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We came, we saw, he died’: How Gaddafi was hunted and brutally killed (TIMELINE) https://www.rt.com/news/363454-timeline-gaddafi-death-anniversary/ "America Has Lost" - Duterte Announces "Separation" From United States, Alligns With China; Seeks Alliance With Putin http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-20/america-has-lost-duterte-announces-separation-united-states-alligns-china 眾所周知:今日利比亞是IS的重要輸出國。 但是長期被外國匪諜洗腦的人,作夢也想不到: 1. 格達費是被米國希拉蕊幫派謀殺的。 2. 格達費在位時的利比亞是非洲最民主、最照顧中低層百姓的國家,但是美帝透過CNN、BBC、紐約時報、福斯新聞...等,抹黑格達費為「暴君、獨裁者」。 歷史指證歷歷: 菲律賓Duterte是對的:和米國交往,弊大於利。 -------------- 利比亞再也要不回來的16件東西 「16 Things Libya Will Never See Again」 格達費主政時期, There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens. 利比亞國民免付電費。 There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law. Having a home considered a human right in Libya. 利比亞銀行乃國營,法律規定:百姓借款免利息。「人民有住屋權」在利比亞是人權。 利比亞銀行乃國營,法律規定:百姓借款免利息。「人民有住屋權」在利比亞是人權。 政府贈美元50,000予新人購屋以成立家庭。 All newly weds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family. 政府贈美元50,000予新人購屋以成立家庭。 Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent. 教育、醫療免費。格達費主政前,25%人民識字;現在,83%。 Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms are all for free. 若有利比亞國民願做農民,政府免費送農地、農舍、農具、種子、耕牛。 If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance. If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150 billion are now frozen globally. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is employed, until employment is found. 若有利比亞國民缺教育或醫療,政府免費支付該國民赴海外就學、就醫,外加美元2,300/月的住宿與車貸資金。若有利比亞國民欲夠車,政府付50%價款。汽油$0.14/公升。利比亞零外債。利比亞現在有美元1千500億在全球被各國政府凍結。若有利比亞國民畢業即失業,則政府支付平均薪資給失業者,直至就業為止。 A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens. 一部分的利比亞石油收入列入利比亞全體國民帳戶。 A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000. 每產一子/女,產婦獲得$5,000。 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15. $0.15/40條麵包。 25 percent of Libyans have a university degree. 25%利比亞國民擁有大學學歷。 Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country. - See more at: http://disinfo.com/2011/10/16-things-libya-will-never-see-again/#sthash.a05ZeIZk.dpuf 格達費主展開全球最大灌溉專案,名之為「大人工河專案」,以灌溉全國。詳見: http://disinfo.com/2011/10/16-things-libya-will-never-see-again/#sthash.a05ZeIZk.dpuf **** 被推文最多的回應: 1. Libya is Africa's largest exporter of oil, 1.7 million tons a day,which quickly was reduced to 300-400,000 ton due to US-NATO bombing. Libya exports 80% of its oil: 80% of that to several EU lands (32% Italy, 14% Germany, 10% France); 10% China; 5% USA. 利比亞是非洲最大原油出口國,1700萬噸/日。米國、NATO(北約)入侵後,降到30萬~40萬噸/日。 2. Gaddafi has been preparing to launch a gold dinar for oil trade with all of Africa's 200 million people and other countries interested. 格達費計畫在非洲發起以黃金為本位的非洲共同貨幣,供全非2億人口以及其他國家以之支付原油交易的通貨。 French President Nickola Sarkozi called this, "a threat for financial security of mankind". Much of France's wealth—more than any other colonial-imperialist power—comes from exploiting Africa. 法國總統Nickola Sarkozi稱此計畫「一個人類財務安全的威脅」。法國比其他殖民國嚴重:很多財富奪自其非洲殖民地。 3. Central Bank of Libya is 100% owned by state (since 1956) and is thus outside of multinational corporation control (BIS-Banking International Settlement rules for private interests). The state can finance its own projects and do so without interest rates 自1956年起,利比亞中央銀行100%國有,所以不受外國勢力滲透,與BIS(國際銀行交割組織)不同 -- 圖利私人。所以利率為零。 4. Gaddafi-Central Bank used $33 billion, without interest rates, to build the Great Man-Made River of 3,750 kilometers with three parallel pipelines running oil, gas and water supplying 70% of the people (4.5 of its 6 million) with clean drinking and irrigation water. 