蒂帕嬤——先成就內觀再成就四禪八定和五種神通的居士

[yggdrasils (尤克特拉希爾)]

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很早以前就注意到佛教論壇上介紹蒂帕嬤的一些帖子，但並沒有引起我的重視[1]。後來看
到網友翻譯整理的一些資料[2]，介紹蒂帕嬤一些弟子受蒂帕嬤指導禪修的修行經歷，認識
到這些是非常有價值的禪修參考資料，於是才搜索蒂帕嬤的有關資料，從網上購買了《佛
陀的女兒：南傳佛教大修行人的傳奇心靈》的英文原版「Dipa Ma——The Life and Legac
y of A Buddhist Master」[3]。閱讀此書，才知道到蒂帕嬤在成就內觀智慧（證得了二果
）之後，修習並證得了八種禪定和五種神通。不僅僅是她，還有她的妹妹以及她們兩家的
幾個孩子，都是先證得了內觀智慧（至少是初果），再修禪定和神通，只是書中沒有提她
們幾位禪定和神通達到了何種水平,但至少書中的記載表明她妹妹的神通成就也是相當大。
我們知道，一般認為馬哈希禪法修純內觀，走的是慧解脫的路子。有的朋友發心比較高遠
，不滿足於修純內觀，還希望成就禪定和神通，所以可能就會選擇先修禪定的法門。但是
從這些例子看，完全可以在成就內觀智慧之後成就禪定和神通，這就給人們更多的選擇。
在家人很難長時間住在森林裡修行，要先成就禪定頗不容易，因為一般居住的地方很難找
到能成就禪定的安靜環境。無疑蒂帕嬤給在家人樹立了一個很好的榜樣，在家人可以先成
就智慧，再成就禪定。先修內觀，後修禪定，按照經典這樣也是可行的[4][5].



下面把書中關於蒂帕嬤禪定和神通的有關章節選譯一些和大家分享：



1.蒂帕嬤修學神通的因緣 （摘自第二章 ）

In 1965, Dipa Ma was drawn into a new dimension of spiritual practice. In
anticipation of Munindra's return to India, the Venerable Mahasi Sayadaw told
his student that since he was going back to "the land of siddhis"(psychic
powers), he should know something about them. He wanted to train Munindra in
the siddhis, but Munindra was too involved in teaching to  undertake siddhi
practice himself. Instead, Munindra decided to train others, partly as an
experiment to prove that the siddhis were real.  For this purpose he chose his
 most advanced students, Dipa Ma and her family,and trained them directly from
 Visuddhimaga. Munindra knew that psychic powers are not only amoral, but also
 potentially seductive. There is a great risk of their misuse unless a
student's moral development is secure. Dipa Ma was chosen not only for her
powers of concentration but also for her impeccable
morality.

在1965年，蒂帕嬤被帶進了一個新的禪修領域。因為穆恁德拉（蒂帕嬤的師傅）將要回印
度，馬哈希尊者對他這位弟子說，你既然要回到「神通的國度」，你應該對神通有所瞭解
。他想讓穆恁德拉修煉神通，但是穆恁德拉忙於教導弟子沒有時間修煉。因此，穆恁德拉
決定訓練別人，也算一個實驗，用來證明神通的真實性。為此，他選擇了他的最優秀的一
些學生，就是蒂帕嬤和她的一家，直接按照清淨道論的方法進行訓練。穆恁德拉知道神通
不僅是不尋常的，而且可能讓人走偏道路。如果一個弟子的德行不夠，濫用神通的危險很
大。蒂帕嬤被選中，不僅因為她的定力，也是因為她有無可挑剔的德行。



Dipa Ma, Hema , and three of their daughters were introduced to the practices
of  dematerialization, body-doubling, cooking food without fire, mind-reading,
 visitation of the heaven and hell realms, time travel, knowledge of past lives
, and more. Dipa Ma was the most adept of all Munindra's students, and the most
 playful. It has been said that she nonchalantly arrived at her interviews with
 Munindra by walking threough a wall or spontaneously materializing out of thin air, and that she came to master
all five categories of supernatural  abilities.

