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作者: misen () 看板: CrossStrait
標題: Re: [心得] Not An Easy Job
時間: Sun May 9 10:34:25 2004
※ 引述《body (Miracle)》之銘言：
恕刪
: 2) The presence of an "enemy" force such as DPP will keep CCP wary of its
: vulnarability, and keeps itself to be forced to improve itself.
: The weakest point of CCP is that it's constantly viewed by Taiwan and also
: western countries as a "monarchy", and lacks improvement in the areas
: of democracy and human rights.
這的確是目前令人看了非常受不了的事實
: CCP will be forced to improve its image in these areas in the coming years,
: and the effect of these improvements will play a critical role in the
: long march to the resolution of Taiwan issues.
CCP 不要只會改變表面形象
而且竟然還要 be forced to？
希望是從核心的全面改革
: From these viewpoints, we can expect to see a booming Chinese economy and
: also a much powerful Chinese military forces in the coming years. The much
: concerned improvements in democracy and human rights will also be expected,
: though in a much smaller scale.
我倒是認為民主與人權才是最重要也比較會被注重的點
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作者: unyxxxx (iCreatEverything) 看板: CrossStrait
標題: Re: [心得] Not An Easy Job
時間: Sun May 9 12:57:24 2004
※ 引述《body (Miracle)》之銘言：
: From the current status of Taiwan, it would not be an easy job
: to persuade Taiwan to come back to the "One China" policy.
: 1) DPP is determined to push the status of Taiwan as an independent country.
: 2) KMT favors "One China" policy, but will be forced to be more concentrated
: on a localized Taiwan, otherwise it will be scolded as "Not Loving Taiwan",
: and will lose more control of Taiwan.
在民主國家不說是"control"的，就好像我們不會說美國共和黨control U.S吧
: 3) The young generation of people in Taiwan has been educated to hate
: CCP so much, that they will use any possible methods to stay as far away
: from CCP as possible. From their point of view, "One China" just means
: they will be governed by an "evil" force, and this is contradictory to their
: understanding of democracy and human rights.
的確，受幾十年前"愛國教育"的那一代也許有這種現象，但台灣人對CCP的反感主要
是因為CCP處處對台灣不友善且態度惡劣，不論過去或現在。還鎮壓自己的人民，
打擊異己......。
: 4) The policy of China is not very flexible. Although China's "One Courntry,
: Two Political Systems" policy has earned less than 20% of people of
: Taiwan, China has still no intention of being more flexible.
: However, there are still some positive effects of China's policy:
: 1) The practice to eliminate any chances of Taiwan's opportunity to appear
: as an independent country in the international community is very effective.
: This will make Taiwan's DPP to feel very defeated, and undermine its
It should be "Taiwan's most people"
: leadership and credibility among people of Taiwan.
請不要用CCP那一套黨國一體，專制集權的思考模式來解讀台灣的政治。
: 2) The presence of an "enemy" force such as DPP will keep CCP wary of its
: vulnarability, and keeps itself to be forced to improve itself.
: The weakest point of CCP is that it's constantly viewed by Taiwan and also
: western countries as a "monarchy", and lacks improvement in the areas
: of democracy and human rights.
: CCP will be forced to improve its image in these areas in the coming years,
: and the effect of these improvements will play a critical role in the
: long march to the resolution of Taiwan issues.
: 3) The economy of China will also play an important role in Taiwan issues.
: The presence of a rich and powerful China will improve the image of China
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
唉，許多中國人的迷思...... 我想你們其實需要的是心靈的慰藉XD
當西方或者所謂的進步國家的人們已經開始省思過去並且注重環境，心靈
，人類甚至整個地球上的生命共同體的未來時，卻追逐著別人擁有過的"榮耀"
，一句"21世紀是中國人的世紀"便熱血沸騰起來，好像20世紀前都不是自己的
，不但有心結而且短視......。
(我不是一竿子打翻一船人，不要對我熱血哦= =)
: in the eyes of next generation of people of Taiwan. This will significantly
: improves the chances of getting Taiwan back in "One China" policy.
