[情報] Gracia says Briatore ban excessive

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標題[情報] Gracia says Briatore ban excessive

時間Tue Sep 22 23:06:24 2009

Spanish motorsport federation chief Carlos Gracia says the ban imposed on Flavio Briatore is excessive, and insists it was a mistake to give immunity to Nelson Piquet. On Monday, former Renault boss Briatore was banned from Formula 1 indefinitely following the race-fixing scandal that saw the French squad being handed a suspended two-year ban. Briatore will also no longer be able to manage Formula 1 drivers. Gracia reckons the penalty was disproportionate, especially considering the Italian did not have a chance to defend himself. "Briatore's (sanction) seems excessive to me, as there were no clear evidence to incriminate him and he didn't have the chance to defend himself," Gracia was quoted as saying by AS newspaper. "Moreover, I'm not ruling out that he decides to resort to regular justice, because he has been left without his means to earn a living." Gracia insisted it was wrong that Piquet was given immunity despite being part of the scandal. "Personally, I insist that Briatore's penalty seems disproportionate, while I think that a big mistake has been made with Piquet, creating a dangerous precedent," he added. "Mosley has labelled the scandal as a criminal act, so I don't understand how the executor can be reprieved. "He is as responsible for the scandal as the rest, and if he's not ready to handle situations with pressure, then maybe he chose the wrong job." Italian media reported on Tuesday that Briatore was considering legal action against the FIA to try and prove his innocence and win a compensation for the damage caused to his image. "I'm devastated," Gazzetta dello Sport quoted Briatore as saying. 既然沒有直接證據証明Briatore有罪，那麼是否應該更改判罰，判罰車隊才正確呢? 不然我不知道還有什麼理由讓我不去懷疑這其實是FIA對Briatore的政治迫害~ 不知道大家還記得季中吵的沸沸揚揚的FOM與FIA的政治角力分裂戲碼嗎帶頭的兩位其中一個就是Briatore，另外一個是法拉利主席… 還有以前Schumi在班尼頓車隊賽道上的爭議?莫非也是Briatore操控的嗎? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.38.249.73

→ Santander:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78785 09/22 23:06