格達費的利比亞央行注資$330億建「大人工河專案」 -- 3750公里的管線輸送石油、天然氣、灌溉與飲用水,提供70%人民(6百萬中的4.5百萬人)所需。 5. The Central Bank also financed Africa's first communication satellite with $300 million of the $377 cost. It started up for all Africa, December 26, 2007, thus saving the 45-African nations an annual fee of $500 million pocketed by Europe for use of its satellites and this means much less cost for telephones and other communication systems. 2007-12-26,央行也注資$3億(專案$5億)發射非洲首顆通信衛星,免除非洲人支付$5億元予歐洲人提供的衛星服務。此舉,為通訊用戶省下鉅額荷包。 *** - Libya produces exceptionally high quality light crude oil and its production cost of $1 a barrel, compared to the current price of $115, is the lowest in the world.Riba (usury) is not permitted. - The Central bank of Libya is a wholly-owned by the Libyan Government and is run as a state bank, issuing all government loans free of interest. This is in contrast to the exploitative fractional reserve banking system of the West. - The Central bank of Libya is a wholly-owned by the Libyan Government and is run as a state bank, issuing all government loans free of interest. This is in contrast to the exploitative fractional reserve banking system of the West. http://libyasos.blogspot.com/p... The EU and US owe Libya over 200 BILLION$ for Libyan oil. - Also, oil concessions for western oil companies are due to expire in 2012., and Gaddafi said that if they don’t pay he would give the new concessions to Russian and Chinese oil companies. - The no-fly zone and the bombing of Libya have nothing to do with the protection of civilians.It is an act of war * a blatant and crude attempt by the oil It is an act of war * a blatant and crude attempt by the oil corporations and international bankers to steal the wealth of Libya. *** "I did all I could to help people understand the concept of real democracy, where people's committees ran our country. But that was never enough, as some told me, even people who had 10 room homes, new suits and furniture, were never satisfied, as selfish as they were they wanted more. They told Americans and other visitors, that they needed "democracy" and "freedom"... never realizing it was a cut throat system, where the biggest dog eats the rest, but they were enchanted with those words, never realizing that in America, there was no free medicine, no free hospitals, no free housing, no free education and no free food, except when people had to beg or go to long lines to get soup". ~ Mu’ummar Qaddafi SALUTE ! 格達費:「我盡一切所能想幫助人們認清真正的民主觀念,即:人民組織治國。但是,那還不夠。因為有人告訴我:即使有人擁有10棟房、新衣、傢俱,仍不知足,他們的自私心要的更多。那些人告訴米國人與遊客:他們要『民主』與『自由』...那些人不知道那是割喉制度。該制度中,最大隻的狗吃掉全部小隻的。但是那些人高喊要『民主』與『自由』這些口號,卻不知道在米國,沒有免費機具、免費醫院、免費住房、免費教育、免費食物,人們必須做乞丐或大排長龍去喝湯。」 *** You don't believe it because you are dumb. Rothschild bankers already sent the IMF to Libya so they can get their dirty banks in the country and no it wasn't Libyans, it was mercenaries from the UAE and QATAR, armed by QATAR, and basically hand walked in by NATO. Between July 1st and the end of August, there were demonstrations in all major Libyan cities, on July 1st alone 1.7 million Libyans came out, there is video taken of all these that the Western media never shows. The video footage of the so called "protestors" that they showed as evidence Gaddafi was shooting on his people, if you find the full video, and not the one scene, you'll see that right after where the Western news would cut the scene, if you keep playing the video, it pulls back from being zoomed in and you see its a pro-Gaddafi demonstration and they are being shot at. The people fighting for Qatar and the UAE are Islamic Fundamentalists and the people from Misrata, which just go do some research on its history and who lives there and you'll see they do not represent Libya or Libyans. ===== 心得: (1)NATO的成立目的是冷戰時期對抗華沙集團。