[新聞] Steam正在禁止有著太年輕角色的色情遊戲

[wizardfizban (瘋法師)]

Steam Is Banning Sex Games With Young-Looking Characters
https://tinyurl.com/ybh4zgyo

These days, anything goes on Steam, but not anything anything. If games are “
illegal, or straight up trolling,” Valve says it’ll send them packing. In
the past, that’s meant low-effort games with titles like Big Dick and MILF,
achievement spam, and certain sex games.

Now, according to some developers, Valve is going after games that feature
themes of “child exploitation,” which it seems to define, at least in part,
as games with sex scenes or nudity where the characters are in high school.

Over the past few weeks, the company has removed the store pages of several
visual novels, including cross-dressing yaoi romance Cross Love, catholic
school adult visual novel Hello Goodbye, “story about the love between
siblings” (yuck) Imolicious, and cat girl game MaoMao Discovery Team. The
developers of these games all claim to have received similar emails stating
that their games could not be released on Steam.

“While we can ship most titles on Steam, we found that this one does feature
themes of child exploitation,” read the email received by Top Hat Studios,
makers of Cross Love. “Because of that, the app has been banned and cannot
be reused.”

There are a couple ties that bind the games in question: 1) Cross Love, Hello
Goodbye, and Imolicious feature school settings, and 2) all four of the
aforementioned games contain adult elements and center around anime-styled
characters who appear young—in some cases uncomfortably so. However, their
developers have taken to protesting the bans on social media, saying that
their games have been misunderstood. They all claim they’ve reached out to
Valve since receiving their bans, only to be met with silence.

Cross Love’s developers say they’ve taken great pains to ensure that their
game demonstrates, on multiple occasions, that its students are of age. This
includes scenes where they peruse 18+ manga and are ID-ed before being
allowed into an adult bookstore.

“These scenes aren’t there to be artificially shoehorned in, and while they
do exist as further proof of characters’ ages (beyond the disclaimer in the
beginning that explicitly states them as being 18), the real reason they’re
there is to further many of the themes in the story,” said developer Top Hat
to Kotaku in a Twitter DM, pointing out that it’s tried to contact Valve
with this information six separate times, to no avail. “A large chunk of the
story is about accepting who you are, being comfortable with yourself, and
altogether similar themes within a type of coming of age-style love story,
which isn’t really seen in most yaoi games.”

“While we can ship most titles on Steam, we found that this one does feature
themes of child exploitation.”
Other games are more questionable. Imolicious’ developer claims there aren’
t “any children” in the game, but it revolves around school girls. When I
pointed out that most school girls are, by definition, children, developer
Yume Creations replied in a DM: “High school students aren’t children, they
are teenager[s].” Most teenagers in high school are still minors, so that
rationale doesn’t really hold water. The developer also noted, however, that
“in [the] case of Imolicious, I added a disclaimer that all characters [are]
over 18 like you can see in most visual novels.”

They’re not wrong: This is a trend among visual novels featuring adult
material—and more broadly among “loli” anime, which tends to feature
suspiciously young-looking women who are said to be over 18. But while some
take these declarations at face value, others view them as obvious (and
creepy) fig leaves.

“Having a disclaimer stating that a drawing is of consensual age or not is a
ridiculous thing to rely upon,” said one user in a Steam forum thread
discussing MaoMao Discovery Team’s legality. “At the end of the day, it is
a fictional drawing that does not have an age. If you think they look too
young, then they are too young. A bit of text saying ‘this person is 20'
changes nothing.”

Which brings us to the heart of the matter: It’s Valve’s store, and what it
says goes. If someone at Valve decides characters look too young, then they’
re too young. Top Hat, however, believes there’s a double standard at play
here, not unlike the one some developers felt they’d fallen victim to before
Valve officially allowed uncensored sex games on Steam. Other games that
feature young-looking characters, school settings, and romantic/sexual
themes, like Nekopara Extra, Sakura Sakura, A Piece Of Wish Upon The Stars,
and Material Girl, are all still on Steam, Top Hat pointed out.

Kotaku reached out to Valve to ask about the rationale behind banning certain
games, but has yet to hear back.