→ brokenleg:簡單回你一句雷諾迷數量>>>Briatore迷 09/22 23:08

推 etduke:當事人好像自己認了... (是不是協議下的招認倒也不知道) 09/22 23:08

→ brokenleg:何況少了雷諾又少一點歷史了 09/22 23:09

→ Santander:認了我想沒有老布矢口否認，認的是引擎主管 09/22 23:09

→ etduke:我是覺得有點停損的感覺啦怕雷諾被罰更大 09/22 23:10

→ etduke:如果是單純小房間三人會議要查真的很難從旁找證據應該 09/22 23:10

→ Santander:FIA應該把證據攤開讓大家知道如果要掩蓋事實就沒辦法了 09/22 23:11

→ etduke:也沒那麼簡單應該會拖很久光靠遙測數據沒有小皮龜指認 09/22 23:11

→ Santander:畢竟FIA也在試圖隱瞞，去年11月得知此事，現在才判罰? 09/22 23:11

→ etduke:應該也沒辦法定什麼罪吧 09/22 23:11

→ Santander:遙測數據並非直接證據，是可以捏造的，只要小皮龜想鋪梗 09/22 23:12

→ Santander:再說自己被指使的，要陷害老布怎麼沒可能? 09/22 23:12

→ etduke:我覺得應該當初應該不是沒查而是單憑遙測沒有直接證據 09/22 23:13

→ Santander:賽後說失誤，現在說是幕後策劃油門故意沒鬆掉? 09/22 23:13

→ Santander:那以前小皮龜撞車撞十幾次怎麼講?都給小皮龜講就好了 09/22 23:13

→ Santander:那老布不就一直被陷害了嘛!小皮龜乾脆說他有撞車的那場 09/22 23:14

→ Santander:GP都是老布策劃的，要他招喚Safety Car的 09/22 23:14

→ etduke:老布自招雷諾也下令辭退老布而且光小皮龜撞車 09/22 23:15

→ etduke:進站策略沒配合似乎也是沒用 09/22 23:15

→ Santander:老布沒有自招，他是說為了保護車隊犧牲自己 09/22 23:16

→ etduke:網路上有沒有調查報告阿有沒有版友提供一下 09/22 23:16

推 raei22:應該說telemetry這種證據還不足以定罪 09/22 23:59

→ Santander:永久逐出FIA相關賽事這很扯 09/23 00:00

→ raei22:雷諾要不認罪是可以的但是太難看認罪換來合諧的判決 09/23 00:01

→ Santander:判Renault罰金和Piquet永不得進入F1賽事才是正確判罰 09/23 00:02

→ Santander:要不要接受指令是車手自由意志，怎把責任都推給主管? 09/23 00:03

→ Santander:因為汙點證人可以完全無罪道個歉撫平大眾心理了事? 09/23 00:03

推 etduke:樓上如果要判車手麥隊兩個車手當初也要積分扣光 09/23 00:04

→ Santander:你錯了車輛被複製不是車手可以決定頂多是被動犯罪 09/23 00:05

→ Santander:把幕後工程師判一判才是真的，隱瞞主管co它隊智慧財產， 09/23 00:06

→ Santander:難保以後不會發生 09/23 00:06

→ Santander:把會犯罪的工程師逐出才算斷根阿 09/23 00:07

→ Santander:just case by case，不是一定要針對車手如何如何 09/23 00:07

→ kazami3019:考夫蘭跟Ferrari那隻不就被趕出去了 09/23 00:09

推 etduke:小皮龜新加坡站撞車對自己也沒有啥特別好處... 09/23 00:09

→ Santander:對阿妳都知道沒什麼好處了車手怎麼可能不知道! 09/23 00:10

→ Santander:那為什麼Piquet還要做? 根本就是他願意的，知道自己明 09/23 00:11

→ Santander:年會被換掉的可能性很大，用犧牲來換取合約，今年中途 09/23 00:12

→ Santander:被辭職才來反咬一口當初的共犯? 真棒!既得利益者沒事。 09/23 00:12

推 etduke:終於有認真的了XD 09/23 00:14

→ etduke:小皮龜不出來咬這件事會爆發如果不給汙點證人一點好處 09/23 00:14

→ Santander:他早就咬了去年11月 09/23 00:15

→ etduke:誰以後敢出來當汙點證人?! 相較於雷諾的輕輕放下小皮龜免 09/23 00:15

→ etduke:罰應該也是剛好而以吧小皮龜是去年11月咬的?! 09/23 00:16

→ Santander:新聞有報沒在看喔 09/23 00:16

→ etduke:當初間諜案車手可也是參與測試的呢最有名的一封電子郵件 09/23 00:16

→ Santander:是FIA今年才開始想管 09/23 00:16

→ etduke:是ALONSO寄給de la Rosa說"趕快測試法拉力的填充氣體" 09/23 00:17

→ Santander:法律上汙點證人還是要坐牢吧?並非免刑，只是可能輕判. 09/23 00:17

→ Santander:不知道前年真正情形暫時比較想討論這件事 09/23 00:18

→ kazami3019:某前總統的，會計不就被免刑了，她不也是汙點證人 09/23 00:19

推 etduke:17709篇有小皮龜親自告發的文稿簽名是09'07.30 09/23 00:19

→ Santander:不知道耶我是看連續劇的..所以我說"吧" 有請法律系的 09/23 00:20

→ etduke:如果去年小皮龜就告發了那是FIA的錯賽季還沒結束 09/23 00:20

→ etduke:羅斯堡有權叫FIA追封分站冠軍給他吧拖到今年已經來不及了 09/23 00:21

→ Santander:Piquet Sr. informed FIA last year 09/23 00:23

→ Santander:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78704 09/23 00:24

→ Santander:你需要update資訊 09/23 00:24

→ Santander:事實的真相是FIA等了8個月才行動 09/23 00:26

推 etduke:老皮龜+報載沒有當事人親自告發怎能證明有"三人"會議? 09/23 00:27

→ etduke:要有可疑情資遙測數據就是拉光靠遙測數據只能引發FIA 09/23 00:28

→ etduke:注意而已能不能辦下去要靠其他證據吧 09/23 00:29

→ etduke:遙測數據只能證明"撞車時機不尋常" 無法做為刻意設計的證據 09/23 00:30

→ Santander:Piquet爸代表當事人兒子找上F1 race director Charl告發 09/23 00:32

→ Santander:FIA就應該開始蒐集證據了 09/23 00:32

→ Santander:Charlie Whiting 09/23 00:33

推 etduke:是告發還是老皮龜私下跟老怪討論?! 09/23 00:34

→ etduke:老皮龜如果也是聽兒子說說而無法在當時策動小皮龜告發 09/23 00:34

→ etduke:那老皮龜是要拿啥證據告發人證叫不動唯一物證是數據?! 09/23 00:35

→ Santander:用告密比較恰當，FIA當時應該展開行動調查才是正確的 09/23 00:35

→ etduke:那篇報導感覺像是老皮龜事後諸葛他也沒明確的告發 09/23 00:35

→ Santander:為何一拖再拖証據會不會隨著時間消失很難說 09/23 00:36

→ Santander:那就只能問Charlie Whiting了 09/23 00:36

→ etduke:我個人是覺得有調查但是證據力不足 09/23 00:36

→ etduke:明知道撞車有問題卻只能辦到車手危險駕駛那不如再等等 09/23 00:37

→ etduke:等到小皮龜跟雷諾有嫌隙再辦下去 09/23 00:38

→ etduke:如果去年沒有人證反咬大肆搜查又沒有書面資料 09/23 00:39

→ etduke:大概就只能判小皮龜危險駕駛禁賽幾場或罰錢了事 09/23 00:40

→ etduke:小皮龜跟雷諾還沒撕破臉大概也只能擔下來 09/23 00:40

→ Inar:沒有人會願意故意撞啊~ 策劃的人擔責任很正常.... 09/23 13:55

→ Inar:我是不相信有人會在後輪spin的狀況底下不收油.... 09/23 13:57