推 maegsirien:老大要出頭了嗎？...居然是在這種狀況下啊...Orz 12/24 00:55
推 Tyler0914:Alonso明年在車隊要怎麼做人哪？「跑等你死」太狠了... 12/24 00:58
推 MikaHakkinen:就說了這種挖角模式近2年成了邁凱輪的常態了 =.= 12/24 01:03
推 cinnabardust:老大終於老大了阿!! 12/24 03:15
推 yamatobar:看來FISI明年有可能出頭天了 12/24 15:57
推 tonyatta:酷酷的義大利帥哥Fisi要出頭了!! XD 12/24 17:31
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作者: MikaHakkinen (丟臉可恥跌股出醜去死好꘩ 看板: FORMULA1
標題: Re: [閒聊] Mansell評小新的轉隊：Brave =.=
時間: Sat Dec 24 01:12:24 2005
※ 引述《MikaHakkinen (丟臉可恥跌股出醜去死好꘩》之銘言：
: 標題: [閒聊] Mansell評小新的轉隊：Brave =.=
: 時間: Sat Dec 24 00:40:30 2005
:
:
: Fisi a winner in Alonso swap - Mansell
:
: 1992 world champion Nigel Mansell has added another dissenting voice
: to the controversy surrounding Fernando Alonso's '07 switch from Renault
: to McLaren. After Niki Lauda and Bernie Ecclestone chimed in with their
: qualms, the 53-year-old ex driver - who raced his last grand prix in a
: McLaren and soared to the title in a Renault-powered Williams - reckons
: the deal is bad news in the short term for Renault, McLaren, Alonso and
: Kimi Raikkonen.
:
: He thinks 24-year-old Spaniard Alonso did the deed for 'financial'
: ends. But Mansell warned: "To do a deal a whole year in advance could
: be very counter-productive, especially when he is defending ... a world
: championship. It is also a brave decision because I'm a big Adrian Newey
: fan and obviously he has just left McLaren," Nigel told nobok.com.
:
: And the move will destabilise not only McLaren's main rival, Renault,
: but also the silver clad team itself, Mansell reckons.
:
: Referring to McLaren, the '92 title winner wondered: "Is whoever will
: make way for Alonso going to be happy? I can tell you, no."
:
: Perhaps the only short term winner in the deal is Giancarlo Fisichella
: , Renault's keen incumbent and no doubt desperate to keep up with Alonso
: next year.
:
: If 'Fisi' and the reigning champion are neck and neck next season,
: 'don't be surprised if Fisichella gets the better engine and the better
: support,' Nigel thinks. "That's just common sense."
:
: 資料來源：F1 Racing
:
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: ※ 編輯: MikaHakkinen 來自: 220.134.27.3 (12/24 00:44)
: 推 maegsirien:老大要出頭了嗎？...居然是在這種狀況下啊...Orz 12/24 00:55
: 推 Tyler0914:Alonso明年在車隊要怎麼做人哪？「跑等你死」太狠了... 12/24 00:58
: 推 MikaHakkinen:就說了這種挖角模式近2年成了邁凱輪的常態了 =.= 12/24 01:03
我更正我的說法：應該說邁凱輪這種突然發難的挖角模式從Kimi被挖角時
就開始了！不光是這兩年！
不健忘的車迷應該也還記得01年賽季結束後不久，McLaren在Sauber不知情
的情況下挖走了Kimi，當時Peter Sauber對此還非常不滿 =.=
接下來就是03年賽季結束後McLaren宣布饅頭羊將於05年起轉戰該隊。
再來就是最近的小新了 =.=
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Mika Hakkinen -- Born: September 28, 1968 F1 driver: 1991-2001
Career: 20 wins, 51 podium finishes, 26 poles, 25 fastest laps, 420 points
1998 F1: West McLaren Mercedes, World Champion, 100 points
(8 wins, 11 podium finishes, 9 poles, 6 fastest laps)
1999 F1: West McLaren Mercedes, World Champion, 76 points
(5 wins, 10 podium finishes, 11 poles, 6 fastest laps)
