Pass
98x             Tx
AQTxxx          x               Opening lead: CJ
xx              QJTxx
Jx              KQ6xx           An easy way to make is probably to
        KQJx                    cash DK, ruff club, DA, overruff D
        K8x                     with SA, SJ, SQ, ruff D and get a H
        Axxxx                   at the end. But I thought if CJ was
        7                       a singleton, then there was a good
                                chance S32 and D43.
Anyway, I cashed DK, SK, ruff D, SQ, ruff D with SA, on which LHO
pitched last club. The end position is as follows.

        --                      I led CT from dummy, intending to
        J97                     pitch a loser if RHO didn't cover.
        --                      Therefore, RHO covered with CQ. I
        T985                    ruffed with small trump. LHO had to
9               --              overruff; otherwise I had 6 trumps,
AQTxxx          x               3 top tricks in minors and a H. So
--              QJ              LHO overruffed. Now, if LHO played HA,
--              KQ6x            then I had 2 tricks in hearts. If LHO
        Jx                      led a low heart, then I could win in
        K8x                     the dummy, lead C9, ruff RHO's CK,
        Ax                      cash DA, play a D and RHO had to lead
        --                      clubs from 6x to dummy's 75 for making
                                5.

LHO actually played HA. So I made only 4. At the other table, the
contract was declared on the wrong side, and David and Ray got the
first 3 tricks and declarer had no chance to make.


Yifan

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作者: jmc (貪玩的小孩) 看板: BridgeClub
標題: Re: Harvey sectional 
時間: Wed Nov 18 13:18:04 1998

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> Dear David,
>
> Oh, I'd like to know the 7C hand, too. :) Better with the auctions at
> both tables. :)
>
> JM
>


Hi JM,

Both side vulnerable, my hand at first seat is

Void
87654
x
KQT98xx

Ray's hand is

AKJTxx
ATx
Ax
Ax

bidding went

3C - 5nt -
7C -  -  -    making 7

At the other table
ps ps 2c ps
2d ps 2s ps
3c ps 4s ps   making 5

David

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作者: jmc (貪玩的小孩) 看板: BridgeClub
標題: Re: Harvey sectional 
時間: Wed Nov 18 13:18:46 1998

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Hi Paul,

I think it over the hand you brought up during the swiss team game.

                   S: QTXX
                   H: QXX
                   D: QX
                   C: AT9x

S: Kxx                             S: Jxx
H: xx                              H: x
D: Axx                             D: KJTxxx
C: QJxx                            C: Kxx

                   S: A9
                   H: AKJxxxx
                   D: xx
                   c: xx

There is a technically correct defense (not double dummy at all).
The second high heart, East should pitch a high diamond.  After he
get in with CK, he would switch to a high spade.  After west win the
SK, he would play DA.  Now it is an obvious cash-out situation, the
play of dimond at East (paul's hand) unde DA is for count of the
remaining diamonds. Therefore, west (JM) would know that diamond
is cashable and declarer is 2722.

David

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作者: jmc (貪玩的小孩) 看板: BridgeClub
標題: Re: Harvey sectional 
時間: Sat Nov 21 15:40:54 1998

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David:  My precise hand was:
               Jxxx
               10
               KJ1065
               K84
Many years ago a rather excellent player said to me simply, when I was
kibbitzing him in Florida (He is a New Yorker). We have found that by
giving partner COUNT it makes the job much easier for partner to simply
place the cards he needs IN PARTNER'S HAND that are necessary in order
to beat a given hand. JM led the Club Q, declarer played the Ace and I
played the 4.  (I now fully realize that JM & YiFan prefer attitude at
track one.)

Declarer then played the Ace and King of Trump out of his hand and put
the Club 7 on the table (The dummy's initial club holding was A1095.)
On the play of the second high Trump I played the Diamond 5.

JM played small and declarer, a strong player, then agonized for many
seconds prior to playing the 10!  This is important because, holding the
8 in his hand and doing what he did would be extremely unethical and a
committee would have to be called. THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY NO
DOUBT IN JM'S MIND AS TO THE LOCATION OF THE CLUB 8!