華沙集團早已瓦解,波蘭已成為米國附庸。 NATO, (a)為何仍不解散? (b)有何權力侵略利比亞、令利比亞暴民(今日ISIL的前身)殺死格達費、凍結利比亞的海外資產? (c)為何與烏克蘭、波蘭軍演,包圍俄羅斯? (2)米國、NATO把利比亞搞成自相殘殺、國家分裂這般慘狀,米式民主值幾兩? (3)台灣哪一家媒體敢報導關於利比亞、格達費的事實? (4)台灣哪一個「西亞專家」知道關於利比亞、格達費的事實? 參考資料: 「台灣若成為USA第51州,應該不錯?」 https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NEW_ROC/M.1428512472.A.1BD.html 「World War II Veteran Arrested For Feeding Homeless Faces 2 Months In Jail」 「米國退伍老兵提供食物給饑民被捕」 http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2014/11/world-war-ii-veteran-arrested-for-feeding-homeless-faces-2-months-in-jail-2547712.html ==== 「Gaddafi's Libya Was Africa's Most Prosperous Democracy」 http://www.countercurrents.org/chengu120113.htm Contrary to popular belief, Libya , which western media described as "Gaddafi's military dictatorship" was in actual fact one of the world's most democratic States. In 1977 the people of Libya proclaimed the Jamahiriya or "government of the popular masses by themselves and for themselves." The Jamahiriya was a higher form of direct democracy with 'the People as President.' Traditional institutions of government were disbanded and abolished, and power belonged to the people directly through various committees and congresses. The nation State of Libya was divided into several small communities that were essentially "mini-autonomous States" within a State. These autonomous States had control over their districts and could make a range of decisions including how to allocate oil revenue and budgetary funds. Within these mini autonomous States, the three main bodies of Libya 's democracy were Local Committees, People's Congresses and Executive Revolutionary Councils. In 2009, Mr. Gaddafi invited the New York Times to Libya to spend two weeks observing the nation's direct democracy. Even the New York Times, that was always highly critical of Colonel Gaddafi, conceded that in Libya, the intention was that “everyone is involved in every decision...Tens of thousands of people take part in local committee meetings to discuss issues and vote on everything from foreign treaties to building schools.” The purpose of these committee meetings was to build a broad based national consensus. One step up from the Local Committees were the People's Congresses. Representatives from all 800 local committees around the country would meet several times a year at People's Congresses, in Mr. Gaddafi's hometown of Sirte, to pass laws based on what the people said in their local meetings. These congresses had legislative power to write new laws, formulate economic and public policy as well as ratify treaties and agreements. All Libyans were allowed to take part in local committees meetings and at times Colonel Gaddafi was criticised. In fact, there were numerous occasions when his proposals were rejected by popular vote and the opposite was approved and put forward for legislation. For instance, on many occasions Mr. Gaddafi proposed the abolition of capital punishment and he pushed for home schooling over traditional schools. However, the People's Congresses wanted to maintain the death penalty and classic schools, and ultimately the will of the People's Congresses prevailed. Similarly, in 2009, Colonel Gaddafi put forward