（新聞）歐洲站SC爭議後續

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84882


Lewis Hamilton has accused Fernando Alonso of sour grapes over the
safety car controversy that has overshadowed the European Grand Prix.

小黑認為所謂歐洲站的SC疑雲只是小新在酸葡萄柚

Alonso and his Ferrari team have been left furious that Hamilton was able
to effectively escape without punishment for overtaking the safety car,
after it had been called out for Mark Weber's crash.

小新跟法拉利認為小黑成功的逃脫了超越SC（因為Webber飛天）的處罰，
因而感到很惱怒

Alonso and Ferrari believe delays by the FIA in handing Hamilton
the punishment allowed the Briton to build up enough of a cushion over
his nearest car to take a drive-through penalty without losing a place.

小新跟法拉利認為，FIA對小黑的處罰太晚了，
讓小黑賺到足夠的秒差可以免費得來速一次

AUTOSPORT understands, however, that the delays were caused simply by the
FIA getting hold of timing data, aerial film footage and transponder
location information to be 100 per cent sure that Hamilton had definitely
passed the safety car before the line.

然而AUTOSPORT得到的消息顯示，所謂的遲延只是因為FIA需要時間整理完時序資料、
空拍畫面以及位置感應器的資料百分一百的掌握以後才能斷定小黑在（安全車）線
後超了SC

Furthermore, the decision to hold Alonso and Massa behind the safety car
for half the lap that has upset them even more, was purely because the
FIA wanted to protect the medical car - which had been rushing to Webber's
aid following his accident.

此外，讓小新跟馬薩在SC後面跟半圈的決定讓法拉利更不爽，而這個決定只是因為FIA
要保護正在衝往Webber事故現場的醫療車

Quoted by the Press Association on Tuesday, Hamilton was asked whether
Alonso's moaning was a simple case of sour grapes.

根據Press Association（美聯社？）的報導，週二當小黑被問到小新的碎碎念是不是
單純酸葡萄心理時，他這樣回應：

"Yeah," said Hamilton. "I even saw him overtaken by a Sauber [Kamui Kobayashi]
 on the big screen. It's very unlike him to be overtaken by a Sauber so he
must have been completely in another world. But I don't understand why I
affected his race so much.

『Yeah。我甚至在大螢幕上看到他被一輛sauber 超掉。他被一輛sauber超越這是很
  不可能的事情。所以他必然魂已經飛到另一個世界去了。但我真的不懂為何我能
  如此大的影響他的比賽。』

"Everyone has a right to their opinion, and he must be disappointed with
his own result, but I didn't do anything to him."

『每個人都有說出他們意見的權利，他必然是對自己的成績感到很失望，
  但我真的沒對他做任何事。』

With rival teams not backing Ferrari's angry stance, Hamilton has even
defended the role of the stewards this year - who have shown themselves
more willing to let drivers compete rather than rush in to punish them
harshly for indiscretions.

在其他隊伍不怎贊成法拉利的惱怒之下，小黑還替賽會幹事說話，
今年幹事們貌似更傾向鼓勵車手互相超越而不是貿然施以處罰

"The FIA are doing an incredible job because they are allowing us to race
 this year," he said.

『FIA正在完成一樣了不起的工作，他們今年允許我們真正的去比賽。』

Hamilton's stance will do little to calm Ferrari down, whose president
Luca di Montezemolo said on Monday that the situation was 'unacceptable'.

小黑的反應當然沒有讓法拉利冷靜下來，
總裁Luca di Montezemolo週一說這種狀況是無法接受的

"The result of yesterday's race was misrepresentative," di Montezemolo
said on Ferrari's website. "Ferrari, which showed itself to be
competitive in the European Grand Prix, paid a price that was too high
for respecting the rules.

