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Top 10 Things Haters Say About Kobe and Why History Will Prove Them Wrong 十大反科言論,歷史將證明他們的荒謬! Quite simply Kobe Bryant is one of the most galvanizing figures in NBA history. You either love him or hate him, there’s no middle ground. We can honestly say there’s no other NBA superstar that receives the same degree of criticism that Kobe has over the years (though “The Decision” is slowly changing all of this). I put together a list of Top 10 Things Haters Say About Kobe and Why History will prove them wrong: 很明顯Kobe Bryant是NBA歷史上最受爭議的人物之一。你要麼愛他要麼恨他,沒有灰色地 帶。老實說,從未有過一個NBA超級巨星像這些年的Kobe一樣受到過如此多的批評。(不 過"The Decision"開始改變一切了)。我整理了一份反科迷們關於Kobe的十大言論以及為 何歷史將證明他們的荒謬。 10 – He’s not better than Michael Jordan. Yes Lakers fans I hate to break the news to you; Kobe Bryant is not better than Michael Jordan. Lakers fans hardly believed he was, nor do they even entertain the argument. This is just sportstalk fodder by the national media every June after the Lakers annual championship parade (BTW - which is an official rite of summer: Memorial Day, 4th of July, BBQ's and a Lakers Championship parade). It’s meant to light up the phone lines and draw out a “YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!” from the Kobe haters. Listen, we know he won the first three titles with Shaq. We know the hand checking rules are different and that MJ would score 65 points a game. And we know he never faced Detroit's Bad Boys or Riley’s Knicks. We get it. Shhhhhh, (in a whisper tone) but you know what? I’ll take the second best shooting guard in the David Stern era. 10 - 他不比Michael Jordan出色。 是的,湖迷們,我討厭告訴你們這條:Kobe Bryant不比Michael Jordan出色。其實湖迷 們從未這樣覺得過,他們也從未參與過這樣的討論。這些只是每次6月湖人奪冠游行後全 國媒體拋出來的話題(BTW,這快成夏天必備節目了:陣亡將士紀念日,國慶,BBQ以及湖 人奪冠游行)。這只是用來提高收視率,勾引反科迷打爆電話怒吼著:“你在開玩笑吧! !”聽著,我們知道Kobe是和Shaq一起贏下的前三次冠軍;我們知道hand check規則已經 改變,MJ在現在能一場比賽砍下65分;我們也知道Kobe從未對抗過底特律那幫壞小子們又 或是Riley的尼克斯隊。這些我們都清楚。 噓,(低聲地)但是你知道嗎?我認為Kobe是David Stern時代第二號SG。 9 – Kobe’s not a good teammate. Call it the Emo era or the Glee-ification of America, all of the sudden we now expect our superstars to lead their respective teams with a sensitive touch, always nice, always having fun and always liked by everyone in the organization. Oh and they also have to cure cancer, be wildly funny (but in a I’ m-not-trying-to-be-funny-that’s-just-how-I-am way), throw birthday parties at Chuck E. Cheese, and let their teammates win at beer pong. Kobe’s not that guy. Ric Bucher said it best on a podcast I heard last season; Kobe doesn’t want to be your friend. He’s confident enough as a leader to get past all of that and pursue the real goal: Championships. You won’t see him lead in any choreographed pre-game rituals or take the fellas out bowling. What you will get is an old-school, 80’s type of leader; an alpha dog who expects the same mental and physical effort that he brings daily. His teammates might not adore him like LeBron or Nash, but they respect him. And really that’s all you need as a leader of the franchise…respect. 