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→ gingereater:然後台灣撐夠久還是有可能會贏 140.112.239.73 11/07
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推 gogobloke:不是有先安內 再攘外的諺語嗎~~QQ 61.63.34.137 11/07
→ vicamo:暴動！暴動！暴動！暴動！暴動！暴動！ 140.112.251.88 11/07
→ vicamo:最好讓那些統派看清楚中國的現況！ 140.112.251.88 11/07
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作者: edwwu (Edward) 看板: a-bian
標題: Re: [情報] 中國四川發生暴動
時間: Sun Nov 7 09:33:47 2004
※ 引述《edwwu (Edward)》之銘言：
: 標題: [情報] 中國四川發生暴動
: 時間: Sun Nov 7 05:53:10 2004
: 中國暴動頻傳 台灣要小心
: http://www.secretchina.com/news/articles/4/11/5/74908b.html
: 十天三起大暴動 中共坐在火山口上
: 河南漢回集體械鬥 四川漢源10萬農民暴動 重慶萬州暴動
: http://www.secretchina.com/news/articles/4/11/5/74908b.html
: ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc)
: ◆ From: 24.136.23.19
: 推 lsc2k:快了 一億人同時暴動的革命就在眼前了 69.162.36.166 11/07
: 推 gingereater:要鎮壓暴動當然就拿台灣開刀吧 140.112.239.73 11/07
: → gingereater:然後台灣撐夠久還是有可能會贏 140.112.239.73 11/07
: 推 ppfm00:樓上的真是樂觀阿 210.208.143.131 11/07
: 推 gogobloke:不是有先安內 再攘外的諺語嗎~~QQ 61.63.34.137 11/07
: → vicamo:暴動！暴動！暴動！暴動！暴動！暴動！ 140.112.251.88 11/07
: → vicamo:最好讓那些統派看清楚中國的現況！ 140.112.251.88 11/07
: 推 aroundyou:擾外可以凝聚分裂國家的共識啦 老蔣有云 210.66.19.9 11/07
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: 推 gogobloke:天下未亂蜀先亂 61.63.34.137 11/07
: 推 Ricecan:可是鎮壓一下就沒了，他們政權還是穩坐阿 218.167.40.183 11/07
民族主義的力量的確不可輕忽,但是有時也不要太過於高估
若是民族主義真的在凝聚共識上真的那麼有效,當初中共怎麼不一起抗日而是
趁機搞內亂坐大? 臺灣真要打,一定得要撐夠久,軍購當然是必須的.
台灣只要能撐夠久,中國無瑕顧及內地,到時中國內亂外患一起來,台灣才有嬴的機會
我們都知道,真的開打,在軍事上當然是輸,只有撐夠久才有機會贏
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最好是新疆維吾爾族,回族那些也自認是中華民族,台灣屬於中國的啦
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→ tenchai:當時國共兩陣營，根本沒人真搞民族主義~~ 61.228.170.5 11/07
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作者: mattel (綠蟻安睡地herzog) 看板: a-bian
標題: Re: [情報] 中國四川發生暴動
時間: Sun Nov 7 11:32:24 2004
※ 引述《edwwu (Edward)》之銘言：
: 中國暴動頻傳 台灣要小心
: http://www.secretchina.com/news/articles/4/11/5/74908b.html
: 大概會有人質疑這是自由時報的報導,好吧
: 十天三起大暴動 中共坐在火山口上
: 河南漢回集體械鬥 四川漢源10萬農民暴動 重慶萬州暴動
: http://www.secretchina.com/news/articles/4/11/5/74908b.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23519-2004Nov3.html
Civil Unrest Challenges China's Party Leadership
Protests Growing Larger, More Frequent, Violent
By Philip P. Pan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, November 4, 2004; Page A18
BEIJING, Nov. 3 -- As police battled to suppress deadly ethnic clashes
last week in central China, tens of thousands of rice farmers fighting a
dam project staged a huge protest in the western part of the country. The
same day, authorities crushed a strike involving 7,000 textile workers.
A week earlier, a large crowd of retirees demanding pension payments
blocked traffic for days in a city in the east; nearly a thousand workers
demonstrated outside a newly privatized department store in the northeast;
and police used rubber bullets and tear gas to quell a giant mob of
anti-government rioters in a western city.
The string of disturbances, described by local journalists, witnesses and
participants, highlights the daily challenge that civil unrest now poses to
the ruling Communist Party. Despite historic economic growth that has lifted
millions out of poverty, protests and riots in the world's most populous
country are occurring with increasing frequency, growing in size and ending
more often in violence.
This expansion of social strife has yet to shake the party's authoritarian
grip on power. But the trend, evident in the government's own police
statistics, has prompted alarm at the highest levels of the Chinese
leadership, which has repeatedly declared social stability its top
priority.
The Communist Party has indicated it is worried that these outbursts of
discontent might coalesce into large-scale, organized opposition to its
rule. The concern was apparent in a report by its Central Committee in
September urging officials to improve governance and warning that "the life
and death of the party" was at stake.
"The Soviet Union used to be the world's number one socialist country, but
overnight the country broke up and political power collapsed," Vice President
Zeng Qinghong wrote last month in the People's Daily, the party's flagship
newspaper. "One important reason was that in their long time in power,
their system of governing became rigid, their ability to govern declined,
people were dissatisfied with what the officials accomplished, and the
officials became seriously isolated from the masses."