『昨天的比賽結果根本是胡搞！』Luca di Montezemolo在法拉利的網站上說，
『法拉利在歐洲站本來很有競爭力的，卻因為尊重規則而付出了過高的代價。』

"Meanwhile those who didn't follow the rules were penalised by the race
officials in a way that was less severe than the damage suffered by those
who did respect them.

『同時那些不守規矩的人，賽會官員對他們的處罰卻遠遠配不上他們對規則的不尊重』

"That is a very serious and unacceptable event that creates
dangerous precedents, throwing a shadow over the credibility of Formula 1."

『這是很嚴重且無法接受的事，而且創下了一個危險的先例，並危及F1的信譽』





http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84896

Fernando Alonso has apologised for over-reacting to the safety car
controversy at last weekend's European Grand Prix - and said he never
intended to fuel suspicions that the FIA had 'manipulated' the race.

小新已經為其在歐洲站後對於安全車爭議的過度反應道歉了
--他說他從未試圖挑起對『FIA操控比賽』的懷疑。

The Spaniard was furious after the race in Valencia - suggesting that the
FIA had favoured Lewis Hamilton by taking too long to hand him a punishment
for overtaking the safety car early in the event.

Those delays meant Hamilton was able to take a drive-through penalty without
losing position.

Two days on, Alonso has said he is much calmer about the situation -
and clarified that his remarks were fuelled by frustration that he
had lost positions by respecting the rules, while Hamilton had
effectively benefited from breaking the regulations.


這位西班牙人曾在賽後對於FIA在小黑超越安全車問題上判罰過遲提出了激烈的批評。
但2天後，小新說他已經冷靜多了--並澄清說當時他是對自己按規則走卻丟了位置，
而小黑破壞規則卻保住位置的實際情況感到憤恨。

"Obviously, in the clear light of day, I am much calmer than I was in the
moments immediately following the race," said Alonso in his diary column
on the official Ferrari website.

"At the time, I reacted emotionally and in that situation, it is all too
easy to adopt a tone and say things that can be interpreted wrongly,
giving rise to suspicions, something which I had no intention of doing.

"Sure, I understand that the stewards have a difficult job to do and they
have to take decisions that are not easy. What I meant was that those drivers
who, like us, respected the regulations, unfortunately, in this situation,
suffered much more than those who broke them, even though they were given
a penalty.

小新在他法拉利官網的日誌上寫道，
『顯然，在第二天，我要比比賽剛結束後冷靜許多。當時我的反應很情緒化，
  在那樣的情況下，很容易就會說出一些被錯誤解讀的話，讓人們開始想東
  想西，而這不是我的意思。』

『當然，我瞭解賽會幹事的工作不好作，要做出的決定並不簡單。我的意思是
  像我們這種尊重規則的車手，很不幸，在當時的情況下，卻比那些不守規則
  的車手損失更大，即使那些人也被給予了處罰。』

"And I am not referring to any of the drivers in particular:
 it's a general matter and I think we should talk about it
  together in a calm way, to ensure that things like this do
  not happen again."

『我當時沒有提到任何一名車手的名字。我只是講出一個狀況，我想我們
  應該一起冷靜討論它，以保證這樣的事情不會再發生。"

There had been speculation that the FIA could punish Alonso and his Ferrari
team for some of their outspoken remarks after Spain, but the governing body
gave no indication it intended to react. Alonso's apologetic comments will,
however, help serve to draw a line under the matter.

The FIA is aware, however, that the events of Sunday have highlighted several
potential problems with the current safety car regulations, and has called
an extraordinary meeting of thinktank, the Sporting Working Group, to go
through the issues next week ahead of the British Grand Prix.

