推 LRHaw:感覺上這有點在間接的捧小新的....兩個字母不方便打出來+_+ 08/02 04:35
推 CTHsieh:小新如果拿世界冠軍, 明年一號歸McLaren.... 08/02 04:40
推 darksdream:互相幫自己車手鋪路(?) KIMI AND ALONSO ? 08/02 04:50
推 colan8:該不會又是BRIATORE簽的線吧 真是勁爆的消息阿 08/02 06:18
推 JSFS:好噁心的嘴臉.... 08/02 07:14
推 jolinlove:現實世界就是這樣啊 沒什麼 互利共生而已 08/02 08:20
推 forgetta:很好啊 雷諾跟麥拉輪合作 可以期待大舒一站追個10分了 08/02 08:28
推 iamshaq:看到小新跟Kimi一起Keep walking xd 08/02 08:38
推 s52101025:車號不是比車隊積分嗎?? 08/02 08:58
推 mozunato:兩隊打一隊 看不出來McLaren有啥好處噎 08/02 09:15
推 ieDaniel:這種合作的事以前法拉利稱霸時就有發生過了XD 08/02 09:25
推 Yanten:Mclaren當然有好處啊 這樣明年才會有人帶著一號車手去報到 08/02 09:27
推 u1302094:這不算什麼。B牌的所有使用者年初就簽了共同合作協定 08/02 09:32
→ u1302094:（只是po出來沒人理我。）M牌早就該這樣做了。 08/02 09:32
→ altec6021:茶.. 搖想前幾年williams和Mclaren共通數據結果還是... 08/02 10:14
推 sedan:對雷諾來說算是"聯合次要敵人打擊主要敵人"吧... 08/02 10:37
推 pppppppppppk:合縱連橫?那法拉利趕快找頭又大來對抗一下XD 08/02 11:03
推 herroyuilh:他只是嘴巴上說說吧!不可能立刻執行..... 08/02 11:06
→ herroyuilh:真的要做也是土耳其後的大測試....mclaren的東西 08/02 11:07
→ herroyuilh:不是說用就用的XD 08/02 11:08
推 l52522kimo:策略聯盟...這個帥 08/02 12:10
推 Kaede:Renault + McLaren vs Ferrari + FIA 好戲! 08/02 12:32
推 AmadeusJun:有McLaren的支援 等著期待大舒一站追個10分吧... 08/02 14:45
推 boublecat:想請問一下原po文章的出處 08/02 15:20
→ boublecat:因為我在bbc上都沒有看到這則合作的新聞 08/02 15:20
推 SIG552:推h大的說法，真要合作也不是那麼快就能把系統整合在一起， 08/02 16:11
→ SIG552:況且賽事已經過了2/3...不過紅軍也不能太大意啦，畢竟剩下 08/02 16:12
→ SIG552:10分說多不多，說少不少～ 08/02 16:13
推 LRHaw:只有1號是跟著車手冠軍走的喔 08/02 16:28
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作者: masterhikki (歐西里斯的天空熊) 看板: FORMULA1
標題: Re: [情報] McLaren將與Renault合作
時間: Wed Aug 2 12:03:00 2006
實在是不懂邁凱輪和雷諾合作幹什麼?
從目前角度 資料看來 似乎只對雷諾有利而已
對於邁凱輪來說 完全看不到什麼利益可言
或許是雙方之間還有什麼約定沒說出來
只是對於邁凱輪來說 這個舉動還是很匪夷所思
若是邁凱輪想幫阿龍嫂拿下世界冠軍 好讓明年他轉到邁凱輪有個好名稱
那麼對於現在的Kimi又是情何以堪
唉唉...
※ 引述《PianoSpirit (琴鍵)》之銘言：
: 由於Ferrari車隊在最近幾場比賽都非常強勢，McLaren車隊深知這是Michelin輪胎失去原
: 有優勢，對手Bridgestone日漸強大的結果，所以他們宣布將與同樣採用Michelin輪胎的
: Renault車隊合作，以求扭轉目前的情勢。
: McLaren首席執行長Martin Whitmarsh表示：「現在年度冠軍的爭奪變得很刺激，Renault
: 是支很強的車隊，Alonso是很棒的世界冠軍，但Ferrari目前情勢看漲。不過Michelin、
: Renault還有McLaren將會一起努力，因為我們有共同的利益，我們都想在剩下的賽季中打
: 敗Ferrari。不過Hungaroring的需求跟Hockenheim完全不同，所以我們得以後三場比賽的
: 趨向來思考。」
: Whitmarsh認為Renault車隊在德國GP跑不好，是因為後輪起泡的關係，造成後輪起泡的原
: 因正是因為沒有裝上質量避震器，而他們將與Renault分享新的前端設計，看能不能幫助
: 他們降低對於質量避震器的依賴。他說：「在最近幾場比賽我們用上了新的前端結構，
: Renault車隊在這個週末也要跟進這種設計。懸吊系統的功用有兩個，它們得讓輪胎與地
: 面保持最大接觸面積，另外就是整合於空氣動力設計之中，假如你仔細看一下現在的F1賽
: 車，早就沒有那種用四根避震器加彈簧的線性懸吊系統。因此某些車隊對於質量避震器的
: 依賴程度非常高，假如你問其他車隊的工程師，他們可能會跟你說質量避震器可以讓單圈
: 成績平均減少0.2到0.3秒。」
: 轉自：RacingNet
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→ forgetta:Kimi已經落後51分 這站如果沒有追2分回來 08/02 12:04
→ forgetta:就確定提前出局了 08/02 12:05
→ forgetta:到現在 今年車手冠軍的合理競爭者只剩下兩位了 08/02 12:06
→ forgetta:車隊積分來說 麥拉倫也是自成一個集團 追不上前面 08/02 12:07
→ forgetta:也不怕後面的追兵 08/02 12:07
推 yamatobar:kimi早就已經出局了(Mclaren的爛車+爛策略) 08/02 13:11
推 MikaHakkinen:現在反倒是McLaren最穩，大概年度老三跑不掉了 08/02 13:51
→ MikaHakkinen:雷諾和紅軍還有得爭，至於本田頭又大排名也不可能比 08/02 13:52
→ MikaHakkinen:McLaren要好 08/02 13:52
推 colan8:KIMI一個人贏頭又大兩人 XD 08/02 14:35
推 sirlers:這件事也是因為McLaren策略爛嗎?XD 08/02 14:49
→ colan8:到尾聲才想合作 這個老闆到底在打啥如意算盤 08/02 21:16
推 Yanten:提前讓alonso感受消失的尾翼 ?題早適應明年的環境??<囧> 08/03 03:05
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作者: boublecat (光) 看板: FORMULA1
標題: Re: [情報] McLaren將與Renault合作
時間: Wed Aug 2 15:29:28 2006
正確的新聞到底是雙方會合作
還是Renault to use mass dampers in Hungary?
