Re: [情報] 玻璃渣聲明

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標題Re: [情報] 玻璃渣聲明

時間Sat Oct 12 09:40:41 2019

※ 引述《yenbor001 (YB)》之銘言： : https://tinyurl.com/y2sgqwq3 : 嘴了一堆還強調沒有受中國影響 : 退還獎金改成禁賽半年 : 主播禁半年 : 結論 : 掰掰BZ : ----- : Sent from JPTT on my Google Pixel 3. 摘要翻譯: Hello Blizzard Community . . . I want to take a few minutes to talk to all of you about the Hearthstone Grandmasters tournament this past weekend. On Monday, we made the decision to take action against a player named blitzchung and two shoutcasters after the player shared his views on what’s happening in Hong Kong on our official broadcast channel. 以上前情提要。 At Blizzard, our vision is “to bring the world together through epic entertainment.” And we have core values that apply here: Think Globally; Lead Responsibly; and importantly, Every Voice Matters, encouraging everybody to share their point of view. The actions that we took over the weekend are causing people to question if we are still committed to these values. We absolutely are and I will explain. Our esports programs are an expression of our vision and our values. Esports exist to create opportunities for players from around the world, from different cultures, and from different backgrounds, to come together to compete and share their passion for gaming. It is extremely important to us to protect these channels and the purpose they serve: to bring the world together through epic entertainment, celebrate our players, and build diverse and inclusive communities. BZ的核心價值觀"Every voice matters"等，最近被玩家質疑。而我們的價值觀一直都是讓所有文化背景的人都能在同一個遊戲上遊玩、競爭。所以我們要保護這個平台 (按: 所以把玩家趕出聯賽=確保大家都能玩。殺生為護生? 斬業非斬人?) As to how those values apply in this case: First, our official esports tournament broadcast was used as a platform for a winner of this event to share his views with the world. We interview competitors who are at the top of their craft to share how they feel. We want to experience that moment with them. Hearing their excitement is a powerful way to bring us together. Over the weekend, blitzchung used his segment to make a statement about the situation in Hong Kong—in violation of rules he acknowledged and understood, and this is why we took action. Every Voice Matters, and we strongly encourage everyone in our community to share their viewpoints in the many places available to express themselves. However, the official broadcast needs to be about the tournament and to be a place where all are welcome. In support of that, we want to keep the official channels focused on the game. 第一，受訪心得要跟遊戲有關，聰哥明知故犯。 Second, what is the role of shoutcasters for these broadcasts? We hire shoutcasters to amplify the excitement of the game. They elevate the watchability and help the esports viewing experience stay focused on the tournament and our amazing players. 第二，主播賽評的角色是增加遊戲的可看性，並讓觀看體驗聚焦在比賽及選手上。 Third, were our actions based on the content of the message? Part of Thinking Globally, Leading Responsibly, and Every Voice Matters is recognizing that we have players and fans in almost every country in the world. Our goal is to help players connect in areas of commonality, like their passion for our games, and create a sense of shared community. The specific views expressed by blitzchung were NOT a factor in the decision we made. I want to be clear: our relationships in China had no influence on our decision. We have these rules to keep the focus on the game and on the tournament to the benefit of a global audience, and that was the only consideration in the actions we took. If this had been the opposing viewpoint delivered in the same divisive and deliberate way, we would have felt and acted the same. 聰哥被ban不是因為說的內容，這判決完全沒有中國因素，而暴雪有義務避免比賽失焦。 (按: Wow，所以採訪時離題，會被剝奪資格+取消10000美獎金欸，各位人上人要小心了，再敢離題，BZ爸爸一個一個拖出來打。) OK, what could Blizzard have done better, and where do we go from here? Over the past few days, many players, casters, esports fans, and employees have expressed concerns about how we determined the penalties. We’ve had a chance to pause, to listen to our community, and to reflect on what we could have done better. In hindsight, our process wasn’t adequate, and we reacted too quickly. We want to ensure that we maintain a safe and inclusive environment for all our players, and that our rules and processes are clear. All of this is in service of another important Blizzard value—Play Nice; Play Fair. In the tournament itself blitzchung *played* fair. We now believe he should receive his prizing. We understand that for some this is not about the prize, and perhaps for others it is disrespectful to even discuss it. That is not our intention. (此段後重點) 我們吸收了社群上的意見，事後來看，暴雪的反應不是那麼恰當。聰哥應該要拿到應得的獎金。 But playing fair also includes appropriate pre-and post-match conduct, especially when a player accepts recognition for winning in a broadcast. When we think about the suspension, six months for blitzchung is more appropriate, after which time he can compete in the Hearthstone pro circuit again if he so chooses. There is a consequence for taking the conversation away from the purpose of the event and disrupting or derailing the broadcast. 聰哥禁賽期，縮短為半年。半年後可以繼續待在人上人聯盟。（按：pro circuit是人上人聯盟吧？　有錯請指教） With regard to the casters, remember their purpose is to keep the event focused on the tournament. That didn’t happen here, and we are setting their suspension to six months as well. 主播賽評 ban六個月。 Moving forward, we will continue to apply tournament rules to ensure our official broadcasts remain focused on the game and are not a platform for divisive social or political views. One of our goals at Blizzard is to make sure that every player, everywhere in the world, regardless of political views, religious beliefs, race, gender, or any other consideration always feels safe and welcome both competing in and playing our games. At Blizzard, we are always listening and finding ways to improve—it is part of our culture. Thank you for your patience with us as we continue to learn. Sincerely, J. Allen Brack President of Blizzard Entertainment 後面不重要。－－－－－－－－－－－－改判啦，大家可以回家啦。龍王可以回來播報啦，希洽可以開始論戰需不需要繼續抵制啦。沒有中國因素笑死人，下次訪問，你個位人上人最好不要提遊戲以外的事。否則將違反暴雪＂聚焦在遊戲競賽上＂的理念，小心被禁半年。雖然掰沒有中國因素很瞎，但這個判決可以接受。我個人還是不會回來玩啦，畢竟這間公司受到中國因素干擾是鐵錚錚的事實。而且能對抗中國因素的只有西方社群燒起來。以後如果又有這種事，就祈禱西方社群有看到，而且有燒起來吧。不然只有一堆東南亞國家在燒，就乖乖吞下祖國的善液吧。不過我不再奉行誰還玩就告原則，其他人要玩就玩吧。 -- Sent from my Windows -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 113.161.150.5 (越南) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/C_Chat/M.1570844443.A.150.html

