What the hell is wrong with Taiwan???

[omegadeath (歐玫嘎)]

Well done for voting Ma as President! The disciple of killer Kaishek's
dictator son! Protected by the KMT in order to appear clean and orderly while
doing as he pleases, even talking to the press during the election polls when
all should be silent! He's a lover of himself, and will do all in his own
interest.

If people voted for Ma because of Chen, then why was Hsieh the presidential
candidate and not Chen? Only idiots will believe that Chen=Hsieh. It's too
late now to open your eyes!

You'll be sorry for voting for him! Not for the first two years maybe, but
look forward to the cheaper high tech smart labor taking over the Taiwan
labor and increasing the unemployment rate amongst Taiwanese, or Chinese as
will be the case under Ma.

What happened to national identity? National pride? I'm very disappointed in
the Hello Kitty brains of Taiwan! Time to go back to Europe, where they still
have a sense of democracy, and don't beg for Hitler's SS to come back.

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作者: chinkdaddy01 (chinkdaddy01) 看板: EngTalk
標題: Re: What the hell is wrong with Taiwan???
時間: Tue Mar 25 11:41:16 2008

Well, it's unfair to just talk about how bad the person is if you don't
support this person. I believe Ma won with a land slide because of
Chen wasn't doing so well. Come to think of it, I believe the base of
each politian should be the goal of better Taiwan.

Well, I remember reading articles similar to yours when Chen got elected.
So why don't we just sit tight and hope for a better future?

Talking about national identity, is it really that important? Would you
really choose pride than to help the poor and improve the country?

I don't even think Taiwan has a good enough foundation to even claim
national idendity.

Meh, I just hope people can just work on things that need to be worked on
and end those yapping. Both the people and the politians.








※ 引述《omegadeath (歐玫嘎)》之銘言：
: Well done for voting Ma as President! The disciple of killer Kaishek's
: dictator son! Protected by the KMT in order to appear clean and orderly while
: doing as he pleases, even talking to the press during the election polls when
: all should be silent! He's a lover of himself, and will do all in his own
: interest.
: If people voted for Ma because of Chen, then why was Hsieh the presidential
: candidate and not Chen? Only idiots will believe that Chen=Hsieh. It's too
: late now to open your eyes!
: You'll be sorry for voting for him! Not for the first two years maybe, but
: look forward to the cheaper high tech smart labor taking over the Taiwan
: labor and increasing the unemployment rate amongst Taiwanese, or Chinese as
: will be the case under Ma.
: What happened to national identity? National pride? I'm very disappointed in
: the Hello Kitty brains of Taiwan! Time to go back to Europe, where they still
: have a sense of democracy, and don't beg for Hitler's SS to come back.

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作者: qmouwu (jeff) 看板: EngTalk
標題: Re: What the hell is wrong with Taiwan???
時間: Tue Mar 25 12:12:39 2008

First of all, I'm not here to start any arguments. I just want to say some
things that are on my mind. Just a simple discussion. That's all

Regarding the presidential election, well, I'm not a Taiwanese citizen but
I am living in Taiwan so I didn't get to vote in this past election.

In response to the original post, I just wanted to say if Chen does not equal
Hsieh, then why do you say that Ma is the disciple of the party in power of
the 228 incident?

I firmly believe that people can change. It's true that Hsieh doesn't
represent all the things that went wrong during the Chen era. But then doesn't
logic tell us that things that went wrong with the KMT shouldn't be blamed
onto the next few generations? It's slightly hypocritical for you to say those
things.

If I were a Taiwanese citizen, I would have voted for Chen during the very
first election because he brought a newer outlook for Taiwan. During his
re-election campaign, I was still leaning towards Chen also. After these 8
years, I think a change is in order.

This is mirrored in US politics. Bush has been president for 8 years now also
and I believe that the citizens of the United States would like a change too.
This is the main reason why Obama and Clinton are so popular with the voting
population. Not just with the voting population, but with the younger people
who don't yet have the right to vote, but are clear in thinking that a new
direction is needed.