Imolicious developer Yume Creations says it’s given up on trying to get the
game on Steam, opting instead to release an uncensored version on internet
hentai capital Fakku. In a Steam post, MaoMao’s developers made it sound
like they, too, are throwing in the towel. But while Top Hat has put Cross
Love up on other stores like Itch.io and Nutaku, it’s still giving Steam the
old hopefully-at-least-college-age try.

“Steam is a major service, and we had hundreds of players looking forward to
buying the game there upon release,” Top Hat said. “The game had wishlists
in the thousands, and the community group had several hundred people in it.
This is a very large userbase to lose out on, and it hurts us pretty bad. It’
s not world ending, but it is quite the end of the year blow.”

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關鍵字：Child Exploitation 兒童削剝

所以Cross Love、Hello Goodbye、MaoMao Discovery Team這些遊戲才會被刪除頁面。

兒童削剝呀！不意外就是了，這在美國是逆鱗級的議題。

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           我的故事充滿了混亂而又難以察覺的陰影，充滿了瘋狂和噩夢，
                    和那些不再自欺欺人地生活的人們一樣。
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→ danielqdq: 貓娘都幾歲啊
→ inconspicous: 都設定18歲不就好了
沒用，原文是用 Young-looking。看起來太年輕就不行，他才不管你設定幾歲。

→ Sasamumu: 火車？
噓 ilovetaylor: 唉 世界末日
→ yuminlin: 二次元也在管,太誇張
推 sdfsonic: 擊潰蘿莉控
推 trollfrank: MaoMao Discovery Team不錯 很可愛的放置小品
→ yao7174: 這個可以理解啦 其實
→ spfy: 火車出軌惹
→ crazypeo45: 這個不管真的會被抄家的
推 Sasamumu: 我也覺得合理，人家做生意的
推 Luos: 我難過
→ Sasamumu: 只是火車我看QQ
推 abc55322: 可是對他們來說日式畫風全都是
重點在於色情遊戲中不能有太蘿莉太正太的角色，如果不是色情遊戲就沒差。

推 s32244153: 不要動到熟女就好
推 inconspicous: 槍彈v3該禁了
推 frank8233: 禁止兒童色情本來就是天經地義啊 喜歡現實幼女噁心
→ tennyleaz: SJW根本新法西斯
推 angel2210: Cross Love 是什麼遊戲啊
Yaoi，就是BL向色情遊戲呀！

推 kamisun: 千年蘿啊
推 grandzxcv: 生理閹割 精神閹割 然後社會案件就發生了
推 eric80520: 這個還好啦 以閃亂的畫風來看 的確偏幼吧 但也不是所有
→ eric80520: 日系看起來都這樣阿
→ kamisun: 人家1000歲早就超過18歲，這樣還能算兒童？
→ gekisen: 和下面那篇一起看格外諷刺
推 z5x123456: 完了，病嬌模擬器就算開發完成也沒平台了。
噓 zjes40604: SJW嘔嘔嘔嘔嘔
推 a75091500: 有夠煩，一下說可以一下說不行，當創作者的時間都不是
→ a75091500: 時間？
→ a75091500: 我們社團做HG的，真的會被這些SJW搞瘋，氣死。
steam開放色情遊戲但可沒說兒童色情可以......