噓 a43164910: 按個ENTER分段好爆 10/12 09:42

推 tim0619123: == 睜眼說瞎話和中國有關的都這德行? 10/12 09:42

推 d125383957: 不意外舔中的都喜歡扯一堆假掰理由 10/12 09:42

推 hayate232: 改卡面那次也是這樣說.. 10/12 09:43

→ hayate232: 改卡面那次賴不掉的原因是，卡面都是從中國服搬過來的 10/12 09:44

推 delta0521: 改完的說明跟懲罰可接受但來不及了吧，中文微博可是明 10/12 09:44

→ delta0521: 顯政治因素啊。 10/12 09:44

推 gaym19: 那美國大學怎麼不罰光這點就玩死他了 10/12 09:45

推 sarevork: 沒事拉ab稿是公司常態啊魯蛇尼特不要炒 10/12 09:46

推 a760981: 遇到白人就不罰那共雪是不是種族歧視? 10/12 09:46

推 delta0521: 我本就沒玩無從抵制，但至少三個鐵粉朋友新聞爆出當天 10/12 09:46

→ delta0521: 就砍光暴雪遊戲。 10/12 09:46

推 cross980115: 笑死大概只有用屁眼看文章的人會覺得沒有受到中國影 10/12 09:47

→ cross980115: 響吧，那個捍衛國家尊嚴都出來了 10/12 09:47

→ lungyu: 不認同啊我的底線就是易先生的判決應該全部撤銷 10/12 09:47

噓 p200404: 什麼叫可以接受ban主播就夠智障了更不用講前幾天美國大 10/12 09:47

→ p200404: 學才幹一樣的事情結果說不罰 10/12 09:47

→ p200404: 雙標就雙標有種判決改一樣再來講 10/12 09:47

→ p200404: 美大不繼續比是他們的自由你bz罰則不判一樣就是有鬼 10/12 09:48

推 ggbi4zzz: 支持聰哥不領獎金，不然代表承認暴雪這樣作是對的 10/12 09:48

推 hitsukix: BZ解釋一下美國大學為什麼不罰喔因為有聚焦嗎 10/12 09:49

推 crash121: 有看爐石比賽的都知道其他地區賽後訪問都是在討論比賽內 10/12 09:50

→ crash121: 容只有亞太區會閒話家常只能說平常這種風氣闖禍了 10/12 09:50

推 getx105: 此地無銀 10/12 09:51

推 EOTFOFYL: 當然是要把獎金拿去換成抗議用的物資捐出去啊 10/12 09:51

→ rp20031219: 闖禍呵呵呵呵 10/12 09:51

推 fragmentwing: 舔中都愛說不表態自由和無關政治啦 10/12 09:54

推 crash121: 聰哥自己也說歐美訪問的話他不會這麼做 10/12 09:56

推 way7344: 垃圾，一堆垃圾理由 10/12 09:56

推 sses60802: 睜眼說瞎話還是要下去 10/12 09:56

推 zxc88585: 支持領了換成物資送出去，記得在物資箱上印上暴雪logo 10/12 09:57

推 berice152233: 睜眼說瞎話 10/12 09:57

→ spfy: 最愛談政治才會說政治歸政治最有偏見的才會說其他人都偏見 10/12 09:58

推 way7344: 敢不敢冰美國大學生啊，離題 10/12 09:58

→ spfy: 哪國人我就不說了我很中立不表態不談政治 10/12 09:58

推 hedgehogs: 小粉紅主播或選手大喊中國一定強罰不罰？ 10/12 10:00

→ whe84311: 暴雪真的把人當棒槌XD 10/12 10:00

→ whe84311: 把前幾天表示還願意留下來的選手臉打得啪啪響 10/12 10:01

推 bmaple730: 暴雪：火他媽還不夠大，全部起來嗨，給我繼續燒！ 10/12 10:02

→ whe84311: 請記得留下的選手跟玩家就代表認同爆雪這樣處置喔 10/12 10:02

推 arrenwu: 我去看了一下那個broadcast，我覺得暴雪這篇看起來沒有 10/12 10:02