I believe that this is the purpose of democracy. Citizens can vote for a
change in direction when they believe it is necessary. Not only in the US, but
in Taiwan. And democracy is moving in a positive direction with the changes
started with President Chen. (I'm not equating economics and politics).

I know maybe there is a lot of history that I don't know regarding the past
corruption or indecencies put forth by whichever party. Personally, I only use
that as a reference and look to see what each party puts forth for the future.
With this recent election, I got the better feeling of leadership from Ma.
Hopefully, Taiwan's future will be better and brighter.

I'm not a Taiwanese citizen, but I have Taiwanese pride also. I want to see
an economic boom and growth. I want to see this country succeed on the
international level. I want to see a change. And so that's probably why I
supported the different outlook this time.

It's not about which party I support. I switch every time. I look to see how
a candidate presents himself/herself. I have my own thoughts and if a
candidate is closer to what I support, then that's the candidate that will
receive my vote.

I hope no one takes any of this personally. I just wanted to express my own
opinions on politics and the recent events. To anyone who actually read up
to here, I'd like to hear some of your thoughts also. Thanks!

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※ 編輯: qmouwu          來自: 118.168.71.25        (03/25 12:16)
推 emmycrystle:same here!I didnt vote because who did bad or not
→ emmycrystle:I voted because I just thoght maybe a change migh
→ emmycrystle:be good for Taiwan as well.
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作者: army (滿手王 就攤牌阿!) 看板: EngTalk
標題: Re: What the hell is wrong with Taiwan???
時間: Tue Mar 25 15:31:52 2008

The more I read the original post the more it pisses me off.

DPP attacks Ma for holding a greencard when 金美齡 can give up

her nationality after losing an election. I'm not sure if the

writer of the original post is a DPP supporter, but compared to

people who leave the country in face of difficulties, I would give

my vote to those who want to stay and make a difference any day!

I agree with the prior two articles (which are much more rational,

for one...) and I hope all can vote, according to personal judgement,

for the one who can lead us in making Taiwan a better place.

Politics is not just standing in a crowd shouting out "diow!"

in reply to whatever politicians say. Please try to remain rational

and utilize your better judgement!

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作者: HoJinChang (亞公話要執首尾) 看板: EngTalk
標題: Re: What the hell is wrong with Taiwan???
時間: Tue Mar 25 22:07:05 2008

※ 引述《qmouwu (jeff)》之銘言：
: This is mirrored in US politics. Bush has been president for 8 years now also
: and I believe that the citizens of the United States would like a change too.
: This is the main reason why Obama and Clinton are so popular with the voting
: population. Not just with the voting population, but with the younger people
: who don't yet have the right to vote, but are clear in thinking that a new
: direction is needed.

As you mentioned Mr Bush, I think he and his administration is so good at
brain washing and media manipulating. Seeing Hu Jin Tao was confronted by the
CNN correspondent about Tibet/Taiwan issue, it remind me how confident Mr Bush
was at the 5 years in Iraq anniversary conference. At that point he was still
claiming war on terrorism and stuff. There's no reporter asking him question
like where's the weapon of mass-destruction in Iraq. And how his team deflect
American's anger from Bin Laden to Saddam Hussein is the greatest Public
relations conjuring tricks of history. DPP is just rookie of the game..

: I believe that this is the purpose of democracy. Citizens can vote for a
: change in direction when they believe it is necessary. Not only in the US, but
: in Taiwan. And democracy is moving in a positive direction with the changes
: started with President Chen. (I'm not equating economics and politics).
: I know maybe there is a lot of history that I don't know regarding the past
: corruption or indecencies put forth by whichever party. Personally, I only use
: that as a reference and look to see what each party puts forth for the future.
: With this recent election, I got the better feeling of leadership from Ma.
: Hopefully, Taiwan's future will be better and brighter.