steam敢開放這個就是準備放棄美國巿場。

推 hayate232: 不要說兒童剝削，兒童暴力 歐美也是禁止的
→ hayate232: 當初屍體派對 因為有兒童慘死畫面 都不能再twitch播
推 hutten: 可以理解
→ Alwen: 兒童色情在西方超逆鱗XD
→ hayate232: 不過YT 對屍體派對就睜一隻眼閉一隻眼
推 dolphintail: 之前沒說過兒童色情可以吧，一直都不行
※ 編輯: wizardfizban (1.165.33.18), 12/08/2018 09:27:44
→ hayate232: 沒說可以，是成人遊戲可以上架但不代表兒童情色可以
→ Alwen: 要兒童色情作品要往日本拉，西方這塊完全死透
噓 corlos: 日本實在太變態蘿莉控了
→ GOBS: 我比較好奇看起來未成年的標準到底是啥?
→ SaberMyWifi: 還是日本好
→ hacker725x: 日:2D蘿隨便你但AV要打碼  美:AV當然無碼但2D蘿不可以
→ rainxo6p: 火車和茂伸這2個沒事就好（？
推 xephon: 當SJW抄蘿莉控的時候不說話，等到...
噓 lowcrazy1744: 到底在崩潰甚麼 本來就該禁 那些喜歡兒童色情的應該
→ lowcrazy1744: 都要抓起來判刑
推 dos32408: 靠現在是火車出軌了是不是…
噓 a75091500: 對歐美來說日系就直接被任兒童色情啊，幹他媽的又不是
→ a75091500: 。真的智障
噓 violegrace: 禁兒童色情不乾SJW的事吧 本來就大忌不是?
推 abc55322: 他們的兒童不是JS，是JK==
推 crazypeo45: 那neko%%你要怎麼解釋 就只因為加個獸耳就過關嗎? LUL
推 leamaSTC: 兒童色情禁止是OK啦 但看起來像就不行真的很靠北
→ leamaSTC: 有些擦邊球 畫個蘿說這18歲 被禁就算了
→ leamaSTC: 啊幹歐米人看日本動畫都覺得人人未成年啊
推 Giroro813: 「看起來」所以這個認定標準是以什麼為準?
推 Hsu1025: 畫個幼女硬說18歲以上本來就很北七 不然你就別沾色
推 r85270607: 智障SJW這麼有正義感怎不去搶救真實世界中發生的童婚
→ r85270607: 雛妓與童工呢
噓 RaXePhOnZeRo: 到底是多想要做兒童色情…，擋這個不是天經地義，
→ RaXePhOnZeRo: 難不成還要人家背書啊？
→ kaj1983: 你可以畫個成年人然後說她是10歲啊
推 abc55322: 就是所有的日式畫風阿，又不是第一天講這個
推 shinobunodok: 一群假掰
→ r85270607: 躲安全圈找二次元打靶就覺得自己有表現的SJW真噁心
→ kaj1983: 這樣幹起來超爽的不好嗎？有成熟的肉體，但只有10歲耶
→ bitalk: %貓是有額外patch的關係吧
→ leamaSTC: 你畫個老阿罵 設定寫十歲一樣不行好嗎
推 r85270607: 先讓我看完原文先 如過已是r18還搞這個就不太ok了
推 cefywo: 好想跟小女孩瘋狂做愛
推 krit1009: 肥宅看那些二次元真的很噁
推 speed7022: 外國的守備區域，甚至可以到成人跟高中生談戀愛就被認
→ speed7022: 為不行，老實說範圍是真的很廣的
→ r85270607: 但普向賣廢萌與擦邊球也要管就太寬了
推 imega: 蘿莉超騷的
推 ysanderl: 奇怪的性癖早滿天飛了 結果還是要禁蘿莉 算了 高興就好
推 tikusa844: 支持 想看蘿莉的不要用steam看不就好了= =
→ tikusa844: 奇怪的性癖跟戀童癖根本兩碼子事
推 siro0207: 這類議題又不是第一天才有 一堆人少見多怪
推 RaXePhOnZeRo: 有空撂狠話，何不趕快去找個認為"不假掰"的自由平台
→ RaXePhOnZeRo: ？何必一直盧steam，要不是有很大的法律風險誰沒事
→ RaXePhOnZeRo: 花力氣管這個
推 louis0724: 很多日遊都硬設定18歲感覺超好笑XD
推 ysanderl: 是啊 說穿了 steam沒有就pornhub直接咕狗 直接看就好了
推 jhshen15: 應該分國家禁止吧
推 ysanderl: 再怎麼禁這類需求依舊存在 頂多就是沒遊戲就看本子而已
→ kaj1983: 樓上你該不會以為現在的google和10幾年前的google一樣？