Upon winning the Club King I put the Diamond 6 on the table.  At this
point JM should have known that I was either 4-1-5-3 or 5-1-5-2.  IF I
had a doubleton club then I had 5 spades and declarer would have held
the Club 8!  (That was JM's thinking at the table, that declarer had 3
clubs).

I believe that JM should reason out that IF I did not have the Diamond
King I would not have made the return of the Diamond 6.  Rather I would
have cashed the Spade Ace first and then played a diamond, so that he
knew to win the Diamond and then Cash the Spade King.

Hope you appreciate my analysis along with the specifics of the hand.

When playing at IMPs, either in KOs or Swiss Teams, COUNT has proven to
be superior!

Regards.
PSS


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作者: jmc (貪玩的小孩) 看板: BridgeClub
標題: Re: Harvey sectional 
時間: Sat Nov 21 15:41:33 1998

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Hi Paul,

Modern defense signals tends to give Attitute more priority
except five or six special situations (example, see The book
Switch in Time).  As far as I know majority of top players in the
worlds play this way.  In ACBL standard, (1). Att (2) Count
(3) Suit preference.   When I started playing birdge in early 70s,
I play count first.  I had been lured into Attitute first gradually.
Giving count only would not be sufficient for defense.  Actually
many of the top players now don't play count anymore (except
a few exceptions.  They play attitute and suit preference all
the way.

Yes, I missed the actual hand you had.  You had 4 spades and 5
diamonds not 3S and 6D.  I agree perfectly with you that Stanley
Katz's long hesitaion is unethical and maybe director should be
called upon.  Nevertheless, the defense sequence I suggested would be
logical if you indeed play attitute, count and then suit prefence.

David


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作者: jmc (貪玩的小孩) 看板: BridgeClub
標題: Re: Harvey sectional 
時間: Sat Nov 21 15:42:17 1998

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Dear Paul,

I have to say sorry, because I can not agree with you on several points
of view from your analysis.  :)  ( <-- these are smilings --> :) )

Actually, I was confused by your D5 discarding, D6 switching, and the
very first C4. I was totally confused on this board when it occurred.

In Yifan and my agreement, with standard signal, pitching the lowest
diamond discouraged diamond, hence denied king of diamond. D6 showed a
high card and the count of the remaining cards in that suit, hence was
an odd number, couldn't be four left.

Moreover, as I told you, I saw C2 and C3 so that I was sure C4 was the
smallest one in your hand. From my point of view, the only reason you
didn't play a higher one was that you had exactly K4 doubleton. So I had
no doubt as to the location of C8, it had to be in declarer's hand, even
after the declarer's hesitation. I didn't know who the declarer was. I
was not sure whether he was a good or a bad player. What I could do was
to trust my partner.

Okay, now I understand that the disaster came from the different priority
about signals. We prefer the attitude while you prefer the count. I have
too many things to deal with before going to Orlando. Let's discuss on it
after we come back and finish the final exam. :)

Sincerely yours,

JM


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作者: jmc (貪玩的小孩) 看板: BridgeClub
標題: Re: Harvey sectional 
時間: Sat Nov 21 15:42:53 1998

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JM:  You and YiFan are now my friends. All discussions are to avoid further
complications.  I understand and appreciate what your dilemma was at the
table.  In the future, on opening lead I will give you and YiFan attitude.
Don't sweat it.

I hope you guys have a great time in Orlando.  I am extremely jealous in
that I am unable to attend and play on the same team with the two of you.

Read this carefully:  I truly hope that ALL OF US, particularly you, YiFan
and I can play together, play well together, for many, many years to come.
Not only are the two of you gentlemen at the table, you are both excellent
players of your cards and it seems to me that with an occasional blip, such
as my playing the Club 4, we seem to get along wonderfully well.

Good luck on your exams.  Let me hear from you guys while you're in Orlando.
If you don't have access to E-Mail then use my 800 number 492-2242.
I hope to see you guys before you go home for the holidays.