9 – Kobe不是一個好隊友。 美國現在是進入了溫柔時代嗎?突然之間我們就期望我們的超級巨星們用感性的方式領 導全隊,溫柔對待每個人,好言好語,風趣,聯盟中每個人都愛他。 啊,他們還要是治癒系的,搞笑(但還要擺出一副‘我不是特意搞笑的,我就是這樣的’ 姿態),在Chuck E.Cheese開生日party,在和隊友拼酒的時候故意輸給他們。 Kobe不是那種人。上賽季我在播客裡聽到Ric Bucher關於這一問題的最好解答:Kobe不想 做你的朋友,他有足夠的自信來做一個領袖者,他盡全力追逐的只有一個目標:總冠軍。 你不會看到他帶領大家跳開場舞,也不會看到他領著一幫人打保齡。你看到的是一個老式 的,80年代的領袖,一個希望你能和他一樣付出同樣多肉體及精神上努力的領導者。 他的隊友們可能不會像LeBron或者Nash的那樣喜愛他,但他們尊敬他。這就是要成為一個 傳奇領袖你所需要的一切:尊敬。 8 – The Kobe Video Guys and Andrew Bynum. Everyone breaks out the summer of 2007 and reminds us of the time Kobe wanted out of LA. He was frustrated with the team’s direction and was worried that he would waste yet another season of his prime while the Lakers (and especially Jim Buss) wait for Andrew Bynum to develop. So he cracked… on camera to two douchebags who tried to go public with the video of him going off on Bynum in a parking lot. The KVG's became instant web stars/idiots that summer trying to cash in. (BTW – the KVG saga still cracks me up. A friend of mine actually got an “ exclusive” interview with them, meeting with them like some discreet back-alley drug deal. He actually had his bags searched!!!) Question, who was the starting center on the Lakers before the summer of 2007? Kwame Brown. The starting small forward? Luke Walton. Starting point guard? Smush Parker (yep, that guy). Look at the roster in 2007… you ’re telling me you wouldn’t go off to two dudes in some random parking lot in Orange County??? Kobe had to drop 65 points on Portland just to land a 7 seed in the playoffs and get rolled by Phoenix in 5. The guy had a VERY legitimate reason to go off. (BTW - The five worst words you'll ever hear, "Starting at guard, Smush Parker!") 8 - 停車場錄像帶事件及Andrew Bynum。 總有人提起2007年的夏天,提醒我們那時Kobe想要離開湖人。他對於球隊建設方向感到困 惑,擔心在湖人(尤其是Jim Buss)等待著Andrew Bynum成長的同時浪費自己的巔峰期。 所以他被兩個想出名的愚蠢的傢伙偷拍下了在停車場責罵Bynum的過程。 那兩個偷拍者在那個夏天迅速成為了網絡明星/白痴,想著因此而牟利。(BTW,這倆人至 今仍困擾著我,我的一個朋友得到了一個“獨家採訪”他們的機會,他們會面時就像是偷 偷摸摸的毒販交易一樣,他們甚至還搜查了他的背包!) 問題在於,在2007年夏天之前,誰是湖人的首發中鋒?Kwame Brown。首發小前鋒?Luke Walton。首發控衛?Smush Parker(沒錯,就是他)看看2007年名單吧,你覺得是你的話 不會抱怨嗎?Kobe在拓荒者頭上砍下了65分才得以以西部第七進到季後賽,與太陽卻被五 場清掃出局。這傢伙有十萬個該走的理由。(BTW,這將是你聽過最可怕的幾個字:“首 發後衛,Smush Parker!”) 7 – Kobe’s not as good as LeBron and now Dwyane Wade. The fact that a player, who was a rookie in 1997, is entering his 15th NBA season and has 1,219 regular season and playoff games under his belt is in the discussion as a top player in the NBA is amazing enough. Sure he’s not as explosive as he was in 2006, sure his knees are feeling the toll of a LONG NBA career and sure he might rest a little on D this year, but being 4th or 5th best is not too shabby. 7 - Kobe沒有LeBron及現在的Dwyane Wade出色。 