→ arrenwu: 什麼邏輯上的問題。爭議出在大家很支持香港 10/12 10:02

推 Kone99: 除非美國大學比賽播報的主播賽評也比照辦理，不然都是屁 10/12 10:03

推 Keney99: 舔好舔滿不送 10/12 10:03

→ whe84311: 處罰與否是規則但刑度能表示你的態度 10/12 10:04

噓 p200404: 跟支持香港沒啥關係重點是他今天po這篇聲明根本就是雙 10/12 10:04

→ p200404: 重標準 10/12 10:04

推 a125g: 保護平台(X)保護中國的玻璃心(O) 10/12 10:04

→ p200404: 美大怎麼說不罰結果也沒說明 10/12 10:04

推 CowBaoGan: 此地無銀三百兩呵呵 10/12 10:05

推 comettsanyue: 敢不敢冷凍美國大學生啦。 10/12 10:05

噓 winken2004: zzz 10/12 10:06

推 XECHS: 拜託下次來個喊武統台灣的 10/12 10:06

推 ga787540: 美大舉的標語其實比聰哥還嚴重就是了。但...結果也看到 10/12 10:06

→ ga787540: 了。 10/12 10:07

→ zweihander99: 採訪離題就要被罰成這樣哦 10/12 10:07

噓 leamaSTC: 幹原本講冒犯族群現在變成訪談離題喔? 10/12 10:08

推 t77133562003: 下次來個統派的喊看看 10/12 10:08

→ leamaSTC: 我幹你暴雪咧自己傻就算了還以為別人都智障喔? 10/12 10:09

推 libramog: 不意外啦玻璃渣作到這個地位跟本不怕抵制鄉民不分國 10/12 10:10

→ libramog: 界 10/12 10:10

→ leamaSTC: 現在就是"釋出善意"招術啦我沒做錯但我給你個機會 10/12 10:10

推 a176893: http://i.imgur.com/0n1cgmC.jpg 10/12 10:10

推 vivianqq30: 所以原本用的規章不是寫冒犯到社群、傷害暴雪形象嗎？ 10/12 10:10

→ vivianqq30: 又變成是訪談離題就會被禁囉？ 10/12 10:10

→ a176893: 暴雪不解釋一下？ 10/12 10:11

推 bigGG30: 聰哥事件我看差不多這樣了吧，之後風向大概會是暴雪改判 10/12 10:11

→ leamaSTC: 粉絲之前憋很久現在可以跳出來說暴雪知錯能改好棒棒了 10/12 10:12

→ bigGG30: 結果雖然讓人不甚滿意但至少有在改變，我們還是繼續比賽 10/12 10:12

推 t77133562003: 有種一點去鍘亞太賽事管理啊ww 10/12 10:12

→ bigGG30: 播報..等等，想到之後可能這樣發展就覺得這群體真的噁心 10/12 10:12

推 horse2819: 下次找個勇者說支持中共就知道到底怎樣惹 10/12 10:13

→ t77133562003: 要改判可以啊之前誰判的一起鍘 10/12 10:13

→ whe84311: 暴雪連美國大學生也砍了我還會說他有魄力有原則 10/12 10:14

→ whe84311: 然後現在暴雪是把規則弄得跟皮球一樣 10/12 10:14

推 NukAnah: 笑死人 10/12 10:15

推 ndtoseooqd: 垃圾公所 10/12 10:16

推 lljjfrdr1: 白人不罰黃種人該罰合裡! Y 10/12 10:16

推 rainxo6p: 每個有中資背景的企業出來的聲明稿內容怎麼都這麼像上 10/12 10:16

→ rainxo6p: 次EPIC的也是這種調調 10/12 10:16

→ ndtoseooqd: 垃圾公司 10/12 10:16

→ lungyu: 中英聲明不同步當玩家都是白癡? 10/12 10:16

推 thesun0731: 不會再玩這公司的遊戲可撥 10/12 10:18

推 bala73: 呵呵 10/12 10:19