a proposal to essentially abolish the central government altogether and give all the oil proceeds directly to each family. The People's Congresses rejected this idea too. One step up from the People's Congresses were the Executive Revolutionary Councils. These Revolutionary Councils were elected by the People's Congresses and were in charge of implementing policies put forward by the people. Revolutionary Councils were accountable only to ordinary citizens and may have been changed or recalled by them at any time. Consequently, decisions taken by the People's Congresses and implemented by the Executive Revolutionary Councils reflected the sovereign will of the whole people, and not merely that of any particular class, faction, tribe or individual. The Libyan direct democracy system utilized the word ‘elevation' rather than‘election', and avoided the political campaigning that is a feature of traditional political parties and benefits only the bourgeoisie's well-heeled and well-to-do. Unlike in the West, Libyans did not vote once every four years for a President and local parliamentarian who would then make all decisions for them. Ordinary Libyans made decisions regarding foreign, domestic and economic policy themselves. Several western commentators have rightfully pointed out that the unique Jamahiriya system had certain drawbacks, inter alia, regarding attendance, initiative to speak up, and sufficient supervision. Nevertheless, it is clear that Libya conceptualized sovereignty and democracy in a different and progressive way. Democracy is not just about elections or political parties. True democracy is also about human rights. During the NATO bombardment of Libya , western media conveniently forgot to mention that the United Nations had just prepared a lengthy dossier praising Mr. Gaddafi's human rights achievements. The UN report commended Libya for bettering its "legal protections" for citizens, making human rights a "priority," improving women's rights, educational opportunities and access to housing. During Mr. Gaddafi's era housing was considered a human right. Consequently, there was virtually no homelessness or Libyans living under bridges. How many Libyan homes and bridges did NATO destroy? One area where the United Nations Human Rights Council praised Mr. Gaddafi profusely is women's rights. Unlike many other nations in the Arab world, women in Libya had the right to education, hold jobs, divorce, hold property and have an income. When Colonel Gaddafi seized power in 1969, few women went to university. Today more than half of Libya 's university students are women. One of the first laws Mr. Gaddafi passed in 1970 was an equal pay for equal work law, only a few years after a similar law was passed in the U.S. In fact, Libyan working mothers enjoyed a range of benefits including cash bonuses for children, free day care, free health care centres and retirement at 55. Democracy is not merely about holding elections simply to choose which particular representatives of the elite class should rule over the masses. True democracy is about democratising the economy and giving economic power to the majority. Fact is, the west has shown that unfettered free markets and genuinely free elections simply cannot co-exist. Organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy. How can capitalism and democracy co-exist if one concentrates wealth and power in the hands of few, and the other seeks to spread power and wealth among many? Mr. Gaddafi's Jamahiriya however, sought to