事實是,一個將要進入到他第15個賽季,打了1219場常規賽及多場季後賽的96級新秀居然 還能讓許多人為他是否還是聯盟第一人打口水戰就已經很了不起了。他的確沒有2006年那 麼有爆發力了,他的膝蓋承受了漫長的NBA旅程,他今年在防守端肯定要休息休息,但排 在聯盟的前4前5還是沒有問題的。 6 – He ruined the Kobe – Shaq era. At least that’s how it was played out back in 2004. Both Shaquille O’Neal and Phil Jackson were gone and we all got the feeling that Kobe forced Jerry Buss’ hand as a free agent. He even threatened to leave for the Clippers if something wasn’t done! Either that’ s some serious bluffing or Kobe was extremely power hungry. But as time passed we learned that it was Jerry Buss pulling the strings all along. Shaq had maybe 2 or 3 quality years left in the tank yet he didn’t want to take a cut in salary, work out in the offseason or comfortably settle in the role of number 2 behind Kobe. He had to go and Buss was keen on starting over with a young, athletic and exciting team (read: no Triangle Offense). Early on things went from bad to worse as we all went through the Rudy T era (uggghhh) and watched Shaq raise a banner in Miami (double uggghhh). We always felt that Shaq and Kobe could go for a minimum eight-peat, but instead Shaq’s winning titles for Pat Riley of all people. Shaq eventually left Miami, Phoenix and Cleveland all in ruins. Coaches all got fired and some relationships were soured. Shaq and Wade are hardly on speaking terms and Shaq literally stole his idea of “Shaq versus” from Steve Nash (who later cut a deal to get in on the cash and have a producer’s title). Shaq burned bridges on so many teams that he had to settle for a veteran’s minimum with the Boston Celtics of all teams. As each day passes Shaq comes off at the insecure/jealous one who broke up the dynasty rather than Kobe. Jerry Buss broke up the team not Kobe and gambled on a new era (with some humble pie and Phil Jackson along the way) and won big time. 6 - 他破壞了OK組合。 至少在2004年的時候事情看起來是這樣的。Shaquille O'Neal和Phil Jackson都走了,我 們都覺得是Kobe以自由人的身份脅迫Jerry Buss做的決定。他甚至威脅說如果不做點什麼 的話,他就要去快艇。要不是虛張聲勢,要不然就是Kobe實在太渴望做球隊老大了。 但隨著時間流逝,我們漸漸發現,幕後黑手一直都是Jerry Buss。Shaq如果不是獅子大開 口、在休賽季忙忙碌碌,又或者甘於做Kobe的二當家的話,他也許還有2,3年的當打之年 。他必須得走,Buss著眼於建立的是一只年輕,富有活力,富有激情的隊伍(不打三角進 攻)。 在Rudy Tomjanovic來了之後事情開始變壞(啊啊啊啊啊啊),我們眼睜睜地看著Shaq在 熱火再度捧杯(啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊)。我們總覺得如果Shaq和Kobe聯手的話至少能拿 下八連冠,但現在我們卻看著Shaq為Pat Riley及其他人奪冠。 Shaq最後還是離開了熱火,去了太陽和騎士最後都不歡而散。教練換了一個又一個,他也 搞砸了與一個又一個球隊的關系。Shaq和Wade不搭腔了,他的“Shaq vs”其實是偷 Steve Nash的創意(後來Shaq賠了錢,並給了Nash一個製作人頭銜) Shaq搞砸了與那麼多球隊的關係,現在只能在超賽領老將底薪。年復一年,日復一日, Shaq的表現證實了他才是那個應為王朝覆滅承擔更多責任的缺乏安全感/嫉妒的人。 Jerry Buss拆散了球隊,而不是Kobe,他開啟了一個新時代(一點好運再加上Phil Jackson的協助)並贏得了榮耀。 