[閒聊] Polygon關於Tlous2媒體爭議的文章

[carotyao (汐止吳慷仁)]

https://reurl.cc/nz35Nv

節錄一部分

前面是在講嚴格準則到底有多嚴格，
評論"準則"不能包含任何關鍵劇情敘述跟任何特別場面，
也不能任何透漏任何角色命運，這讓網站很難有所評論。

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxqnxy/last-of-us-part-2-review
vice在這篇評論中表示有些讓人難忘的場面，
但也有造成了他們對角色以及故事的興趣減少的部份，
所有人對於復仇的都像是被強迫推進的，敘事風格充滿了壓抑的淒涼與暴力。

然後就被頑皮狗給海巡到了，
覺得他們的評論不公平而且下了指導棋，
他們說雖然對話過程不是有對抗性的，但這種事情是非常不尋常的。

目前頑皮狗公關對這不表示回應。


心得：ign jp果然真大哥


Discussion about the survival horror game was also hampered by unusually
restrictive embargo guidelines, which included sentences like “DO NOT
include any beat-by-beat descriptions of pivotal narrative or cutscenes
moments” and “DO NOT reveal the fate of ANY character or the inciting event.
” This prevented websites from discussing any specifics of the game’s
story, which was tricky considering that the game reveals something
surprising within its first two hours that impacts the remainder of its 20-
to 30-hour journey. Curiously, at least one website, GameSpot, actually
published two reviews, one without spoilers and one that dove right into
those details. The latter was published after the embargo was fully lifted.

Why go through such lengths, especially when the internet was flooded with
half-informed takes and speculation based on what had already leaked?
Control. Naughty Dog no longer steered the narrative of The Last of Us Part
2, and this was one way to try and regain control. The studio had already
gone to great efforts to maintain a tight grip on what folks knew about the
experience. As Kotaku reported, Naughty Dog at one point showed a fake scene
during a trailer to make people believe that a character would be more
present in the game than they actually were.

The vibe around the game hasn’t gotten much better since then. On June 12,
Vice published its review of The Last of Us Part 2, in which critic Rob Zacny
said that while the game had “memorable moments” that made for great “
spectacle,” he was less taken with the story and characters. “Nobody ever
reconsiders their quest for vengeance,” Zacny wrote. “Everyone acts under a
kind of vindictive compulsion that goes little remarked and unexamined.”
 Zacny went on to describe the game’s message as complacent, full of “
oppressive bleakness and violence.”

While the vast majority of reviews have lavished The Last of Us Part 2 with
all sorts of praise, a handful of outlets — Polygon included — have been
slightly more critical of the blockbuster game. According to Zacny, Vice’s
review prompted a Sony representative to reach out on behalf of Naughty Dog.

“They felt some of the conclusions I reached in my review were unfair and
dismissed some meaningful changes or improvements,” Zacny told Polygon over
Twitter messages.


Zacny clarified that the exchange wasn’t “confrontational,” but that it
was nonetheless “unusual,” as the site doesn’t typically have big
publishers asking in an official capacity why a review reads the way it does.
Such things can happen, of course, though often with smaller developers, or
from publishers who have spotted a factual error in a piece that they want
corrected.

“I was happy to unpack a bit of my reasoning, however, and received a
perfectly cordial message in response,” Zacny said. Naughty Dog’s PR team
declined to comment on Polygon’s inquiry about its exchange with Vice. 