推 dnek: 其它言論審查的部分呢，禁止特定id之類的要不要倒歉 10/12 10:20

推 excia: 今天如果不是講香港議題而是跟女朋友求婚這種跟遊戲完全無 10/12 10:21

→ excia: 關的事情有可能被罰成這樣？根本把人當白癡 10/12 10:21

噓 patrickleeee: 可以接受個屁 10/12 10:21

推 Rover: 又是個雙標仔XDDD 10/12 10:23

推 tmpss93103: 一樣噁心我是不會再回去玩垃圾公司的遊戲了 10/12 10:26

推 tp950016: 所以美國大學還是沒事啊，雙標雪下去 10/12 10:28

→ shuten: 美國大學先罰下去再跟我講這篇不是屁話 10/12 10:29

噓 richard07250: 暴雪真的是雙重標準加睜眼說瞎話美國魚是不是？ 10/12 10:30

→ coolorphen: 遇到美國白人就不敢罰，BZ吃屎比較快 10/12 10:31

推 yumekaze: 你各位乖乖吞下去 10/12 10:31

推 t77133562003: 禁止特定id....這10年以上了巴先不要大混戰.... 10/12 10:31

推 gargoyles: BZ:這判決完全沒有中國因素 <--??? 10/12 10:31

→ t77133562003: 反正我是等著看再來bz控會有多好笑 10/12 10:32

推 ngvxsvfh: 完全不能接受，反正我是不會再玩Bz的任何東西了 10/12 10:32

推 t77133562003: 再來改判一出bz應該可以體驗玻璃業還沒開始碎嗎ww 10/12 10:35

推 dos32408: 原來受訪離題這麼嚴重啊呵呵 10/12 10:36

推 tassadar1: 中國是爺爺，不能惹他不高興；西方社群是兒子，吵很大 10/12 10:37

推 signm: 反正遊戲我砍了 10/12 10:38

→ tassadar1: 可以退半步安撫一下；其他玩家是狗，想怎麼搞就怎麼搞 10/12 10:38

推 WoodPunch: 摸頭還這麼理直氣壯 10/12 10:38

→ WoodPunch: 噁心 10/12 10:39

噓 bill8345: 更噁心了 10/12 10:41

推 AIthesixers: 幹你玻璃渣 10/12 10:41

推 hcbr: 簡單的說，就是因為NBA安穩下庄了，暴雪才轉彎的 10/12 10:44

→ hcbr: 中國人講的抵制是啥德行，NBA事件活生生體現 10/12 10:45

→ hcbr: 暴雪現在在那捶心肝，現在就顯得它的自我審查有多愚蠢 10/12 10:47

噓 wind010181: 受訪離題?台灣主播跟選手訪談閒聊也不是第一次了怎麼 10/12 10:48

→ wind010181: 只有這次受罰還敢說沒有政治因素啊? 10/12 10:48

推 alan4023: 可是你的中國爸爸早就已經發文出賣你了啊暴雪 10/12 10:48

→ Wogmai: 原文意思應該是說禁賽半年完你可以繼續打職業競賽制度 10/12 10:49

→ siro0207: 真希望有勇者選手在台上講"支持香港警察鎮壓暴民" 我要 10/12 10:50

→ Wogmai: 應該不是讓他回GM的意思因為踢出GM形同禁賽禁賽是針對 10/12 10:50

→ Rocksolid: 根本不用討論阿，反正以後就是沒暴雪這公司了 10/12 10:50

→ siro0207: 看看暴雪會如何處置 10/12 10:50

→ Wogmai: 資格賽以及巡迴賽的部分禁完只是讓你從這兩個開始而已 10/12 10:50

推 joeyben: 雙標 10/12 10:51

→ Wogmai: 我是這樣理解的因為被降級的處分並沒有被撤銷所以其實這 10/12 10:52

→ Wogmai: 處分改了跟沒改差不多一般被排除在GM 根本不會再回去 10/12 10:52

→ Wogmai: 打資格賽或巡迴賽 10/12 10:53

→ jk9132526987: 這篇聲明電腦點進去已經變404了，我不確定是它撤掉 10/12 10:57

→ jk9132526987: 了還是怎樣 10/12 10:57

