[新聞] 碧血狂殺2的Pinkerton成了訴訟焦點

[wizardfizban (瘋法師)]

Red Dead Redemption 2’s Pinkerton agents are at the center of a lawsuit
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The publisher of Red Dead Redemption 2 has thrown down a legal gauntlet
against the security company Pinkerton — which demanded royalties for using
its name in the game. According to a complaint filed late last week,
Pinkerton sent Take-Two Interactive a cease-and-desist letter over the
characters of Andrew Milton and Edgar Ross, a pair of Pinkerton agents and
major antagonists in the game. Now, Take-Two is suing to have the characters
declared fair use, arguing that they’re part of Red Dead Redemption 2’s
detailed historical setting.

Pinkerton Consulting & Investigations (now a subsidiary of security firm
Securitas AB) delivered its cease-and-desist order in December, roughly two
months after Red Dead Redemption 2’s release. It commended game development
studio Rockstar’s “clear affection” for Pinkerton, but claimed it was
trading on the “goodwill” associated with the company’s trademarks,
creating a false impression that the game was made by or connected with
Pinkerton.

The order demands that Take-Two pay either a lump sum or ongoing royalties.
But Take-Two contends that Red Dead Redemption 2 — which the lawsuit
describes as a “gripping Wild West adventure” and “essentially an
interactive film” — is protected by the First Amendment.

Take-Two notes that the Pinkerton National Detective Agency is referenced in
plenty of other Western fiction, and that the agency played a major role in
real 19th- and early 20th-century American history. (It was not, however, the
inspiration for the Weezer album Pinkerton.) Among other places, Pinkerton
agents appear in the 2000s-era TV series Deadwood; the 1980 film The Long
Riders; and the 2010 game BioShock Infinite, where the protagonist is a
former Pinkerton agent.

The complaint accuses Pinkerton of trying to profit off Red Dead Redemption
2, which sold 17 million copies within two weeks of release. It also gives
Take-Two a chance to brag about how big and historically accurate Red Dead
Redemption 2 is — quoting glowing press from news outlets and, more
idiosyncratically, the Audubon Society. “Historical fiction— television,
movies, plays, books, and games — would suffer greatly if trademark claims
like [Pinkerton’s] could even possibly succeed,” Take-Two declares. “
[Pinkerton] cannot use trademark law to own the past.”

Pinkerton did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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簡單來說遊戲中的Pinkerton是真實存在的公司。

現在遊戲大紅了，Pinkerton要求支付版權費。

但製作方Take-Two指出Pinkerton是美國歷史的一部份，出現在許多相關歷史小說、電視
劇和電影中，之前也有遊戲有這背景了。

所以Pinkerton不應該擁有「過去」的商標。相關歷史背景的出版應受美國憲法第一修正
案的保護。

然後......

兩方就上法庭啦！

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推 e04su3no: 原來平克頓現在還存在，還以為已經成為歷史
推 xxx60709: 期待P公司輸掉
→ snegi: 生化奇兵無限怎麼也不告一下
→ wizardfizban: 也不算還存在啦 現在改名了
推 gaym19: 看到遊戲大賣有賺頭 就來要求分點湯了顆顆
→ wizardfizban: 哦 我看錯了 不是改名 是變成別人的子公司了
→ gamania0515: 我還以為是左轉的pinkerton
推 scarofwind: 平克頓就一群人渣 就好像德國人要希特勒的版權一樣
→ kaj1983: 付就付啊，又不是付不起
推 max0616: 這也可以告
→ wizardfizban: 不是付不付的起的問題 而是人家跟你要錢 你就要給哦
→ wizardfizban: 而且Pinkerton在很多作品中都有出現
→ wizardfizban: 有了先例 它可以要錢的對象可多了
推 kaj1983: 如果該付的話就付啊，沒什麼好爭的吧
推 fetoyeh: 我想起版權武將伊達正宗
推 hpw841031: 遊戲的平克頓不是現在這個平克頓吧
→ hpw841031: 不然我改名叫李世民可以起訴所有用到的歷史劇嗎
→ rofellosx: 如果是迪士尼..
推 Tsozuo: 訟棍
推 lovemegaera: モノリノ
→ w3160828: 想到伊達家在日本也是有版權 ..然後光榮之前才被伊達家
→ w3160828: 訴訟討錢
→ w3160828: 歷史到底是不是公共財真的有得玩
→ w3160828: 遊戲的平克頓的延續是現在的平克頓阿
推 louis8852: 請左轉(X) 看到紅了就想來分一羹
推 hpw841031: 喔原來還活著阿，因為我當初看是說FBI的前身
推 dnek: 什麼該付就付，主要也不是賣他們商標
→ hpw841031: 不過假如當時是國家機構，現在的平克頓就沒有權利要求
→ hpw841031: 版權費吧
→ wizardfizban: Pinkerton在美國歷史上就是個和官方合作很多的安保
→ wizardfizban: 公司
→ wizardfizban: 至於現在的Pinkerton和以前有什麼關係...
→ wizardfizban: 公司被收購變成別人的子公司了 不管內容有沒有換了
→ wizardfizban: 公司標誌和名字都還在呀 XD
→ w3160828: 就同一個招牌用到現在，雖然組織不一樣
推 justice00s: 果然跟遊戲裡一樣機掰
推 amsmsk: 商標一樣確實可以要求看看
推 CactusFlower: 無限之城那個是Finkton吧
推 tiefenwald: 他們有公司商標的話,確實有權利告
推 Litan: 該付就付根本就幹話一句，雙方對該不該付爭議才打訴訟的阿
推 shentis: 要版權不是很正常嗎?不跟其它的要不代表不能要,不然有些
→ shentis: 公司一堆專利持半開放態度，難道也要被說死要錢?
推 faratia: 所以富國銀行有在遊戲裡面嗎？XD
推 verdandy: 無限之城主角以前是Pinkerton探員，不過遊戲只有大略提
→ verdandy: 到，也沒商標出來，應該不會被盯得這麼緊
推 a435007: 這個付的話 之後一定一堆都來要錢 多荒謬的關聯都會有
推 aegisWIsL: 跟SNK告高分少女是不是有點像
推 bloodruru: 雖然是歷史 但是有版權就無解了吧...
推 poeoe: 其實重點就在有沒有商標權而已 如果商標權仍然有效 那付錢
→ poeoe: 很正常啊
→ pcs80806: RDR可找路人玩開槍單挑(賭命的) 想問這種文化現實也有?
→ zxc88585: 拉基平克頓 還我何西亞
推 Heat13633: 不不不 拉基的是德奇吧 一幫亡命之徒 早被警告了 還不
→ Heat13633: 聽何西亞叔叔勸 硬要幹那筆
推 xxiayu: 看來要像gta5用一堆假的才對