There were more than 58,000 major incidents of social unrest in the country
last year, about 160 per day on average, according to the party magazine
Outlook. That was an increase of 15 percent over 2002 and nearly seven times
the figure reported by the government just a decade ago. Another study of
police statistics, by Murray Scot Tanner, a scholar at the U.S.-based Rand
Corp., concluded the demonstrations were growing in size while violence,
including attacks on party and state officials, was also on the rise.
"Research institutes like our center are working on this issue day and n
ight, and so is the government," said He Zengke, executive director of the
China Center for Comparative Politics and Economics in Beijing. "We all know
the importance and urgency of the problem."
The incidents that erupted over the past two weeks illustrate the wide
variety of factors behind this wave of unrest: tensions between the Han
ethnic majority and ethnic and religious minorities such as the Muslim
Hui; a widening wealth gap and persistent government corruption; the seizure
of farmland for development; and layoffs associated with the transition from
socialism to capitalism.
The party once blamed domestic unrest on subversives and foreign agents, b
ut it now acknowledges that many taking part in these protests have
legitimate grievances. Officials also recognize that protests are inevitable
in a rapidly changing country and can serve as a safety valve for pent-up
public anger.
Wang Yukai, a professor at the National School of Administration, which
trains government officials, said most protesters were among the poor who
have suffered in the transition to a market economy and have been unable
to protect their rights through approved channels. He said the party's
recent call to improve governance is an attempt to address this problem
by making officials more responsive to the public and less corrupt.
But the party, under the leadership of President Hu Jintao, has ruled out
democratic reform as an option, choosing instead to experiment with
broadening its base and making leaders more accountable to party members. I
t has also adopted a carrot-and-stick approach toward protests, giving in to
some demands while arresting activists and taking firm steps to prevent
demonstrations from spreading.
One of the party's key weapons is the control of information; officials
restrict or bar news reporting of all social unrest. But with the growing
use the Internet and e-mail, widening access to overseas news media and the
prevalence of cell phones and text messaging, censorship is becoming more
difficult.
Word of a traffic dispute between Han and Hui villagers in central Henan
province spread so quickly last week that thousands rioted before police
could respond. More worrisome for the authorities, residents reported that
hundreds if not thousands of Hui from other parts of China learned of the
clashes by telephone and rushed to the region.
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作者: tsetse (C.E.D Queen～*) 看板: a-bian
標題: Re: [情報] 中國四川發生暴動
時間: Sun Nov 7 13:35:07 2004
※ 引述《edwwu (Edward)》之銘言：
: ※ 引述《edwwu (Edward)》之銘言：
: : 標題: [情報] 中國四川發生暴動
: : 時間: Sun Nov 7 05:53:10 2004
: : 中國暴動頻傳 台灣要小心
: : http://www.secretchina.com/news/articles/4/11/5/74908b.html
: : 十天三起大暴動 中共坐在火山口上
: : 河南漢回集體械鬥 四川漢源10萬農民暴動 重慶萬州暴動
: : http://www.secretchina.com/news/articles/4/11/5/74908b.html
: : ◆ From: 24.136.23.19
: : 推 lsc2k:快了 一億人同時暴動的革命就在眼前了 69.162.36.166 11/07
: : 推 gingereater:要鎮壓暴動當然就拿台灣開刀吧 140.112.239.73 11/07
: : → gingereater:然後台灣撐夠久還是有可能會贏 140.112.239.73 11/07
: : 推 ppfm00:樓上的真是樂觀阿 210.208.143.131 11/07
: : 推 gogobloke:不是有先安內 再攘外的諺語嗎~~QQ 61.63.34.137 11/07
: : → vicamo:暴動！暴動！暴動！暴動！暴動！暴動！ 140.112.251.88 11/07
: : → vicamo:最好讓那些統派看清楚中國的現況！ 140.112.251.88 11/07
: : 推 aroundyou:擾外可以凝聚分裂國家的共識啦 老蔣有云 210.66.19.9 11/07
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: : 推 gogobloke:天下未亂蜀先亂 61.63.34.137 11/07
: : 推 Ricecan:可是鎮壓一下就沒了，他們政權還是穩坐阿 218.167.40.183 11/07
: 民族主義的力量的確不可輕忽,但是有時也不要太過於高估
: 若是民族主義真的在凝聚共識上真的那麼有效,當初中共怎麼不一起抗日而是
: 趁機搞內亂坐大? 臺灣真要打,一定得要撐夠久,軍購當然是必須的.
: 台灣只要能撐夠久,中國無瑕顧及內地,到時中國內亂外患一起來,台灣才有嬴的機會
: 我們都知道,真的開打,在軍事上當然是輸,只有撐夠久才有機會贏
誠如上面所言 我想不少人也都有一樣的預估
可是我剛剛想了一下
台灣扭轉劣勢之時
恐怕也是要陷入內憂外患之時
大家現在都知道台灣有很多中國人
而中國人又控制媒體發言權
誰知道那時候他們會部會又主張打回大陸-_-b
以前到現在 反攻大陸因為根本不可能
所以許多人選擇保持現狀
進而有機會被本土想法侵染
反之 反攻大陸轉瞬間變成可能的話
不曉的數十年來的黨國教育會不會又敗部復活
--
「這代表民主理想雖然在國民黨裡找不到，卻已在台灣生根茁壯。」
- John J. Tkacik Jr.
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