蒂帕嬤、西嬤（蒂帕嬤的妹妹）和他們的三個女兒都得到了傳授，修煉隱身、一身變雙身
、無火煮食、他心通、遊歷天堂地獄、超越時間旅行、宿命通等等。蒂帕嬤是穆恁德拉最
能幹的弟子，也是最能玩神通的。據說她有時穿牆而過若無其事地來見穆恁德拉，或者突
然就從毫無一物的空氣中現身，還說她掌握了所有的五類神通。



2.禪定和神通的成就（摘自第九章）

Dipa Ma developed her supernatural powers under Munindra's tuelage and never
demonstrated them except at his request. Such powers are achieved not throught
 insight meditation, but throught concentration practices, in which the mind
enters a deep state of absorption known as jhana. While she was doing jhana
practice, Dpa Ma could enter any of the eight classical jhanic states at will
and stay in it as long as she wanted.  In the deeper jhanas, bodily processes
can sometimes slow almost to a standstill, so it is not neccessary to drink,
eat, sleep,move,or urinate. Dipa Ma could resolve to enter a specific jhana and
 "wake up" or emerge from it at predetermined time. On one occasion, she
 resolved to enter the eighth jhana and stay in it for three days,twenty hours,
eight minutes,and three seconds. She emerged from the jhana exactly to the
 second that she had predetermined.

蒂帕嬤在穆恁德拉指導下開發出了神通，但是沒有他的要求她絕不會給別人表現這些神通
。神通不是由內觀獲得，而是通過修定，這種修行心會進入稱為禪那的深定。在修禪那時
，她能如意地進入經典的八定之中任何一定，並且在定中停留她所希望的時間。在比較深
的定中，身體的新陳代謝幾乎停止，所以不需要喝水、吃飯、運動、以及上廁所。蒂帕嬤
能夠通過決意進入某一定並且在預先設定的時間「醒來」或者說出定。有一次，她決定進
入第八定並且在定中停留3天20小時8分3秒。她出定的時間就精確到她預先確定的秒數。



When she left Burma, Dipa Ma stopped ptracticing these powers, insisting that
they involve ego and are therefore a hindrance to liberation. Munindra
concurred. "These powers are not important," he said. "Enlightenment is
important.You need wisdom to use these powers . You don't want to use these
powers with ego,beause they are not yours. You can't use them and think you're
the one who is powerful. This is not wisdom."

當她離開緬甸後，蒂帕嬤停止了修練神通。她堅持認為神通包含我相因此對解脫是一種障
礙。穆恁德拉也同意這個觀點,他說:「這些神通並不重要，悟道才是重要的。你需要智慧
駕馭這些神通。你不要想帶著我相運用這些神通，因為這不是你的。你不能運用神通並且
認為正是你很了不起。這不是智慧。」



Jack Engler once asked Dipa Ma if she still possessed the extraordinary powers
 she had acquired years before while studying with Munindra.

"No," she said.

"Could you get them back?"

"Yes,"she said, "but it would take a long time."

"How long?" asked Jack, thinking she would reply in terms of months or years.

"Oh, about three days,"she replied, "if I really practiced."

傑克.英格勒爾曾經問蒂帕嬤她是否還擁有她多年前根穆恁德拉學習時獲得的神通。

「沒有，」她回答說。

「你可以把神通找回來嗎?」

「可以，」她說，「但是要很長時間。」

「多長？」傑克問道，心想她可能會說幾個月或幾年。

「嗯，大約三天，」她回答說，「如果我很認真地用功的話。」



（五種神通，略）

According to Munindra, Dipa Ma demonstrated each of these powers to him. The
following are based on Munindra's recollections. "You may not believe it,"he
said,"but it's true."