spread economic power amongst the downtrodden many rather than just the privileged few. Prior to Colonel Gaddafi, King Idris let Standard Oil essentially write Libya 's petroleum laws. Mr. Gaddafi put an end to all of that. Money from oil proceeds was deposited directly into every Libyan citizen's bank account. One wonders if Exxon Mobil and British Petroleum will continue this practice under the new democratic Libya ? Democracy is not merely about elections or political parties. True democracy is also about equal opportunity through education and the right to life through access to health care. Therefore, isn't it ironic that America supposedly bombarded Libya to spread democracy, but increasingly education in America is becoming a privilege not a right and ultimately a debt sentence. If a bright and talented child in the richest nation on earth cannot afford to go to the best schools, society has failed that child. In fact, for young people the world over, education is a passport to freedom. Any nation that makes one pay for such a passport is only free for the rich but not the poor. Under Mr. Gaddafi, education was a human right and it was free for all Libyans. If a Libyan was unable to find employment after graduation the State would pay that person the average salary of their profession. For millions of Americans health care is also increasingly becoming a privilege not a right. A recent study by Harvard Medical School estimates that lack of health insurance causes 44,789 excess deaths annually in America . Under Mr. Gaddafi, health care was a human right and it was free for all Libyans. Thus, with regards to health care, education and economic justice, is America in any position to export democracy to Libya or should America have taken a leaf out of Libya 's book? Muammar Gaddafi inherited one of the poorest nations in Africa . However, by the time he was assassinated, Libya was unquestionably Africa 's most prosperous nation. Libya had the highest GDP per capita and life expectancy in Africa and less people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands . Libyans did not only enjoy free health care and free education, they also enjoyed free electricity and interest free loans. The price of petrol was around $0.14 per liter and 40 loaves of bread cost just $0.15. Consequently, the UN designated Libya the 53rd highest in the world in human development. The fundamental difference between western democratic systems and the Jamahiriya's direct democracy is that in Libya citizens were given the chance to contribute directly to the decision-making process, not merely through elected representatives. Hence, all Libyans were allowed to voice their views directly – not in one parliament of only a few hundred elite politicians – but in hundreds of committees attended by tens of thousands of ordinary citizens. Far from being a military dictatorship, Libya under Mr. Gaddafi was Africa 's most prospero us democracy. 被推文最多的David Kennedy回應:「讚!格達費的利比亞不允許存在的理由很簡單。它威脅西式『民煮』」。 ==== 文末補充: 推翻格達費「暴君」的主力有二: (1)米國流氓指揮下的北約(NATO)的密集空襲。 這個NATO暴力組織,現在又要對俄羅斯發動戰爭: http://www.rt.com/news/317564-trident-juncture-nato-drills/ (2)米國黑幫扶植的叛軍,今天的ISIL,在地面作亂。 這個ISIL,米國「打擊」了幾年,把不到ISIL的煉油廠、油罐車、油輪, 勢力卻越來越大。 俄羅斯出兵不過72小時,ISIL就抱頭鼠竄、丟盔棄甲。 https://tinyurl.com/nlubwaa - 到底誰是地球亂源? - 哪個黑道幫派是真正的「邪惡軸心,The Axis of Evil」? - 米式「民主」值幾兩? - 還除了台灣人,地球村還有哪些奴才仍在推捧米式「人道」? - 米國真是「台灣的忠實盟邦」? - 為何我國外交官在米國升國旗,就被米國老爹像小孩一樣大聲斥責? 該是澄清事實的時候了! 「蔡英文(DPP)上繳西方極樂帝國的貢品」: #1M0jbBlo (HatePolitics) https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/HatePolitics/M.1443027275.A.BF2.html -- 帝國無友邦,只有附庸國敵國。二選一。且附庸或敵國,由美方機動認定。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ※ 轉錄者: kogamasao (155.4.214.218), 10/21/2016 00:44:42 ※ 編輯: kogamasao (155.4.214.218), 10/21/2016 00:46:33