→ kaj1983: 有問題的東西早就不的出現在搜尋結果裡了
推 a502152000: 西方價值正常運轉 這部分還是給日本發揮吧
→ ga2006221985: 兒童色情不行合理啊，但是看起來太年輕的定義不就
→ ga2006221985: 跟Sony現在要針對日本動漫風遊戲一樣= = 對歐美來
→ ga2006221985: 說每個都碼很年輕，明明就自己保線期短
→ ga2006221985: 保鮮啦
推 crazypeo45: 但歐美對於非人的守備範圍非常大 俄亥俄州就是受害者
→ ga2006221985: 真的不要以為只有畫蘿莉會被禁，等等跟你說這個JK
→ ga2006221985: 或JD在我們歐美看來頂多小六或國中也禁= =
推 sharkshana: 當SJW禁止一切色情時  才會有人緬懷過去
推 ysanderl: https://i.imgur.com/cN2ullF.png 大概以後都得自己拼吧
→ ysanderl: 讓玩家自己用模擬器組合出喜歡的蘿莉角色當角色之類的
噓 Timberlake: 獸控也禁好了不然現實一堆人獸交
推 xupgsj: 所以誰來定義這個「看起來」呢？
推 thundelet: ㄌㄌㄎ崩潰
推 shandon: 這樣一禁方糖社柚子社都一堆不能上了XD
推 LipaCat5566: 火車我可以理解 美國就不能了真的太扯
噓 bc007004: 又是死老美，他X的白宮欠人裝炸彈嗎？
→ thaleschou: QAQ 現在下載來得及嗎（？
推 guogu: 歐美這一點沒辦法啦 那邊可是光持有都有可能出事的地方
→ dos32408: doa6是不是完了？那個瑪莉蘿絲…
推 asd88552233: 好了啦ㄌㄌㄎ，給你尻還要嫌啊
推 thaleschou: 會不會有一天變成自由也是禁忌，連搜尋都找不到
→ a204a218: 但歐美人太年輕的標準和亞洲根本不一樣啊
推 simon0131: steam的平台 就是steam定義阿
→ simon0131: 本來就不能定義的太死 一堆人想鑽漏洞
推 yao7174: steam歐美起家的 用歐美定義正常啊
→ w3160828: 亞洲人就算50歲在歐美人眼裡都是蘿莉體
→ ga2006221985: 有些歐美人跑到亞洲找小隻馬就是想%蘿莉又怕犯法啊
推 JJJJoe: 「看起來」這個標準也太自由心政了吧
推 Vere: 支持
→ laytomall: 何時steam把自己也禁掉
推 lanjack: 他敢禁我就去檢舉瑪莉螺絲，要死一起死
推 gameking16: 蘿莉真的無法
推 rxsmalllove: 我比較意外steam原本有出 這類型的應該都要另找管道
→ rxsmalllove: 吧
推 r85270607: valve風向一直變來變去的
→ r85270607: 一開始很謹慎 或是只有排毒版上架的都很自制
→ dorydoze: 亞洲人都碼看起來比較幼
噓 RabbitHorse: 禁止看二次元蘿莉本就像是叫甲甲不能肛交只能看BL本
→ RabbitHorse: 一樣  管到天邊去了
推 greg90326: 重點在標準怎麼認定吧... 自由心證還是靠電腦辨識?
噓 orange0319: 歐美人看起來的young looking，會不會連現在日漫正常
→ orange0319: 的大姐姐JK.大學生也覺得young？
推 gm79227922: 歐美18以下就是Child Fucker
推 a204a218: 這種一直以來都是自由心證啊，說你是你就是
推 shampoopoo: 各位，徵求有志之士一起來做個與80路女孩兒談戀愛的ga
→ shampoopoo: lgame
推 Jimmy030489: 亞洲大學生看起來好幼 出局
→ Jimmy030489: 特殊性癖者 出局
→ s540421: 私人平臺你管他怎樣認定young-looking,不爽不要用，去找
→ s540421: 更開放自由的平臺啊
推 iwinlottery: dlsite dmm表示欣慰
→ oldzen: 犯罪預備軍
推 kinomon: 管這個是有科學根據嗎?
→ ChengYan0611: 歐美20幾歲看起來就跟40幾一樣難怪會覺得亞洲都是
→ ChengYan0611: 蘿莉zzzz
推 gfhnrtjpoiuy: 政治正確魔人該高潮了
推 Becuzlove: 歐美有夠噁心www