按照穆恁德拉，蒂帕嬤向他表演了這些神通（五種神通）的每一種。下面內容是基於穆恁
德拉的回憶。「你可能不相信，」他說，「但這是真的。」


Once Munindra was in his room when he noticed something unusual in the sky
outside his window. He looked out and saw Dipa Ma in the air near the tops of
the trees, grinning at him and playing in a room she had built in the sky. By
changing the air element into the earth element, she had been able to create a
 structure in mid-air.

有一次穆恁德拉正在他的房間，他注意到他窗外的天空有些不尋常。他向外看，看見蒂帕
嬤在樹梢上方的空中一邊咧著嘴向他笑，一邊在空中她變現的房屋裡面玩。通過把風元素
變為地元素，他可以在半空中造出一個建築物。



Changing denser elements to air produced only slightly less astonishing
occurrences. Sometimes Dipa Ma and her sister Hema arrived for interviews with
 Munindra by spontaneously appearing in his room, and Dipa Ma occasionally left
 by walking throught the closed door. If she was feeling especially playful,she
 might rise from her chair, go to the nearest wall, and walk right through it.

把厚重的元素變成風元素，產生的震撼稍小一點但同樣也是令人驚奇的事。有時蒂帕嬤和
她的妹妹西嬤去見穆恁德拉會突然在他的房間現身，蒂帕嬤偶爾在離開時會穿過關著的門
走出去。如果她感到很有玩興，她可能從椅子上站起來走到最近的牆壁，直接穿牆走過去
。


Dipa Ma learned to cook food by making the fire element come out of her hands.
 She could also change the earth element into the water element, which she
demonstrated to Munindra by diving into a patch of ground and emerging with her
 clothes and hair wet. If she had to walk alone at night, Dipa Ma could
duplicate her body, creating a companion for herself so that no one would
bother her.

蒂帕嬤學會了用她的手產生火元素來生火做飯。她還能把地元素變成水元素，她曾這樣向
穆恁德拉表演：像跳水那樣她潛入一塊地面之下然後從中鑽出來，衣服頭髮都是濕的。如
果她必須一個人走夜路，蒂帕嬤會複製一個身體，給她自己造一個同伴，這樣就沒人找她
麻煩。


Dipa Ma's abbilities in this regard were once tested by a third party.
Munindra knew a professor of Ancent Indian History at Magadh University who was
 skeptical about psychic powers. Munindra offered to prove the existence of
such powers, and the two of them set up an experiment. The professor posted a
trusted graduate student in a room where Dipa Ma was meditating to watch and
make sure she didn't leave the room. On the appointed day, the student verified
 that Dipa Ma never left her meditation posture,
and yet at the very same time, she appeared at the professor's office ten miles
 away and had a conversation with him.

蒂帕嬤的這方面的神通曾由第三方測試過。穆恁德拉認識摩羯陀大學的一位印度古代史教
授，這位教授懷疑神通的存在。穆恁德拉表明願意向他證明神通的存在，於是他們倆就安
排了一個實驗。這個教授派了一個他信得過的研究生在蒂帕嬤禪坐的房間守著以確保她沒
有離開房間。在實驗那天，那位研究生確認蒂帕嬤從沒有從禪坐中起來，但是在同時，她
卻出現在十里之外的教授辦公室和教授說話。



Dipa Ma and Hema once used their extraordinary powers in tandem to move a bus.
One afternoon in Rangoon, they were waiting at a bus stop. When the bus finally
 arrived, over an hour late, they realized they were going to miss their
engagement some distance away. Because it was important to arrive one time,
they both began to concentrate and got the bus back on schedule."During the
samadhi [absorptive ]state,"Munindra explained,"they made resolutions and moved
 the bus even while sitting in it. They shortened the time and distance. It can
 be done. The Buddha did this with Angulimala. When Angulimala was trying to
kill the Buddha, he kept running after him,but the Buddha didn't move, and
still he could not catch him. This was because the Buddha used his powers to
make the distance always the same."