此前有謠言說FIA準備處罰小新跟法拉利的過份言行，但FIA週二已經確認他們無意採
取進一步行動。小新的道歉無疑將會幫助此事儘早了結。FIA已經意識到周日的比賽
中安全車規則有一些潛在的問題，並將在下周的英國大獎賽上召集一次運動工作小組
的會議討論此事。

                  （譯按：阿就回復08年那個規則不就收工了…）

Alonso welcomed that move and hoped that any matters up in the air after
Valencia can be cleared up so there is no repeat controversy in the future.
"I was pleased to hear that the FIA has reacted promptly, calling an
extraordinary meeting of the Sporting Working Group and I am confident,
certain even, that all the points up for discussion will be cleared up in
a comprehensive fashion."

Despite losing valuable points in Valencia through the bad timing of the
safety car, Alonso remains upbeat about his title prospects.

"Even if the Valencia result was not what we wanted, it has not done
irreparable damage," he said. "It's true that the gap to the leader
has now jumped to 29 points, but we have not even reached the halfway
point of the season. We trail by just over one win, so the situation
is still very open.

"The updates we brought to Spain saw us make a step forward and get
closer to the front runners. I am satisfied with that, but also aware
that we must continue to push on with the development of the F10,
because we need to have a car capable of fighting for pole and to give
us the edge over our rivals as soon as possible.

"If we are now 29 points off the championship leader, it means that in
the next ten races, we have to score at least 30 more than whoever is in
the lead at any one time."

小新歡迎這樣的動作，並希望 歐洲站的鳥事未來能得以避免，『我很高興FIA有了反應，
召集了運動工作小組的特別會議，我有信心，這些大家談論的問題都會被解釋清楚。』
最後，雖然SC毀了上一站比賽，但小新依然對於總冠軍充滿了信心，『即使歐洲站的成
績並不是我們想要的，但這並沒有造成無法挽回的損失。確實現在與領先車手的積分差
距擴大到了29分，但賽季甚至還沒有過半。我們在僅僅獲得1場比賽勝利的情況下，也
還在射程範圍內，所以還很有得拼。』

『我們帶來這站的升級讓我們向前一步，我們接近了前面的車手，我對此感到滿意，
  但我們顯然必須全力推進F10賽車的研發，因為我們需要有一輛能拼杆位的賽車，
  以獲取我們領先對手的優勢。』