5 – Kobe’s no longer a good defender. Age has caught up and Kobe is no longer the “shutdown corner” he once was. Yeah, but after 14 seasons who is. There are nights that Kobe plays free safety off his man doubling on the perimeter and playing the passing lanes. Scottie Pippen did this with the Bulls in the late 90’s. His length created havoc, tipping passes and causing a fair share of turnovers. Kobe’s doing the exact same thing. Plus, having Ron Artest as the defensive stopper allows Kobe to drop back and rest a little on D so he can take over late in games. And how did the work in 2009-10? Oh just 6 or 7 game winning jumpers depending on you look at it. But then there are those few nights where Kobe’s inner-competitor takes over and he ratchets up the defense and harkens back to the athletic days as No. 8. The best example was the Heat game last December. Wade and Kobe went at it all night with Kobe getting the final word with a …. (wait for it)….. sick game winning three at the buzzer. Kobe's hoops IQ allows him to realize his defensive limitations to where it won't hurt the team defense. Plus he gets by with experience and smarts to make up for the slower wheels. 5 - Kobe不再是一個優秀的防守者。 年齡逐漸增大,Kobe不再是曾經的那個“外線超級大鎖”了。是的,但他過去14個賽季裡 一直都是。無數個夜晚,Kobe在外線鎖住對手的同時還干擾傳球線路,完美地完成了自己 的防守任務。Scottie Pippen在90年代末的公牛就是這樣的,他利用自己的長臂製造混亂 ,破壞傳球迫使對方出現失誤。 Kobe現在做的就是這些。另外,有Ron Artest在防守端分擔他的壓力,Kobe就能在防守上 少操點心,專心接管比賽了。2009-10賽季他幹得如何?哎呀也沒什麼啦,不過就是有6, 7場比賽用跳投終結了比賽罷了。 但有些夜晚,那個內在的好鬥的Kobe跑了出來,他在防守端下了大力氣,活蹦亂跳地仿佛 又回到了8號時代。最佳例子就是去年12月與熱火的比賽。Wade與Kobe纏鬥了整場,最終 Kobe用3分絕殺。 Kobe的籃球智商讓他能夠清楚自身防守弱點何在,並不會拖累整隊防守。另外,當身體日 益衰退之時,他的經驗和智慧卻與日俱增。 4 – He’s not an engaging personality. It’s a weird criticism but we hear it occasionally. Kobe comes off a little forced. As I said before, he’s not MJ nor Steve Nash. Kobe comes from a sheltered childhood growing up in a foreign country. He’s all-basketball-all-day, sort of like a mad scientist who has no social skills. He’s Revenge of the Nerds but with a sick offensive game. Early in his career he tried to mimic the Jordan soundbites with the “I love a challenge!” and the same mannerisms. It just didn’t seem right. Now he breaks out the occasional joke but his smile and laugh doesn’t seem natural. My point… WHO CARES?!? The best personality in the room is the guy with the trophy, and Kobe has five titles, three All Star MVP’s, two Finals MVP’s and one league MVP. 4 - 他的性格不迷人。 這是一個多麼古怪的批評啊,但我們卻經常聽到它。Kobe是個偏執狂,就像我之前說的那 樣,他並不是MJ或者Steve Nash,Kobe在國外長大,只有籃球一直陪著他,他就像是一 個毫無社交能力可言的瘋狂科學家。他就是那《菜鳥大反攻》(1984版美國喜劇電影)裡 的人兒,只是有著超級變態的進攻火力。 在他的職業生涯早期,他試圖模仿Jordan,說著“我愛挑戰”,連小動作都一模一樣。這 不是他該做的事。現在他會講笑話了,但他的微笑及大笑都顯得不自然。 我的觀點是……誰在意這種東西啊!最佳特質應該是擁有各種獎杯,而Kobe有5座總冠軍 ,三座全明星MVP,2座Final MVP,以及一座例行賽MVP。 3 – Game 7 against Phoenix. This is the first of the red flag games that people break out in Kobe hating talk. Just what happened in game 7 of the 2006 playoffs against Phoenix? Kobe stopped shooting in the second half as the Lakers got blown out 121-90. The nation reacts, the FBI investigates, Charles Barkley calls out Kobe, Kobe comes on TNT to respond and then speaks in front of a congressional hearing… okay two of those did not happened. But