蒂帕嬤和西嬤曾聯手用她們的神通力影響一輛公共汽車的運行。在仰光的一天下午，她們
在公共汽車站等車。當車子終於到了的時候，已經晚點一個小時，她們意識到她們會錯過
約定的時間太多。由於按時到達很重要，她們開始入定並且讓公共汽車正點到達。「在三
摩地狀態，」穆恁德拉解釋說，「她們決意並且移動那輛她們坐的汽車。她們讓時間和距
離變短。這是可以做到的。佛陀曾經對秧倔摩羅運用這種神通。當秧倔摩羅想殺佛陀的時
候，他不斷追趕佛陀，但佛陀沒有移動他也追不上。這是因為佛陀用他的神通使他們之間
的距離保持不變。



When the Burmese diplomat U Thant was about to become the new secretary general
 of the United Nations, Munindra, knowing that U Thant would give an acceptance
 speech, asked Dipa Ma to go into the future and remember the content. She
recited the speech, and Munindra recorded it . A month later, accoring to
Munindra, U Thant gave the exact speech, word for word, just as Dpa Ma had
predicted.

當緬甸外交官吳丹（U Thant）就要就成為聯合國新任秘書長時，穆恁德拉知道吳丹會作一
個就職演說，就叫蒂帕嬤進入未來並且記住就職演說的內容。然後她念出就職演說，穆恁
德拉把它錄下來。據穆恁德拉說，一個月以後，吳丹作了完全一致的演說，和蒂帕嬤預先
知道的一字不差。