我在國外的網頁上都是看到他們會在這周使用mass damper
BBC甚至用Fading Alonso gets title lifeline 作標題
Renault have confirmed that they will use mass dampers during this weekend’s
Hungarian Grand Prix. The move follows notification from the FIA that teams,
who choose to use the controversial technology before a hearing into the
matter has been held, will not be penalised.
from http://www.formula1.com/race/news/4738/763.html
合作的文章只有中文網頁有
到底是真的還是假的? 感覺很不真實
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作者: deanlin () 看板: FORMULA1
標題: Re: [情報] McLaren將與Renault合作
時間: Wed Aug 2 15:40:38 2006
※ 引述《boublecat (光)》之銘言：
: 正確的新聞到底是雙方會合作
: 還是Renault to use mass dampers in Hungary?
: 我在國外的網頁上都是看到他們會在這周使用mass damper
: BBC甚至用Fading Alonso gets title lifeline 作標題
: Renault have confirmed that they will use mass dampers during this weekend’s
: Hungarian Grand Prix. The move follows notification from the FIA that teams,
: who choose to use the controversial technology before a hearing into the
: matter has been held, will not be penalised.
: from http://www.formula1.com/race/news/4738/763.html
: 合作的文章只有中文網頁有
: 到底是真的還是假的? 感覺很不真實
McLaren vow to work with Renault
McLaren have vowed to work with fellow Michelin team Renault to try and end
Ferrari's current domination of Formula One.
With Michelin having lost its advantage over rival Bridgestone, McLaren F1
CEO Martin Whitmarsh believes it is vital that his team and Renault unite in
a bid to change the situation.
But he believes it may be too much to expect the current formbook to change
much by this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix.
"It's an exciting championship now," admitted Whitmarsh, referring to
Ferrari's closing down on Renault in the title chase. "Renault are a strong
team and Alonso is a great world champion, but at the moment there has been
an upswing by Ferrari.
"Michelin, Renault and McLaren will be working hard together though, because
there is a common interest. We all want to beat Ferrari for the rest of the
season.
"But the requirements of the Hungaroring are quite different to Hockenheim,
so you have to say the trend of the last three races is worrisome."
Whitmarsh believes that Renault's difficulties in Germany, where bad
blistering of their rear tyres caused their worst result of the season, was
almost certainly caused by the banning of their mass damper system.
"In the last few races we've moved to a new front construction," said
Whitmarsh. "Renault have joined us on that construction now this weekend.
"Suspension systems are doing two things, they are dealing with the surface
of the road, the highest average contact patch load and controlling the
aerodynamic attitude of the vehicle.
"If you look at all F1 cars now, not one has a simple linear suspension
system, with four dampers and four springs. Some people rely on mass dampers
more than others.
"If you talk to engineers on average they will be people taking various
views. On average they are worth up to 0.2 of seconds per lap - 0.3 is the
maximum."
Source: www.autosport.com
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作者: JSFS (小斑馬) 看板: FORMULA1
標題: Re: [情報] McLaren將與Renault合作
時間: Thu Aug 3 00:19:12 2006
※ 引述《deanlin ()》之銘言：
(恕刪)
: "In the last few races we've moved to a new front construction," said
: Whitmarsh. "Renault have joined us on that construction now this weekend.
: "Suspension systems are doing two things, they are dealing with the surface
: of the road, the highest average contact patch load and controlling the
: aerodynamic attitude of the vehicle.
: "If you look at all F1 cars now, not one has a simple linear suspension
: system, with four dampers and four springs. Some people rely on mass dampers
: more than others.
: "If you talk to engineers on average they will be people taking various
: views. On average they are worth up to 0.2 of seconds per lap - 0.3 is the
: maximum."
: Source: www.autosport.com
對不起
個人認為這跟分享測試數據是完全不同等級的"合作"
測試數據只是一個feedback的結果,各隊的工程師會如何分析解釋轉化成設計與設定
那是一個隊伍設計賽車的know how
直接把設計結構分享給別隊
這種行為跟亞囧里車隊當初被質疑會不會直接變成四台RA106不是一樣嗎?
如果麥拿輪可以大大方方的把前懸掛構造分給雷諾用
為什麼亞囧里要拿Arrows的車體苦撐?
這樣的行為不會違反FIA關於車輛開發的規定嗎?
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推 boublecat:推 08/03 01:28
推 kaihon:個人認為 宣示大於實質意義~"~ 08/03 09:23