remember the outrage? Remember the overall shock and horror? Suddenly the playoffs became the background to a “did Kobe tank?” storyline. Hey didn’t LeBron have a similar meltdown last season and the season before? Ask Cavs fans… okay maybe they’re not the ones to ask… ask Celtics fans, who just about wrote their team off after a blowout loss in Game 3 only to rally and destroy the will of the #1 seeded Cavs. Many experts claimed LeBron was not LeBron, hinting that he might have tanked or something else (???). But there was no national outrage, no Charles Barkley claiming LeBron quit, no appearances on TNT. Poof, like that it was gone. Let’s go back to 2006. Kobe and the Lakers came out flat after a truly gut-wrenching loss in Game 6. Remember, it was a last second Tim Thomas prayer that sent that game into overtime and an eventual Suns win. Kobe left it all out there in Game 6, throwing down a jaw-dropping 50 points in 52 minutes. It just wasn’t enough and the Lakers couldn’t overcome the shock of Thomas’s three. (BTW – we were THIS CLOSE to the same thing happening this year after Jason Richardson banked the three in Game 5. Ron-Ron saved us from deja vu all over again. Special thanks to Ron-Ron's therapist!) Anyway, the Lakers came out flat after a horrific loss and Kobe had nothing left in the emotional tank. Plain and simple. 3 - 06 playoff與太陽的G7。 這是當人們用來抨擊他時最愛提及的比賽之一。2006年季後賽與鳳凰城的G7究竟發生了什 麼?Kobe在下半節比賽中不再頻繁出手,湖人最終以90-121慘敗於太陽。全國震驚了, FBI介入了調查,Charles Barkley質問Kobe,Kobe上TNT做解釋並為此出席了聽證……好 吧,有兩個是我杜撰的。但還記得這些嗎?還記得當時的震驚與憤怒嗎?突然之間季後賽 就變成了討論“Kobe是否故意如此?”的背景。 我說,LeBron上賽季及上上賽季不也幹過同樣的事麼。去問問騎士球迷……好吧他們不適 合被問……問問超賽球迷吧,是誰在G3的慘痛失利後輕視了他們,結果卻反而激起他們的 鬥志,摧毀了騎士自身的信心?許多專家都聲稱LeBron表現不同尋常,暗示著他也許是受 傷了又或者其他一些原因(你懂得……)。但他卻沒有引起全國的廣泛轟動,沒有 Charles Barkley來指責LeBron放棄比賽,他也沒上TNT。唔...一切就像沒發生過一樣。 讓我們回到2006年。Kobe以及湖人們在G6的失利真的很遺憾。還記得嗎,是Tim Thomas最 後一秒的投籃將比賽拖入加時最終太陽勝出。Kobe在G6全力以赴,52分鐘內砍下了50分。 但這些卻並不夠,湖人無法從Thomas的打擊中恢復過來。(BTW - 在Jason RichardsonG5 的那記3分之後,我們差點就重蹈覆轍了。Ron-Ron拯救了我們,特別感謝送給Ron-Ron的 心理醫生!)不管怎麼說,湖人受了極大打擊,Kobe毫無再戰的情緒。就是這麼簡單。 2 – Colorado. You can’t have any Kobe discussion without bringing up what did or did not happen in Eagle, Colorado. This is kryptonite to any Kobe fan. And really there’s no proper response when someone talks about it. How you feel about Kobe the person is how you feel about the situation. Yet, nobody outside of Kobe and the girl really knows what happens. Kobe haters will claim rape and cover-up; Kobe defenders will claim groupie and setup. It’s that simple and there’s really nothing more to say. Let’s move on, I’m starting to get depressed…. 2 - 鷹郡事件。 任何一個關於Kobe的討論不可避免地要觸及鷹郡那檔事。這對任何一個科迷來說都是必殺 技。當有人提及的時候任何回應都是不恰當的。你覺得Kobe是怎樣的就是你對待這事的態 度。除了Kobe和那女孩之外沒有一個人知道究竟發生了什麼。反科迷會說是強奸和掩蓋真 相;科迷們則會說他是清白的、是被陷害的。就是這麼簡單,沒有什麼好多說的。