 書中還有其他人對蒂帕嬤神通的敘述，就不多說了。





【1】佛陀的女兒：南傳佛教大修行人的傳奇心靈 http://0rz.tw/WGMqe

【2】蒂帕嬤 - 當代女阿羅漢的傳奇故事 http://0rz.tw/CRsVo

【3】 http://0rz.tw/5TgO2

【4】南傳《增支部》4.94經：http://0rz.tw/K7SpO

【5】南傳《增支部》4.170經：http://0rz.tw/I55Ft



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推 budalearning:佛教奇談?
對於神通應該不用用負面的態度來面對，神通只是在禪定中所得到的一種能力，在本文只
是想表達現代的在家居士，若想有更高的成就，也是可以由先觀後定的次第來修習，畢竟
在家人要修得甚深禪定的環境不是那麼具足，且Dipa-Ma居士修神通的背景也是經過老師的
認可，將修習神通的基礎建立在品德之上，同時Dipa-Ma居士也認為帶有我相的神通，對於
智慧的啟發是無益的，她只是證實了目前南傳的教法，神通仍然有可能被開發出來。殊不
知在大乘菩薩道一直修行成佛的過程中，佛也得具足神通。
※ 編輯: yggdrasils      來自: 123.192.64.159       (07/27 18:36)
推 Crazyfire:http://tinyurl.com/kkomno
→ Crazyfire:神通雖然不是佛法的追求目標 但也是一些
→ Crazyfire:佛教行者所具備的能力或客觀存在的事實
→ Crazyfire:在阿含經中也有所記載 北傳通常稱為神足
→ Crazyfire:變化或神通變化 而南傳的相應部經文則作
→ Crazyfire:神通神變(iddhipatiha-riyam)
推 Crazyfire:另外 這篇也有點出修定的實況 修定要修
→ Crazyfire:到入出定自如 的確要做到這種地步 如文
→ Crazyfire:中提到蒂帕瑪預定要在3天20小時8分3秒
→ Crazyfire:時出定 就必須要在這預定好的時間出定
→ Crazyfire:越高層次的定會要求地越精確 而且是非這
→ Crazyfire:樣不可 所以修定是相當高難度的 有經驗
→ Crazyfire:的禪師大多不會教修定法門的道理就在此
推 Cid:在各階段禪定中禪修者可以分別修行五自在; 此
→ Cid:文與Cf大推文提到的是"住定自在"或"出定自在",
→ Cid:及隨自己預定入定多長及出定時間, 其它還有"入
→ Cid:定自在":想入定時入定, "省察自在":於禪定中辨
→ Cid:識各禪支, "轉向自在":出定後辨識禪定時的各禪
→ Cid:支. 佛陀曾說禪修者在入初禪後要先熟練五自在
→ Cid:才能修習二禪, 以免兩者皆失. 而神通就是建立
→ Cid:在這樣的禪定自在基礎上開發出來的. 曾聽過天
→ Cid:眼通的開發方式是透過光明遍想/火遍想達到四禪
→ Cid:後, 再退回到近行定, 並把光明放大到周圍, 而
→ Cid:產生視覺形象.
推 Cid:值得一提的是, 本文提到了五種神通, 與一般所
→ Cid:說"三明六通"所差的便是唯阿羅漢能得的漏盡通.
→ poohkoala:阿羅漢雖證得了六神通,但卻沒有三明
→ poohkoala:只有佛才有三明
推 chuit:樓上不要再出來丟人了
→ chuit:六神通中  天眼通 宿命通 漏盡通就是三明
→ chuit:妳真的讀完了法鼓全集??
推 Crazyfire:推Cid所補充的"五自在" 這就是修定的門
→ Crazyfire:檻或requirement 雖然修定很難 但其實可
→ Crazyfire:以視為"選修" 而持戒和修毗婆舍那則應是
→ Crazyfire:"必修"
→ Crazyfire:對於在家居士而言 這樣的修行大方向或許
→ Crazyfire:是比較穩定可靠的途徑
→ Crazyfire:雖然最理想的狀態是能"止觀雙運" 但畢竟
→ Crazyfire:在家居士在修行的客觀條件上有許多侷限
→ Crazyfire:性 所以在家居士在實修進路上的取捨或許
→ Crazyfire:應偏重於修內觀(毗婆舍那)為佳
推 haryewkun:這篇單看文章很難判斷是不是有達到四禪
→ haryewkun:，如果達到四禪，舍身即可生于天上。
→ haryewkun:如果按傳統說法，把色界天人和中國的神
→ haryewkun:仙並列的話，那麼初禪者就相當于神仙了
→ haryewkun:，四禪則更高了。
推 biglafu:....色界天人就算神仙??
→ poohkoala:chuit妳自己聽完經典學院-妙法蓮華經
→ poohkoala:第18個檔-如來壽量品再說吧
→ poohkoala:天眼明宿命明漏盡明..但有天眼通宿命通