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推 CrazyLord: 現在看勢頭不對才想切割停損了嗎
推 louis0724: 雖然早知道一定有摸頭 但終於有媒體敢出來證明了是吧
→ ray1478953: 這家不是本來就是少數說實話的
推 jensheng09: 不能透漏 = 打最高分  低能邏輯 低能媒體
推 dnek: sjw式評論，我准你寫的才能寫
推 dustlike: 這樣看來IGN日本根本不甩頑皮狗給的限制耶
→ dustlike: 以續作而言的劇情問題都寫出來了
→ poke001: 所以頑皮狗還可以指導評測該怎麽寫阿XD
→ lomorobin: 笨蛋都看得出來有摸頭，承不承認而已，索皇的上意就是
→ lomorobin: 不准談劇情，所以媒體的10/10就是指劇情以外的部分。
推 RoaringWolf: 分數順便要求只能打10分吧
推 charmingpink: 我看過沒問題才能評分
推 loveangel718: 這家不是氣到沒打分嗎？ 還是我記錯家
→ poke001: 這樣連給的分數都能指導我看也不意外
※ carotyao:轉錄至看板 PlayStation                                 07/01 15:17
推 FinallyFind: 問題是敢跳出來講的有幾家？
→ a71085: 注意看一下 是索尼爸爸代表頑皮狗出來抗議
推 john0909: IGN JP 真的有膽量
→ jorden0804: 這是中共吧 直接審查你的評論 可憐阿 SONY
推 vsepr55: 有時間拿來改媒體的作文怎麼不好好精進自己呢==
→ lomorobin: 這代表索尼拔拔用盡手段也要保護這個頑皮狗的決心
→ tcancer: 官方放誤導劇情可以，媒體議論劇情不行
推 xxx60709: 這不就中共玩法嗎www
推 greydust: 這家本來就沒給分, 他們其他遊戲也都沒給分
→ greydust: 至於評論內容.. 落落長有點懶的看
推 crazypeo45: 你讓vice這個左膠媒體說難聽的話也很了不起就是了 LUL
→ WiLLSTW: 廠商指導評測要怎麼寫 還叫做評測嗎
推 soniclin: 原文寫$ony的怎麼沒翻出來
→ a71085: POLYGON發的文也很好笑 有順便提說我們的評測也沒說好話
→ WiLLSTW: Polygon哪有其他遊戲都沒給分 BOTW就是第一批解禁的媒體
→ WiLLSTW: 給了10分
→ a71085: 不過POLYGON的評測文我有瞄一下 真的評的挺兇的
→ WiLLSTW: Polygon一直都很犀利我覺得 先不提合不合主流群眾口味
推 Hazelburn: 上次是不是有說IGN JP背後夠硬所以可以不用屌
→ Hazelburn: 不過我覺得也不用過度捧IGN JP啦
→ Hazelburn: 哪天評論日本的遊戲可能又會有不同的包袱了
推 greydust: Polygon 2018有發一篇文說他們修改評分架構, 之後的都不
推 ryoma1: 對這家媒體有印象，很敢評
→ greydust: 會給分, botw是2017的
推 WiLLSTW: 原來如此
推 CW4: 這餵屎操作蔓延下去會毀了遊戲界
→ WiLLSTW: IGN JP還是看評論者吧 至少這次一戰成名的福山幸司看歷來
→ WiLLSTW: 紀錄都評得很不錯
推 vsepr55: 不評分的媒體基本上都很敢吧
→ vsepr55: 大部分人才不想看落落長的文章只想看分數嘻嘻
→ Hazelburn: 聽說他這次寫個7/10還被日本鄉民人身攻擊
推 WiLLSTW: 那些都1代的粉絲阿 雖然不能否認有索尼的暗部混在裡面也
→ jorden0804: 還好後面有逆轉回來 要不然真的白被人身攻擊
→ WiLLSTW: 說不定就是
推 kducky: IGN JP評日本遊戲滿戳的XD
推 aegisWIsL: 不評分的媒體都很敢?台灣沒一個有給分啊
推 chiayu81: 頑皮狗再繼續吹沒操縱媒體啊，馬上被打臉
→ frfreedom: 這次這家沒給分數，爭議太大吧
推 KUSUHA0707: 給你一堆限制還給的出10/10 現在找什麼藉口
推 ruiun: 我忘記巴哈豪哥有沒有給分了，嘻嘻
→ iam0718: 操縱媒體賺錢賺到破紀錄 夠本了
推 ssarc: 頑皮狗都幫你寫好了，你只需要簽名
推 bestteam: 為了錢就能閉嘴 媒體怎麼還有臉舉著正義的旗幟啊
推 Tr3vyy: 都94分了還想要怎樣
推 ging1995: https://i.imgur.com/HPnjrxF.jpg
推 loveangel718: 看跟玩家對嗆的ign編輯 說不定ign歐美是真的覺得神
→ loveangel718: 勒XD
推 P2: 推肯德基那家
→ r901700216: 會被下指導棋的評論就不要寫評論了好嗎
※ 編輯: carotyao (218.161.9.152 臺灣), 07/01/2020 23:45:22