gn1384181: 美國就是世界上頭號攪屎棍,第二號就是 1.168.35.14 10/21 06:51
gn1384181: 英國,地緣決定英美的國際戰略方針,要 1.168.35.14 10/21 06:52
gn1384181: 是歐亞大陸順風順水,這兩個懸於海外的 1.168.35.14 10/21 06:53
gn1384181: 國家就要被邊緣化了,所以不斷给歐亞大 1.168.35.14 10/21 06:53
gn1384181: 陸舔亂到處搧風點火引爆戰爭就是這兩個 1.168.35.14 10/21 06:54
gn1384181: 國家的"使命" 1.168.35.14 10/21 06:54
hwp8: 臺灣表示不離不棄219.159.107.240 10/21 07:31
DarkHolbach: 上一次罵婊子隔天道歉,看看這次撐 134.208.57.42 10/21 09:08
DarkHolbach: 多久 134.208.57.42 10/21 09:08
DarkHolbach: 中國人很喜歡說民主帶來動亂,所以 134.208.57.42 10/21 09:20
DarkHolbach: 不要支持民主。 134.208.57.42 10/21 09:20
DarkHolbach: 咦?這麼怕動亂的話,抗日戰爭打完 134.208.57.42 10/21 09:20
DarkHolbach: 之後就乖乖給國民黨統治就好,幹嘛打 134.208.57.42 10/21 09:21
DarkHolbach: 國共內戰,然後還弄了大躍進、文革 134.208.57.42 10/21 09:21
DarkHolbach: 不對,這麼怕動亂回清朝算了,幹嘛 134.208.57.42 10/21 09:22
DarkHolbach: 成立民國弄個軍閥互鬥 134.208.57.42 10/21 09:22
hwp8: 樓上又幻覺了 中國人從來沒說民主不好219.159.107.240 10/21 11:20
hwp8: 只是說台灣這種偽民主 爛民主是反面樣板219.159.107.240 10/21 11:21
hwp8: 一看台灣這德性 就知道民主在爛國家沒意義219.159.107.240 10/21 11:22
DarkHolbach: 才怪,中國的官媒黨媒天天罵民主 134.208.57.42 10/21 12:22
venereal: 因為清朝及民國末期根本就是外國殖民地223.136.200.214 10/21 12:36
venereal: ,跟現在的台灣有99%相像!223.136.200.214 10/21 12:36
venereal: 台灣在1895~1945是日本殖民地,1945~1223.136.200.214 10/21 12:43
venereal: 984是美國殖民地,1984~現在是美日共同223.136.200.214 10/21 12:43
venereal: 的殖民地,台灣從來就不是個國家,也從223.136.200.214 10/21 12:43
venereal: 來未曾光復,一直都是殖民地!!!223.136.200.214 10/21 12:43
venereal: 綠營是日本的代表,藍營是美國的代表~223.136.200.214 10/21 12:46
hwp8: 有請樓樓上dark提出中國官媒天天罵民主證據219.159.107.240 10/21 12:53
hwp8: 台灣喇叭嘴多 我也是不意外219.159.107.240 10/21 12:53
DarkHolbach: 嗯,也許沒有天天吧 134.208.57.42 10/21 12:58
hwp8: 去掉天天 罵民主的證據呢219.159.107.240 10/21 13:05
DarkHolbach: https://goo.gl/WXNPWX 134.208.57.42 10/21 13:47
hwp8: 樓上找半天找這麼個東西 笑死219.159.107.240 10/21 13:52
hwp8: "痛斥美國民主制度的弊端" 這叫罵民主?219.159.107.240 10/21 13:52
hwp8: 美式民主本來就有多弊端 指出來叫罵民主?219.159.107.240 10/21 13:53
hwp8: 你的國文是數學老師教的吧219.159.107.240 10/21 13:54
hwp8: 還是你們台灣人認為美國民主沒有缺點了>219.159.107.240 10/21 13:56
AVENTCHILD: 打打嘴炮就好了,你还叫她拿证据? 183.63.155.149 10/21 14:43
AVENTCHILD: 断章取义移花接木又不是一两天的事了 183.63.155.149 10/21 14:43
wo2323: 資料真全111.240.213.248 10/21 15:01
ianlin45: 哈哈,有人被教育了 118.163.95.172 10/21 15:14
DarkHolbach: 痛斥民主,然後說一黨專政比較好,這 134.208.57.42 10/21 16:38
DarkHolbach: 不算罵民主? 134.208.57.42 10/21 16:38
tFDA: 英美有文化優勢啊,看那精美的CCR 140.109.40.10 10/21 16:44
hwp8: 某d果然是數學老師教的國文219.159.107.240 10/21 18:00
andersontom: 某D是紅藍反串嗎?明明中共左講中國式 114.33.75.91 10/22 19:05
andersontom: 民主 右批歐美美帝都是假民主哪來罵? 114.33.75.91 10/22 19:05
skyhawkptt: 標準的美式陰謀論220.136.222.162 10/22 23:23
skyhawkptt: 標準的蘇聯好棒棒220.136.222.162 10/22 23:25
skyhawkptt: 在IA板屢遭板主因違規刪文220.136.222.162 10/22 23:26
skyhawkptt: 連X商也鼓掌助陣,真是奇觀220.136.222.162 10/22 23:29
skyhawkptt: KGB頭子領導的國家從未見到批判220.136.222.162 10/23 00:33
skyhawkptt: 俄羅斯媒體年前才被大肆整肅合併220.136.222.162 10/23 00:42
skyhawkptt: 故意視而不見,今日俄羅斯報導會公平220.136.222.162 10/23 00:44
skyhawkptt: 公正???伊塔-塔斯社的立場????220.136.222.162 10/23 00:45
wo2323: 幹嘛一直噓? @@111.240.235.148 10/23 01:17
skyhawkptt: 如果原Po的文是發在paranormal板,不220.136.213.238 10/23 13:57
skyhawkptt: 會顯得如此突兀,問題是一路從IA220.136.213.238 10/23 13:59
skyhawkptt: CrossStrait/PublicIssue還被板主刪文220.136.213.238 10/23 14:00
skyhawkptt: 和警告,講來說去就是那一點,完全沒220.136.213.238 10/23 14:02
skyhawkptt: 有對蘇聯有任何批評之意,這種忽略現220.136.213.238 10/23 14:03
skyhawkptt: 實文能不噓嗎?220.136.213.238 10/23 14:04