讓我們 接著討論下一個吧,我有點惆悵了…… 1 – Game 7 in the 2010 NBA Finals. This one is right back at you Boston Sportsguy. Kobe goes an abysmal 6 for 24 from the field in the ultimate decider: a Game 7 in the NBA Finals between the Lakers and Celtics. 6 for 24, 6 for 24, 6 for 24, that’s all we hear. Is Kobe, the ultimate fearless competitor, really a big choke artist in disguise? Does he have to turn in his 2010 Finals MVP like it’s a Heisman Trophy? Come on! Kobe had a brutal shooting percentage in a highly emotional, highly charged, defensive battle. It was a straight up ugly game. The two greatest franchises in NBA history going at it, what else did you expect. Kobe knew his legacy was on the line (in some people’s minds) and he gripped the trigger way too tightly. He was, like everyone else out there not named Ron Artest (again, big ups to his therapist!), too charged up. The best audio from the game is Phil Jackson indirectly speaking to Kobe in a 4th quarter timeout, asking the team to relax. He may as well slapped Kobe in the face screaming, “just relax…. RELAX!!!” But Phil being Phil looked over the troops and calmly asked everyone to calm down. The reaction? Kobe hit the boards HARD and pulled down 15 rebounds. People forget just how impressive that stat is. Here we are in the third quarter; the Lakers are down big with their superstar struggling on offense. Both teams are going at it and every possession is a very. very slow grind. Smash-mouth basketball if you will. Kobe finds a way to contribute and get his head back into the game by hitting the defensive boards. Finally the Celtics started to wear down and the Lakers found just enough offense to take the lead and eventually the 2010 NBA title. These are the moments that really separate the superstars from the rest of the pack. Here is Kobe Bryant in the biggest moment of his basketball life and his offense simply leaves him. Instead of looking for a place to run and hide, Kobe found a way to contribute and even dominate by hitting the defensive glass. Again, a shooting guard was the second highest rebounder in the game with 15! Michael Jordan gets a ton of credit for finding a way to beat the Pacers in Game 7 of the 1998 Eastern Conference Finals. He was fading down the stretch; a year of carrying the Bulls after back-to-back titles finally wore him down. Instead, he drove the lane and forced the Pacers to put him on the line, finding a way to contribute despite an off night from the field. What did MJ shoot in that game? A bland 9 for 25 from the field and 10 of 15 from the freethrow line. Yet we never hear about how MJ struggled in Game 7, instead he’s hailed as a true champion. Kobe did the exact same thing, just on the defensive boards. Game 7 wasn’t a reason to prevent Kobe from getting the Finals MVP, rather it was THE REASON to give him the MVP. 1 - 2010總決賽的G7。 這一條是特別回應你們的,波士頓媒體們。Kobe在與波士頓的G7中僅有糟糕的24中6, 24中6,24中6,24中6,我們聽到的全是這些。Kobe,這個無所畏懼的戰士,難道是偽裝 情緒大師嗎?