: Finally, a powerful government will ensure the success of using the last
: weapon, the armed forces of China, and will be able to deter the
: the intervention of an armed international force.
: From these viewpoints, we can expect to see a booming Chinese economy and
: also a much powerful Chinese military forces in the coming years. The much
: concerned improvements in democracy and human rights will also be expected,
: though in a much smaller scale.
到時候，中國或者說人類最大的敵人將不是核子彈或航母可以應付的，
我不是指敵人會有飛碟或光子砲之類的，當然也不排除會有XD(別忘了還有使徒XDD)
而是如能源及糧食的短缺，生物圈的嚴重改變現狀，傳染病.....etc
此外人類集體熱血也是很可怕的，不過那也是上述問題的一個解吧= =
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※ 編輯: unyxxxx 來自: 61.30.65.249 (05/09 14:09)
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作者: kehn (奇怪的牛) 看板: CrossStrait
標題: Re: [心得] Not An Easy Job
時間: Sun May 9 14:19:11 2004
※ 引述《body (Miracle)》之銘言：
: From the current status of Taiwan, it would not be an easy job
: to persuade Taiwan to come back to the "One China" policy.
回應第4982篇看你如何對繼承論自圓其說
還有美南北戰爭時南方並沒有以"one united states"來要求原統治者北方的領土
南方只要求承認
這跟PRC想用"one china"來要求原統治者你指的ROC的領土有著天壤之別
更遑論舊金山條約根本沒有轉讓臺灣給你指的ROC
: 1) DPP is determined to push the status of Taiwan as an independent country.
: 2) KMT favors "One China" policy, but will be forced to be more concentrated
: on a localized Taiwan, otherwise it will be scolded as "Not Loving Taiwan",
: and will lose more control of Taiwan.
: 3) The young generation of people in Taiwan has been educated to hate
: CCP so much, that they will use any possible methods to stay as far away
: from CCP as possible. From their point of view, "One China" just means
: they will be governed by an "evil" force, and this is contradictory to their
: understanding of democracy and human rights.
: 4) The policy of China is not very flexible. Although China's "One Courntry,
: Two Political Systems" policy has earned less than 20% of people of
: Taiwan, China has still no intention of being more flexible.
: However, there are still some positive effects of China's policy:
: 1) The practice to eliminate any chances of Taiwan's opportunity to appear
: as an independent country in the international community is very effective.
: This will make Taiwan's DPP to feel very defeated, and undermine its
: leadership and credibility among people of Taiwan.
: 2) The presence of an "enemy" force such as DPP will keep CCP wary of its
: vulnarability, and keeps itself to be forced to improve itself.
: The weakest point of CCP is that it's constantly viewed by Taiwan and also
: western countries as a "monarchy", and lacks improvement in the areas
: of democracy and human rights.
: CCP will be forced to improve its image in these areas in the coming years,
: and the effect of these improvements will play a critical role in the
: long march to the resolution of Taiwan issues.
: 3) The economy of China will also play an important role in Taiwan issues.
: The presence of a rich and powerful China will improve the image of China
: in the eyes of next generation of people of Taiwan. This will significantly
: improves the chances of getting Taiwan back in "One China" policy.
: Finally, a powerful government will ensure the success of using the last
: weapon, the armed forces of China, and will be able to deter the
: the intervention of an armed international force.
看看你們自己跟外國買了多少武器
但是都是賣二流的尤其俄羅斯時刻提防會留一手
還想跟外國打仗?
多看些常識吧
: From these viewpoints, we can expect to see a booming Chinese economy and
: also a much powerful Chinese military forces in the coming years. The much
: concerned improvements in democracy and human rights will also be expected,
: though in a much smaller scale.
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