推 angryfatball: 禁止兒童色情沒什麼啊！但是問題是禁止的標準如果
→ angryfatball: 太自由心證，連JK都算兒童就...(ry
→ Jay0924: 路還長
推 GPX2020: 別忘了日系一堆角色根本是拿JK年齡下去設定的 火燒起來
→ GPX2020: 一樣出局 進一步說SJW當初可是連電影的上床運鏡都可以
推 anumber: G胖也被SJW打倒了嗎
→ GPX2020: 吵成說是男性凝視物化女性 讓這些極端人士坐大將來呵呵
推 a204a218: 管到創作就太假掰了啊，遊戲裡大家不也天天在殺人，難道
→ a204a218: 殺人比較不嚴重嗎
推 anumber: 暴力血腥>>色情 懂
推 Blazeleo819: 兒童色情在歐美本來就是大忌,他們保守派的更反
推 siyaoran: 每次都會有人說怎麼不去救現實中的兒童而在禁止創作物
→ siyaoran: 阿誰說人家沒在救的XD
推 frank0927: 阿就要禁人的國家對兒童施暴的案件數比被他們要求禁的
→ frank0927: 國家高啊
→ as80110680: 管二次元根本就笑話，連受害者都沒有，是想保護誰?
→ ga2006221985: 有救結果案件還一堆結果全部怪到ACG頭上真的很好笑
推 a204a218: 就柿子挑軟的吃啊，他有種說因為校園槍擊案頻發所以以
→ a204a218: 後遊戲禁止出現槍械嗎
推 siyaoran: 案件數比較高(X) 比較會通報(O)
→ Koyomiiii: 88888
推 justeat: DOA瑪莉羅斯表示
→ siyaoran: 台灣鼓勵對小孩家暴削剝的法治下 就是鬼父虐童一堆
推 jiaching: 推  兒童色情真的超噁心
推 ZealZhang: 笑死人 你乾脆說犯罪率高的地方都是比較會通報的地方算
→ ZealZhang: 了
推 Nravir: 蘿莉控崩潰
推 Nravir: 畫個巨乳大性感姐姐不就沒事情了= =，硬要畫幼女幹嘛
→ ga2006221985: 重點是你的巨乳大姐姐在歐美的標準是巨乳蘿莉
→ ga2006221985: 不要以為歐美跟亞洲標準一樣只禁幼女，那邊非幼女
→ ga2006221985: 標準我看只有臉上有皺紋的才不是幼女
推 s654231: 小火車開著開著也能翻車 馬的
推 taiautumn: http://i.imgur.com/nFEjDqh.jpg
→ taiautumn: 快下架巫師3阿
→ okitekawa: 二次元圈就最好欺負的啊 宅男自己都在內鬥
→ okitekawa: 還一副讓外人管來管去都沒差的樣子
推 siyaoran: 內鬥XDD 那像甲圈一樣團結好不好? 外人是啥? 非人類?
→ okitekawa: 就非宅啊 我講得很難懂嗎 話說團結有什麼不好
→ okitekawa: 誰知道是不是之後也要禁怪性癖或是其他犯罪題材
→ okitekawa: 我看打藥、迷姦的也先禁一禁 以免宅男仿效==
→ xephon: 有可能，以後只有純愛，而且日系畫風大概要人妻類才算成年
→ xephon: JK本來就未成年本來就Out了
推 alonelykid: 畫個蘿莉說他20歲開搞可以嗎
推 r85270607: 我會說你愛搞就搞 反正我是不會去支持的 廠商自然會改
推 DarkHolbach: 人類的法律還滿有趣的，高中生年紀能做愛但是不能被
→ DarkHolbach: 畫做愛
→ AmirHalgal: 美國這種嘴唸經 手摸奶的偽善行為就跟護家盟一樣
→ AmirHalgal: 可笑的是台灣人還學西方種族歧視那一套來壓迫台灣人
→ AmirHalgal: 會去東南亞嫖雛妓的不正是一堆白人嘛 笑死人
推 SCLPAL: 啊不都十八歲了w
→ eiw123: 保守派其實原本不反的
→ eiw123: 聖經帶自己都用結婚玩真的
推 siyaoran: 拿甲圈就是因為一致對外 都不對付自家老鼠屎的 結果呢？
→ siyaoran: ？
推 roea68roea68: 台灣鬼父哪比得過歐美 別太小看歐美了好嗎
推 kasumi999: 其實讓玩家自己再載18禁補丁不就好了
推 hayate232: 推文果然有那種只用老二思考的 扯跑東南亞嫖
→ hayate232: 所以 北美 荷蘭 大麻開放，台灣就可以合法吸嗎?
→ hayate232: 用你們的腦袋想想好嗎，北美 歐洲 有他們法律
→ hayate232: 不想遵循他們法律可以不要用Steam阿