難道他不應得到這個FMVP嗎? 拜托!在這場高度緊張,充滿了強硬對抗的比賽中Kobe的命中率是不怎樣,這是場互相纏 鬥的醜陋的比賽。NBA歷史上兩支最偉大的球隊在了結他們的恩怨史,你還指望怎樣? Kobe知道自己的歷史地位很大程度將取決於此(在某些人眼中),所以他心裡那根弦繃的 過緊了。就像場上其他人——除了Ron Artest(再一次,感謝他的心理醫生!)那樣,太 過緊張。本場比賽的最佳聲音來自Phil Jackson在第四節的暫停中,非直接地對Kobe,而 是對整個湖人隊說,放輕鬆。他本可以衝著Kobe大喊:“給我輕鬆點……放輕鬆!!”但 Phil卻就像Phil會做的那樣,看了看所有人,冷靜地告訴他們,輕鬆點。 效果如何?Kobe努力衝搶著籃板,他搶下了15個籃板。人們卻忘記了這個數據有多可貴。 讓我們回到第三節,湖人由於他們的超級巨星正陷入進攻低潮而大比分落後。兩支隊伍都 在拼防守,不管哪次攻守都很膠著。Kobe找到了為球隊貢獻及掌控比賽的另一方式,他不 斷地搶下後場籃板。終於超賽支撐不住了,而湖人的手感也慢慢回升,最終贏下了2010的 總冠軍。 這就是把超級巨星們與普通球員區分開來的地方。Kobe Bryant當時正處於籃球生涯中最 重大的時刻,他的手感卻很冷。他沒有挖個地洞鑽進去,而是找到了為球隊做貢獻甚至是 掌控比賽的另種方法:搶下防守籃板。再一次的,一個SG卻拿到了整場比賽第二高的籃板 數:15個! Michael Jordan在98年對陣溜馬的東部決賽的時候也是另辟蹊徑的。他當時面對著強大的 壓力:兩連冠之後帶領公牛衝擊三連冠讓他累壞了。命中率不佳時他選擇了一次又一次地 往裡突破,讓步行者不得不讓他一次又一次地站上罰球線。他那場比賽的命中率如何? 25中9,罰球15中10。然而我們卻從未聽說過MJ在第7場比賽中掙扎,他被冠以“真正的冠 軍”的頭銜。 Kobe做了同樣的事情,他把精力更多的放到了防守端。G7不是他不應拿到Final MVP的理 由,相反,G7正是他應該拿到Final MVP的佐證。 http://ppt.cc/KF9s 由 Evenni 發表在HoopChina·湖人專區 http://bbs.hoopchina.com/lakers -- 作者用心良苦,大伙進攻囉!!! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.160.136.251
stocktonty :此地無銀三百兩 09/21 13:56
tangent25 :29 09/21 13:59
psychoF :完了.. 09/21 14:00
williams55 :哩馬幫幫忙 連我阿罵都比你卡磝 09/21 14:00
Jotarun :先補血好了XD 09/21 14:00
rabbit190 :放血,都你覺得就好。 09/21 14:03
camuskiroro :總結三句:1不是我們搞的 2都是他們搞的 3I dont care 09/21 14:04
tkrover :才10點.. 09/21 14:05
yobi :這篇根本在婊kobe... 09/21 14:05
TaksNo7 :從來沒看過其他球星需要有人幫他們寫這種東西的 09/21 14:05
camuskiroro : (湖迷orKobe) (Shaq Buss....) 09/21 14:05
CarlosArroyo:但他的微笑及大笑都顯得不自然 - 有點同感…orz 09/21 14:06
xstunx :他就素那《菜鳥大反攻》 ...這那一國中文 09/21 14:07
Jotarun :這篇10大戰點今年NBA真的都看到爛了...XD 09/21 14:07
※ 編輯: cat0806 來自: 118.160.136.251 (09/21 14:09)
ticso : 聖光術!! 09/21 14:09
Kiri1enko :反串不得不推 09/21 14:12
ymca900 :科仙是擺在心裡尊敬的! 09/21 14:15
heyjude0929 :總結:千錯萬錯 都不是Kobe的錯 09/21 14:18
violing613 :很久以前在大陸HC看過翻譯 09/21 14:18
dosomethnig :小砲高潮了 09/21 14:20
hydra6716 :好久沒戰Kobe了 09/21 14:20
My1979 :高級反串文! 09/21 14:20
chenlansue :"Starting at guard, Smush Parker!" XD 09/21 14:22
nwohippo :1.2010總決賽的G7 FMVP:裁判 09/21 14:25
qmqmqm :還敢提2010的G7啊..... 09/21 14:28
loquito :G7經典阿 最後一擊居然是Rondo 三分 09/21 14:31
NTUjesus :大夥進攻囉~~ 09/21 14:32
lightsoldier:這篇有夠戰 XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 09/21 14:33
ymca900 :上面數據文章才好玩 141名好帥XD 09/21 14:35
foolpig1234 :首發 09/21 14:37
DKGodman :LBJ GOGO 09/21 14:37
bjzx5 :因為這球員的球迷素質低 故按2 09/21 14:41
access7310 :高級反串文! 09/21 14:42
boshrush :好文章 應該收精華區 讚!!! 09/21 14:46
goyt2100 :沒提到kobe在丹佛的事蹟 失敗! 09/21 14:46
rayensighner:天天都在戰KOBE哪沒戰.. 09/21 14:46
ellis0102 :高級反串文! 09/21 14:48
andy556638 :喔 09/21 14:49
CCFACE :NASH怎麼都不用澄清什麼...怎麼只有他要...噓作者 09/21 14:49
hok :因為反kobe的球迷素質低落,故按1 09/21 14:57
kobejo4 :這版需要更高級的釣客 09/21 15:00
tacos :打哈欠 09/21 15:14
Non :推 09/21 15:15
bjzx5 :沒創意只會學別人的回文 可笑 09/21 15:19
s9220140 :有勇者要轉湖板嗎? 09/21 15:24
Non :Smush Parker: 今晚我和kobe兩人聯手得了81分 09/21 15:31
ted0713 :無聊 09/21 15:32
darren800922: 09/21 15:32