Let's plan on playing a lot next year!  I like playing with winners and the
two of you are definitely winners!
Have fun!

Paul  :)

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作者: terrorist (.#)F%w$l) 看板: BridgeClub
標題: Re: Harvey sectional 
時間: Sun Nov 22 23:39:14 1998

※ 引述《jmc (貪玩的小孩)》之銘言：

: [楊宏宇學長的信節錄如下]
: Modern defense signals tends to give Attitute more priority
: except five or six special situations (example, see The book
: Switch in Time).  As far as I know majority of top players in
: the worlds play this way.  ... Giving count only would not be
: sufficient for defense.  Actually many of the top players now
: don't play count anymore (except a few exceptions.  They play
: attitute and suit preference all the way. ...

這並不是『現代』的信號; 自從六十年代中葉以來，大部份的理論家都
偏向主張防禦時應採取態度優先的理論。如我已說過多次『及時轉攻』
不是一本好的教科書，它也沒有提出任何新的觀點，我推荐學弟妹們看
的書是 Woolsey 或 Miles 的名著。

基本上，一套好的信號必須是明確 (不易被莊家打亂)、經濟 (傳送最重
要的消息)，和彈性的 (可以應付各種情形)。延展的態度信號 (表示對
轉攻的需求度) 和適度的花色選擇類型的信號調和起來是滿足這條件的。

張數為主的信號通常被認為是英國的一種『超現代式』的實驗; 在歐洲
比較多使用者, 另外一種愛用者是陪老板打牌的保鏢; 他們沒有辦法依
賴同伴在正確判斷後能打出正確的態度信號，只好訓練同伴打分配訊號;
在某種意味上，我一直認為這是一種打一人橋的表示。

當然，我跟 jmc 的意見基本上是相同的啦 (當然如果他能夠不要打那我
看了就礙眼的奇偶墊牌就更好了 :) 不過他如果能夠用中文翻譯，並且，
把他答應要寫的 Malcolm Brachman 的笑話寫下來就更好了 :)


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作者: terrorist (.#)F%w$l) 看板: BridgeClub
標題: Re: Harvey sectional
時間: Mon Nov 23 00:05:37 1998

※ 引述《jmc (貪玩的小孩)》之銘言：
: 如果我們約定把 1H-2S 和 1H-2NT 叫品意義對調, 1H-2S; 3H-3NT; 4C-?? 好像也
: 不會比較好. 怎麼辦? 不太會叫這副牌. :) 滷教授有高見嗎? :)
: 每次碰到叫牌問題, 我只想聽滷教授的意見. 熟悉的橋牌朋友們之中, 只有滷教授
: 的叫牌 (理論, 學說, 觀念, 制度 ......) 是讓我完全心服的. :)

忽然覺得有什麼可怕的事情要發生了 (每次接到高帽子時必然有的感覺 :)

我一向都是提倡把 Miles 的用法掉一下 ...

1H-2S;

        2N  平均牌
        3C  短門 *
        3D  短門 *
        3H  短門黑桃的低限
        3S  短門黑桃的 Slam try
        3N+ 可以加點花草, eg

                3N  短門黑桃的中間牌, 沒有其他的特徵
                4C+ 也是短黑桃 [看你要怎麼定義]

        但是其實這樣就不錯了 :)    我今天很累不想多加細節了 ...

        同樣的, 1S-2N-3C 為平均牌 ... 這叫 Useful Space Principle :)
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作者: jmc (貪玩的小孩) 看板: BridgeClub
標題: Re: Harvey sectional
時間: Thu Dec 10 13:08:50 1998

※ 引述《terrorist (.#)F%w$l)》之銘言：
: 當然，我跟 jmc 的意見基本上是相同的啦 (當然如果他能夠不要打那我
: 看了就礙眼的奇偶墊牌就更好了 :) 不過他如果能夠用中文翻譯，並且，
: 把他答應要寫的 Malcolm Brachman 的笑話寫下來就更好了 :)

Eric Rodwell 也說 Odd-Even discards 不好. :(

好啦好啦, 以後不打奇偶墊牌了. :(


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