『如果我們現在落後領先者29分，這意味著在未來10場比賽中，我們必須至少比領先
  的人多拿30分。』






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◆ From: 114.43.119.205
※ 編輯: plamarshall     來自: 114.43.119.205       (06/30 11:54)
推 smartclever:銀石站之後就知道今年紅牛能不能橫掃排位賽了
→ smartclever:小黑加拿大杆位我覺得也是麥隊的遺作= =
推 seare:小新今年整個超雖的＝ ＝
→ chagy:                  有嗎???
推 seare:幾站除外啦＝ ＝
推 ACC50:比較衰的只有西班牙吧XD  最後一兩圈的時候爆胎-.-
推 AlonsoHC:先去改運再來說吧...
推 giaour:今年幹事們貌似更傾向鼓勵車手互相超越...
→ giaour:SC也是比賽的一部份....某車手: 超~~~
推 dxok0820:HAM講ALO被小林超越那段好白目 我都知道輪胎的差距他不知
→ dxok0820:道嗎 ALO被抄那裡都遲煞到打滑了
→ plamarshall:無差啦，全世界都知道小新在講小黑，也是只有小新自己
→ plamarshall:不知道呀～
→ schumychen:雖然說輪胎有差,但是小林跑的真的不錯阿~ALO如果速度
→ schumychen:快的話為啥在後面龜那麼久?就是自己跑的慢阿!
推 corlos:烏龜天堂是快很多也超不過的，C咖都能擋A咖
→ corlos:小林勝在軟胎剛用2,3圈，Alonso是用了50圈的硬胎
→ corlos:英國站就知道誰是廢鐵、誰是快車了
→ corlos:小林好強啊，下一站請繼續超掉Alonso給我看
→ AlonsoHC:穿新鞋當然跑的贏穿就鞋的啊~ 同樣穿新鞋那就未必囉!
→ AlonsoHC:　　　　　　　　　舊
推 c60203:中國站刷肛
推 corlos:Sauber再超一次，明年就準備用cosworth吧
→ AlonsoHC:要是小林速度快~ 那也就表示在他後面的那些人都很慢囉?
→ plamarshall:等一下，我記得大部分的時候小林後面不是小新吧XDDD
→ plamarshall:Button：靠！我被機槍掃射了！
→ plamarshall:是說Sauber也真厲害就是了，其實F10保護輪胎的能力甚
→ plamarshall:至比麥拉崙或紅牛都好（根據季前測試），Sauber的
→ plamarshall:這一招以後碰到極端狀況時不妨學一下
→ plamarshall:麥拉崙的一個車手絕對無法用這招
推 svuper:alo超不過小林是因為賽道是烏龜天堂，小林超過就變輪胎優勢
→ svuper:XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
→ svuper:因為賽道c咖都能擋a咖， 可是這麼厲害的a咖怎麼會擋不住哩?
推 svuper:所以意思是輪胎差不多所以因為賽道超不過去，後來輪胎爛了
推 svuper:才被超? 結論:人家輪胎可以比較耐用就是威~~~~~
推 ymcdc:被Sauber超又不是因為他...人家胎那麼厚怎麼贏...
推 xWadex:奇怪了..那Alonso怎麼不趁胎好的時候多超幾輛車阿???
推 svuper:樓上你很番喔XDDD沒看到他們說這裡是龜車天堂 超不過啦XDD
→ plamarshall:Button ：別再開槍了，全身都是洞了...
推 shiyhsien:可是小林超了啊...
推 ParanoiacBed:所以小林比較強 下一場請繼續上Podium給大家瞧瞧！
→ ParanoiacBed:瓦倫西亞本來就不好超 這有錯嗎？還有超不超的過不
→ ParanoiacBed:是止有車的因素 你的胎快爆了 你會想拼嗎？科科
推 awayaway:Sauber保護胎的能力在季前測試聽說也很優..
推 xWadex:好笑...Alonso被超車都幾乎是最後一圈了.....
推 svuper:所以說 一堆人在這裡說啥超不過是賽道，超的過是輪胎
→ svuper:就不知道是在講啥意思的
→ xWadex:拼死命阻擋比考慮胎爆合理多了
→ svuper:比較強就是可以上頒獎台???? 科科科科科
→ svuper:是不是有某方人馬的理論一直自打嘴巴???顆顆顆顆顆顆顆顆
推 mstar: MSC 表示：我好像還沒開砲
→ mstar:           趁綠燈超車->罰秒   等紅燈->被表損失十位
推 corlos:svuper你是手指中風是吧，一直科科科很好玩嗎？
→ corlos:無聊當有趣
推 ParanoiacBed:你就原諒他在現實生活中無法找到成就感讓他爽一下lol
推 aowen:小林只是車爛... 給他台好車 要超ALONSO也沒什麼啊...
→ aowen:F1早就是車子影響遠大於車手了= =
推 corlos:日本人想要進大車隊，需要更多的"天賦"
推 steven227:感覺小黑這個賽季 小動作好多歐@@"
推 erer1976:吃虧的都認了  佔便宜的就不要再鬥了
推 f9070050:好啦好啦~小林最強~硬要照這站排名來看的話~這樣開心啦
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作者: etduke (Duke Hsu) 看板: FORMULA1
標題: Re: （新聞）歐洲站SC爭議後續
時間: Wed Jun 30 20:29:53 2010

: --: ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc)
: ◆ From: 114.43.119.205
: ※ 編輯: plamarshall     來自: 114.43.119.205       (06/30 11:54)
: 推 smartclever:銀石站之後就知道今年紅牛能不能橫掃排位賽了          06/30 11:59
: → smartclever:小黑加拿大杆位我覺得也是麥隊的遺作= =               06/30 11:59
: 推 seare:小新今年整個超雖的＝ ＝                                   06/30 12:44
: → chagy:                  有嗎???                                 06/30 12:48
: 推 seare:幾站除外啦＝ ＝                                           06/30 12:51