Somebody called it a landslide-losing for DPP this time, which I do not agree.
If it is 30% against 70% then it is landslide, but it is not the case. There's
still (Many)people believe if KMT win, the democracy of Taiwan would going
backwards. There's still many vote goes to KMT because of the trash talks, not
because they reckon Ma is the man. How long can the honey moon last for Ma and
his crew?? The clock is ticking already..After the Olympics the test is about
to begin..

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推 huggie:not landslide, merely 110 m. people change their mind
→ huggie:would turn the tide
推 army:"Tide?" Are you inferring that he won by a tidal wave? :P
推 huggie:http://www.thefreedictionary.com/turn+the+tide
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作者: UTEng (UTEng) 看板: EngTalk
標題: Re: What the hell is wrong with Taiwan???
時間: Wed Mar 26 17:49:35 2008


Ma says, as long as everyone has money, we can disregard Taiwan's identity.

Take out Ma's China direct flight, China investing in
Taiwan.., China that, china this... Ma's has nothing to offer to Taiwan.

He kept saying Taiwan should open doors to China,
which will bring money to Taiwan. But how can he be so sure that Chinese want
to bring any money Taiwan? Chinese is not stupid, they will want something
back from Taiwan.

When Chinese invests in Taiwan real estate, the housing prices
will soar. But look at the mid-class and the poor. Not many can afford houses
now....talk about the future.

Stocks prices will soar...but how many mid-class/poor families can afford to buy
stocks now? right..maybe you have few hundred thousands worth of stocks. When
Taipei index goes to 10000, maybe u only make few thousands. While the rich
makes tens of millions.

Ma's policies only help the rich get richer.
Good luck to everyone living in Taiwan.


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IT's really sad that KMT and its media has double standards,

Prior to the election win, they asked DDP to freeze gas/electricity prices
Saying that people cannot afford the high living costs. After the election,
they said that DDP is doing this on purpose to burn nationals fund, and give
a hot potate to KMT after 520.


In the past, they kept talking about Chen becoming an American's grandpa.
And now, they talk nothing about Ma's 2 American daughters...


This is a really messed up place. Open your eyes, taiwan!












※ 引述《HoJinChang (亞公話要執首尾)》之銘言：
: ※ 引述《qmouwu (jeff)》之銘言：
: : This is mirrored in US politics. Bush has been president for 8 years now also
: : and I believe that the citizens of the United States would like a change too.
: : This is the main reason why Obama and Clinton are so popular with the voting
: : population. Not just with the voting population, but with the younger people
: : who don't yet have the right to vote, but are clear in thinking that a new
: : direction is needed.
: As you mentioned Mr Bush, I think he and his administration is so good at
: brain washing and media manipulating. Seeing Hu Jin Tao was confronted by the
: CNN correspondent about Tibet/Taiwan issue, it remind me how confident Mr Bush
: was at the 5 years in Iraq anniversary conference. At that point he was still
: claiming war on terrorism and stuff. There's no reporter asking him question
: like where's the weapon of mass-destruction in Iraq. And how his team deflect
: American's anger from Bin Laden to Saddam Hussein is the greatest Public
: relations conjuring tricks of history. DPP is just rookie of the game..
: : I believe that this is the purpose of democracy. Citizens can vote for a
: : change in direction when they believe it is necessary. Not only in the US, but
: : in Taiwan. And democracy is moving in a positive direction with the changes
: : started with President Chen. (I'm not equating economics and politics).
: : I know maybe there is a lot of history that I don't know regarding the past
: : corruption or indecencies put forth by whichever party. Personally, I only use
: : that as a reference and look to see what each party puts forth for the future.
: : With this recent election, I got the better feeling of leadership from Ma.
: : Hopefully, Taiwan's future will be better and brighter.
: Somebody called it a landslide-losing for DPP this time, which I do not agree.
: If it is 30% against 70% then it is landslide, but it is not the case. There's
: still (Many)people believe if KMT win, the democracy of Taiwan would going
: backwards. There's still many vote goes to KMT because of the trash talks, not
: because they reckon Ma is the man. How long can the honey moon last for Ma and
: his crew?? The clock is ticking already..After the Olympics the test is about
: to begin..

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