→ poohkoala:漏盡通的阿羅漢和菩薩沒有佛的這三明
→ poohkoala:阿羅漢的通不等於佛的明,佛陀跟神通第一
→ poohkoala:的目犍連尊者一起看某隻螞蟻的前世,
→ poohkoala:目連尊者只能看到這隻螞蟻的某一前世也
→ poohkoala:是螞蟻..但佛看的到目連尊者看不見的更
→ poohkoala:久遠之前世..我不只看完法鼓全集
→ poohkoala:我還看完聖嚴法師所有的禪修開示教學影
→ poohkoala:带,和經典學院聲音檔外畫面影帶..
→ poohkoala:只差天台心鑰和華嚴學各看了一部份
→ poohkoala:連漏盡通跟漏進明都分不清楚的chuit收聲
→ poohkoala:好過...
→ poohkoala:sorry,不是目犍連尊者跟佛陀一起看
推 haryewkun:@biglafu：嗯，我的確不確定神仙能不能
→ haryewkun:色界天人。我有聲明是照傳統說法。
→ haryewkun:照一般對神仙的描述，神仙是可以白日飛
→ haryewkun:升、也擁有一定的神通，但天仙才能做到
→ haryewkun:散聚由心，和天地同壽。
→ poohkoala:是舍利弗...我只記得神通,寄不得其他尊
→ poohkoala:者的尊號...重新回想聖嚴師父說這個故
→ poohkoala:事實提過..這位尊者的神通也很厲害,才想
→ poohkoala:豈不是目犍連尊者.而是智慧第一的舍利弗
→ poohkoala:尊者才是事主
→ haryewkun:若對神仙的資料有興趣，可以參考《鐘呂
→ haryewkun:傳道集》中談論“仙有五等”的部分。
→ haryewkun:里面把仙分作鬼仙、人仙、地仙、神仙、
→ haryewkun:天仙這五等，每一等的都有形容該等情況
→ poohkoala:這個故事不只禪修開示有錄影
→ poohkoala:[學佛知津]內[神通的境界與功用~六通與
→ poohkoala:三明]也有文字版..不信請自己orz回家
→ poohkoala:http://0rz.tw/TAsM7
→ poohkoala:連法鼓全集內學佛三書中學佛知津都沒看
→ poohkoala:的人沒有什麼資格質疑別人看完法鼓全集
→ poohkoala:當chuit在網上用名片檔裡的身高體重和淫
→ poohkoala:圖找one night stand得聊天同性男伴時
→ poohkoala:敝人每晚同在網上但在看自家寶藏
→ poohkoala:妳的部落格裡那些裸男自拍.這版上其他
→ poohkoala:網友也有不少人瀏覽過..您學的是印度的
→ poohkoala:性經..那請做電梯到SEX版
→ haryewkun:樓上，這似乎就過度了吧。
→ haryewkun:討論三明六通我是沒意見，但要是要拿別
→ haryewkun:人的性方向來攻擊就是另一回事了。
→ mormolyca:沒辦法 讀完法鼓全集還這等水準 可悲
→ mormolyca:這種已經近乎人身攻擊的言論 真要不得
→ weyden:為什麼要拿個人隱私來人身攻擊?風氣如此嗎?
→ gamete:看來喜歡chuit的還不少 連裸照都開始流傳了
→ gamete:不知道有沒有傳說中的30公分
→ Cid:回Cf大的推文: 其實修定亦是"必修", 只是不需
→ Cid:要修到"高等禪定"(四禪八定), 只要修"禪定概論
→ Cid:"(近行定/剎那定), 就可以在此基礎上進修慧學.
推 Crazyfire:嗯~~其實近行定的開發 是修觀的行者在
→ Crazyfire:行持過中會自然而然地開發出來 所以只要
→ Crazyfire:修觀有所成的話 禪定的能力還是會有一定
→ Crazyfire:程度的提升 大概最高即初禪前的近分定
→ Crazyfire:所以精確一點地說明的話 應該是初禪以上
→ Crazyfire:的定是"選修"
→ Crazyfire:修毗婆舍那者 是不能開發到深定 但初禪
→ Crazyfire:前的近分定還是可以開發到的 而初禪前的
→ Crazyfire:近分定是證得阿羅漢果的最低門檻 所以說
→ Crazyfire:把修觀列為必修的思路就是在這裡
推 Crazyfire:所以說在實修進路"理論上"的選擇 可以假
→ Crazyfire:定出純修觀的模式 在概念上可以開出這樣
→ Crazyfire:的法門
→ Crazyfire:前面有些推文已經離題了 打多一點字來拉
→ Crazyfire:回正題
→ Crazyfire:修觀可以慧解脫 證得般若 所以是必修
→ Crazyfire:修定可得神通 可做為方便 但應該是根本
→ Crazyfire:"修觀"的根本先顧好 才再進一步考慮修定
→ Crazyfire:開外掛 這是蒂帕瑪居士所給我們的啟示
推 SkyElder:好文故推  入定得神通的證據