噓 Isvain: https://i.imgur.com/LTLpdzY.jpg 10/12 10:58

噓 ENCOREH33456: 改判依然是認定行為不當啊，幹你暴雪 10/12 10:58

噓 nlriey: 此地無銀，垃圾BZ 10/12 10:59

推 lightKevin: ban主播還是不合理啊！？！？ 10/12 11:07

推 afrazhao: 吃屎，不相信沒有中資的遊戲就沒辦法讓玩家享受遊戲 10/12 11:09

推 allenlee6710: 之後要是有人說什麼『重視環保』『注意全球暖化』『 10/12 11:11

→ allenlee6710: 拯救瀕危物種』是不是也會被禁賽 10/12 11:11

噓 suifong: 繼續爽玩魔獸世界啊 10/12 11:19

推 cool10528: 主播在台上誘導被ban活該 10/12 11:21

噓 Alaba: 不能接受，主播的應對沒有問題 10/12 11:21

噓 pdf300ppi: 只有亞太會閒話家常?還闖禍咧 10/12 11:28

→ pdf300ppi: 來啦既然這樣聲明了美國大學罰一罰阿主播炒一炒阿 10/12 11:29

噓 yostarmove: 你真的都當玩家智障欸暴雪 10/12 11:29

噓 YuenYang5566: 先解釋中英文不同稿吧 10/12 11:31

推 sky81602: 一堆幹話呵呵 10/12 11:35

推 itit7225: 玻璃渣配玻璃心剛好 10/12 11:42

推 yu3376406: 越描越黑 10/12 11:52

噓 chuckni: 罰選手沒話說畢竟規章應該是寫在那的，罰主播是無論如何 10/12 11:54

→ chuckni: 都會被噴的，無辜被波及，而且這次被噴的理由是暴雪「太 10/12 11:54

→ chuckni: 有效率」了 10/12 11:54

※ eric30215:轉錄至看板 WOW 10/12 12:02

噓 bitchdog0907: 解釋一下為啥鎖帳號啊？ 10/12 12:03

噓 lkk0752: BZ:政治歸政治zzz 10/12 12:05

→ lkk0752: 柯糞一直很想帶風向說是主播的問題厂厂 10/12 12:06

→ gohow: 垃圾公司吃屎 10/12 12:07

推 bps05: 垃圾暴雪改了跟沒改一樣 10/12 12:08

噓 kina: 純噓上面扯柯的 10/12 12:10

噓 Sunnyfu: 可以接受？？？？？？ 10/12 12:12

推 jack90351: 垃圾暴雪，反正遊戲跟battle.net拎杯都移除了 10/12 12:15

推 zeolas: 回個屁，你個位以後離題小心被罰個十幾萬 10/12 12:24

噓 blackbigbig: 幹你暴雪支那渣 10/12 12:32

噓 uglyfinger: 你的心得蠻扯的 10/12 12:48

推 howard0730: 垃圾暴雪 10/12 12:49

推 lapis1999: 暴雪蘋果這些舔共企業全面封殺抵制 10/12 12:50

→ evilraistlin: 沒有中國因素才有鬼以為大家都是棒鎚嗎... 10/12 12:57

噓 layccccc: 舔成這樣真的噁心 10/12 13:12

推 zxc1020305: 所以跟遊戲有關就可以？那如果選手說“這次我使用的戰 10/12 13:34

→ zxc1020305: 術是從近期香港的抗爭中得到的啟發...”就沒事？ 10/12 13:34

噓 super223351: 還在舔 10/12 13:57

噓 g3sg1: 還是繼續Ban無相關的主播阿 10/12 14:04

噓 jeter8695: 還不是一樣繼續舔嘔嘔嘔 10/12 14:06

推 shiraby: 上色辣 10/12 14:45

推 Kenqr: 離題就沒收所有獎金+禁賽當大家智障? 10/12 15:15

噓 rofellosx: 沒有中國因素?那何來逞罰 10/12 18:43

→ oops66: 把人當智障 zzz 垃圾公司 10/12 18:46