小新不衰 只是車子比紅牛跟麥隊差一些

要比衰 兩隻牛應該不晃多讓 但是車子好  就弭補一些回來


: 推 ACC50:比較衰的只有西班牙吧XD  最後一兩圈的時候爆胎-.-           06/30 13:36
: 推 AlonsoHC:先去改運再來說吧...                                    06/30 13:49
: 推 giaour:今年幹事們貌似更傾向鼓勵車手互相超越...                  06/30 14:01
: → giaour:SC也是比賽的一部份....某車手: 超~~~                      06/30 14:01
: 推 dxok0820:HAM講ALO被小林超越那段好白目 我都知道輪胎的差距他不知  06/30 14:36
: → dxok0820:道嗎 ALO被抄那裡都遲煞到打滑了                         06/30 14:37
: → plamarshall:無差啦，全世界都知道小新在講小黑，也是只有小新自己  06/30 14:43
: → plamarshall:不知道呀～                                          06/30 14:44
: → schumychen:雖然說輪胎有差,但是小林跑的真的不錯阿~ALO如果速度    06/30 14:49
: → schumychen:快的話為啥在後面龜那麼久?就是自己跑的慢阿!           06/30 14:50
: 推 corlos:烏龜天堂是快很多也超不過的，C咖都能擋A咖                 06/30 14:54
: → corlos:小林勝在軟胎剛用2,3圈，Alonso是用了50圈的硬胎            06/30 14:54
: → corlos:英國站就知道誰是廢鐵、誰是快車了                         06/30 14:55
: → corlos:小林好強啊，下一站請繼續超掉Alonso給我看                 06/30 14:56

corlos 我說過不下百遍了

你要護航你支持的車手隨便你 (雖然你一直不承認拉)

但是  請你不要一直用八卦版酸民的口吻  "檢驗"其他19.5位車手
(0.5位是KUBICA 因為愛烏及屋    說"檢驗"是客氣  根本就是 明著酸、暗著表)



慢車為啥不能守快車?  如果按照這種邏輯

法拉利今年連前四都沒有資格拿阿

只能讓紅牛跟麥拉崙去搶

偶爾撿個尾刀 看看前面有沒有人自爆 站個頒獎台



可是規矩可不是這樣的阿

車況不論好壞  每個車手都有好好表現的權利阿

"就算沒有要爭世界冠軍" 好好守著也是對自己有利  憑啥要讓


今天就算HRT因為安全車   不小心變成P1  他也該好好守住


F1場上怎麼會有  菜鳥要讓世界冠軍 (指07') 三流車隊要讓次流車隊的道理? (是指車速)


: → AlonsoHC:穿新鞋當然跑的贏穿就鞋的啊~ 同樣穿新鞋那就未必囉!      06/30 14:58
: → AlonsoHC:　　　　　　　　　舊                                   06/30 14:59
: 推 c60203:中國站刷肛                                               06/30 15:01
: 推 corlos:Sauber再超一次，明年就準備用cosworth吧                   06/30 15:01