Isoroku5566 :回的好爛 讓人更質疑Kobe 09/21 15:39
windofjacky :反串文成功! 09/21 15:47
alsou :做到之後再來嘴砲 09/21 15:55
ymca900 :緊張大師這稱號 kobe又要從大范手中接過去了嗎 09/21 15:55
louis152334 :第9項@@ 中肯 09/21 16:03
kobejo4 :看到一堆人崩潰了 09/21 16:04
ymca900 :這版需要更高級的仙迷 09/21 16:09
cockroachsos:戰不太起來... 09/21 16:31
def24 :哈 09/21 16:57
LLN858 :他不比喬丹出色阿!很多東西不是只看帳面成積 09/21 17:02
freijaking :一樓就講完了我們要推啥 棍 09/21 17:05
darren800922: 09/21 17:08
RealGarden :.. 09/21 17:12
tna :只會抹黑 台灣需要更有素質的鄉民 09/21 17:14
harddaynight:某個紅衣光頭只會靠史騰 我們家老大才是最棒的 09/21 17:16
van2003 :這篇寫的不錯啊! 老實講並沒有捧高KOBE 09/21 17:18
ab2326764 :其中幾點講得還不錯阿 "有些"噓的大概是未看先高潮 09/21 17:35
pett :地球上出現了喬丹這個BUG 對以後的SG來說真的是沉重 09/21 17:37
pett :幸好喬丹只會打球 眼光其爛無比 要不然當總管在強下 09/21 17:38
pett :去 就不公平了 09/21 17:38
kaku216 :KOBE比LBJ好太多了 09/21 17:46
susy88kent :噁 09/21 17:55
hope452162 :反串的很成功 09/21 18:14
dollyyoung :寫得不錯阿 09/21 18:32
PPPBEAR : 09/21 18:50
rexmailtsay :好多人噓喔XD 09/21 19:01
heavenmoon :kobe鷹郡了 09/21 19:32
peter331 :double uggghhh 09/21 19:32
vity :把他偽裝在籃球裡 09/21 19:43
kerry0496x :這篇到湖版大概都會戰@@ 09/21 19:55
Double2 :這篇還真的蠻自以為的 kobe沒這麼弱 09/21 20:03
a76842388 :完了 這篇是英文 AIR表示: 09/21 20:07
kuyoroshi :開噓啦 09/21 20:44
supersax :XD 用心文推一個..話說"鷹郡"是甚麼意思@ @?? 09/21 21:05
cloud701002 :鷹郡就是去修練就能成仙的一個地方 09/21 21:34
fausto94315 :Q 09/21 21:47
pursue2 :真的很沒說服力 第一點投不進不會不要投? 09/21 21:57
pursue2 :一定要試手感 不投會死嗎? 09/21 21:57
TaksNo7 :樓上你不懂 試問惟有一投的kobe不投籃在場上還能幹麻 09/21 22:09
homechen1990:好文 09/21 22:20
ttttted :沒有02年G6...失敗 09/21 22:22
mcbirdy :屌啦!  09/21 22:34
littleeex :看了很爽 09/21 22:51
MAIORI :真的沒有什麼影響@@ 09/21 23:11
theclgy2001 :我只知道他沒有GASOL和大歐 他只會空有個人數據 09/21 23:12
harrissmart :我相信這篇 我就傻的跟狗 一樣 09/21 23:13
def24 :噓真多 還好推更多 繼續酸吧 哈哈哈 09/21 23:17
emeraldisle :OH PI 09/21 23:21
ponguy :真是優質好文 09/21 23:23
kjeremy :一堆白癡 慢慢自high吧 kobe不需要你們的支持 快噓 09/21 23:26
DRUIDMOSHU :樓上這樣...沒問題嗎?XDD 09/21 23:39
Jotarun :應該是不ok.. XD 09/21 23:47
yellowboy :@@! 來了~他們來了 09/22 00:02
pinkmoney :2下去了啦~ 09/22 00:58
dkjirh :酸民還是照噓不誤 09/22 01:33
MMNICE :科迷還是照推不誤 09/22 01:44
yungfan :路人還是照看不誤 09/22 01:58
Jefa910 :罵很大只好噓 09/22 02:11
NuCat :寫的很好啊~ 噓的人實在是....... 09/22 03:06
graben :竟然傻傻的看了 ========其實重點就是那十句======== 09/22 04:19
qq955166 :還好我沒看完就噓了 09/22 07:10
lonelysam :科迷繼續取暖吧= = 09/22 07:18
jamesuper :補 09/22 08:38
leoyain :酸迷噓酸迷的科迷推科迷的 但能笑到最後的永遠是科迷 09/22 08:44
tkrover :酸迷要噓的是科迷 09/22 09:11
dakkk :感謝這篇幫整理出十條 09/22 11:59
rexmailtsay :推 tkrover :酸迷要噓的是科迷 針對性真高 09/22 12:03
mnmnqq :除了6.7還蠻中肯阿XD 09/22 12:45
ojo32 :好文 09/22 12:53
joveryant :推~..~ 09/22 13:12
pc2990 :GOOD 09/22 13:38
laba7788529 :純噓強爆了的摳比 09/22 13:39
roger744 :凹的超爛 弱的像是反串;對科科有利的就忽略掉更強的 09/22 14:24
roger744 :人 對科科不利的就拖其他也不好的出來鞭。你遮住眼睛 09/22 14:25
roger744 :只看好的地方 這樣全聯盟有誰是不強的? 09/22 14:25
iversonMARS :好文 09/22 15:14
cktmac :好文 讓大家看看科迷嘴臉 09/22 15:39
dioib :有完沒完... 09/22 16:42
iso903306 :今年最中肯的專欄!! 09/22 18:02
BlowJob :GRE最新考題 Kobe (v) ______________ (←請做答) 09/22 18:41
howerd11 :KOBE強姦是真是假?? 09/25 07:23