酸民語氣AGAIN~


: → AlonsoHC:要是小林速度快~ 那也就表示在他後面的那些人都很慢囉?    06/30 15:04
: → plamarshall:等一下，我記得大部分的時候小林後面不是小新吧XDDD    06/30 15:14
: → plamarshall:Button：靠！我被機槍掃射了！                        06/30 15:15
: → plamarshall:是說Sauber也真厲害就是了，其實F10保護輪胎的能力甚   06/30 15:16
: → plamarshall:至比麥拉崙或紅牛都好（根據季前測試），Sauber的      06/30 15:17
: → plamarshall:這一招以後碰到極端狀況時不妨學一下                  06/30 15:17
: → plamarshall:麥拉崙的一個車手絕對無法用這招                      06/30 15:19
: 推 svuper:alo超不過小林是因為賽道是烏龜天堂，小林超過就變輪胎優勢  06/30 15:55
: → svuper:XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD                06/30 15:55
: → svuper:因為賽道c咖都能擋a咖， 可是這麼厲害的a咖怎麼會擋不住哩?  06/30 15:57
: 推 svuper:所以意思是輪胎差不多所以因為賽道超不過去，後來輪胎爛了   06/30 16:01
: 推 svuper:才被超? 結論:人家輪胎可以比較耐用就是威~~~~~             06/30 16:03
: 推 ymcdc:被Sauber超又不是因為他...人家胎那麼厚怎麼贏...            06/30 16:14
: 推 xWadex:奇怪了..那Alonso怎麼不趁胎好的時候多超幾輛車阿???        06/30 16:37
: 推 svuper:樓上你很番喔XDDD沒看到他們說這裡是龜車天堂 超不過啦XDD   06/30 16:44
: → plamarshall:Button ：別再開槍了，全身都是洞了...                06/30 16:55
: 推 shiyhsien:可是小林超了啊...                                     06/30 17:51


: 推 ParanoiacBed:所以小林比較強 下一場請繼續上Podium給大家瞧瞧！    06/30 18:05
: → ParanoiacBed:瓦倫西亞本來就不好超 這有錯嗎？還有超不超的過不    06/30 18:07
: → ParanoiacBed:是止有車的因素 你的胎快爆了 你會想拼嗎？科科       06/30 18:08

小林是滿強的阿 至於誰比較強  就比較難比較了

他車慢  沒啥機會超人家車  守住總可以了吧

如果"小林不能守ALO"  那"法拉利怎麼可以守紅牛"  哈

還有  下次不要噓我ID  有本事就噓我的發言  我如果有說錯一定跟你道歉

: 推 awayaway:Sauber保護胎的能力在季前測試聽說也很優..               06/30 18:34
: 推 xWadex:好笑...Alonso被超車都幾乎是最後一圈了.....               06/30 18:59
: 推 svuper:所以說 一堆人在這裡說啥超不過是賽道，超的過是輪胎        06/30 18:59
: → svuper:就不知道是在講啥意思的                                   06/30 19:00
: → xWadex:拼死命阻擋比考慮胎爆合理多了                             06/30 19:00
: → svuper:比較強就是可以上頒獎台???? 科科科科科                    06/30 19:01
: → svuper:是不是有某方人馬的理論一直自打嘴巴???顆顆顆顆顆顆顆顆    06/30 19:02
: 推 mstar: MSC 表示：我好像還沒開砲                                 06/30 19:04
: → mstar:           趁綠燈超車->罰秒   等紅燈->被表損失十位        06/30 19:05
: 推 corlos:svuper你是手指中風是吧，一直科科科很好玩嗎？             06/30 19:07
: → corlos:無聊當有趣                                               06/30 19:08

其實svuper最為無聊的部分  就是鬼打牆的重覆你的言論

: 推 ParanoiacBed:你就原諒他在現實生活中無法找到成就感讓他爽一下lol  06/30 19:10

Corlos 一定很感謝你的雪中送炭

: 推 aowen:小林只是車爛... 給他台好車 要超ALONSO也沒什麼啊...        06/30 19:16
: → aowen:F1早就是車子影響遠大於車手了= =                           06/30 19:17
: 推 corlos:日本人想要進大車隊，需要更多的"天賦"                     06/30 19:20
: 推 steven227:感覺小黑這個賽季 小動作好多歐@@"                      06/30 19:24
: 推 erer1976:吃虧的都認了  佔便宜的就不要再鬥了                     06/30 19:28



看來這篇又要被鎖文了 嘖嘖

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