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推 mobilesuit:這老頭真是想車隊冠軍跟車手冠軍想瘋了="= 12/24 01:21
推 svuper:原po收手不完後~~車手就一直大變動 12/24 01:57
推 CTHsieh:開始懷念起Mika加數位相機的年代了.... 12/24 03:55
→ CTHsieh:雖然拿世界冠軍的機會較少, 但至少支持的車手少變化 12/24 03:56
→ CTHsieh:嗚~~07年如果銀劍沒芬蘭飛人, 又不想轉支持法拉利.... 12/24 03:57
→ CTHsieh:又得重新適應一次.... 12/24 03:58
→ CTHsieh:最複雜的是, 小新還是今年kimi的死對頭, 07年可能腳色對調 12/24 04:10
→ CTHsieh:會精神錯亂...@#$%! 12/24 04:11
→ CTHsieh:最好是Kimi加小新...不過得犧牲Montoya...~.~""還是不習慣 12/24 05:42
推 Kahou:我還是沒辦法接受小新跟Kimi在一起，對我來說今年小胖跟Kimi 12/24 10:44
→ Kahou:才是最好的隊友啊.. 12/24 10:45
推 sedan:我還以為Kimi跳到McLaren是佳話一件咧orz... 12/24 12:48
→ sedan:McLaren要到人，Sauber要到錢...到頭來也不是這麼和氣嘛XD 12/24 12:48
→ yamatobar:沒辦法,黑衣老怪一直想要重振過去MCLAREN的榮耀 12/24 15:58
→ yamatobar:培養一個世界冠軍太麻煩了,乾脆用挖的 12/24 15:59
→ yamatobar:MCLAREN有可能成為F-1的紐約洋基隊XD 12/24 16:00
推 mobilesuit:在他重振榮耀前,他已經先把F1裡的所有車隊老闆都得罪光 12/24 16:13
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作者: yamatobar (B'z控之王XD) 看板: FORMULA1
標題: Re: [閒聊] Mansell評小新的轉隊：Brave =.=
時間: Sat Dec 24 17:19:23 2005
不知道為什麼
黑衣老怪這種迅雷不及掩耳的挖角方式讓我想到MLB的紐約洋基隊
這邊熟悉MLB的人應該都知道NY很少培養自己的奪冠班底
NY的明星球員多半是從別隊重金挖角過來的
換句話說,黑衣老怪的心態真的跟NY老板很類似
培養一個世界冠軍太慢,用挖比較快
(謎之聲:君不見黑衣老怪當家後的MCLAREN,除了MIKA以外,哪個MCLAREN的世界冠軍不是
被挖來的,而是MCLAREN自己培養的)
雖然說,F-1本來就是充滿爾虞我詐
但這種突然挖角的方式,實在有點不太妥當
--
KERORO:只要能夠掌控FIA和F1的轉播權,我們就有足夠的資金侵略藍星了,KEROKEROKERO
KEROKEROKERO!
KURURU:KUKUKU!我已經發明控制FIA的機器了
(以上純屬妄想)
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推 MikaHakkinen:也不是說沒自己養啦！Bernie、Jeter和Mo都是自家養出 12/24 17:21
→ MikaHakkinen:來的啊 XD 12/24 17:22
推 jeffzpo:還有CMWang! 12/25 16:08
推 wtsph:只有the BOSS沒有干涉的那個時期啦XD 12/25 20:52
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作者: MikaHakkinen (丟臉可恥跌股出醜去死好꘩ 看板: FORMULA1
標題: Re: [閒聊] Mansell評小新的轉隊：Brave =.=
時間: Sat Dec 24 17:25:13 2005
※ 引述《MikaHakkinen (丟臉可恥跌股出醜去死好꘩》之銘言：
: Fisi a winner in Alonso swap - Mansell
: 1992 world champion Nigel Mansell has added another dissenting voice
: to the controversy surrounding Fernando Alonso's '07 switch from Renault
: to McLaren. After Niki Lauda and Bernie Ecclestone chimed in with their
: qualms, the 53-year-old ex driver - who raced his last grand prix in a
: McLaren and soared to the title in a Renault-powered Williams - reckons
: the deal is bad news in the short term for Renault, McLaren, Alonso and
: Kimi Raikkonen.
: He thinks 24-year-old Spaniard Alonso did the deed for 'financial'
: ends. But Mansell warned: "To do a deal a whole year in advance could
: be very counter-productive, especially when he is defending ... a world
: championship. It is also a brave decision because I'm a big Adrian Newey
: fan and obviously he has just left McLaren," Nigel told nobok.com.
: And the move will destabilise not only McLaren's main rival, Renault,
: but also the silver clad team itself, Mansell reckons.
: Referring to McLaren, the '92 title winner wondered: "Is whoever will
: make way for Alonso going to be happy? I can tell you, no."
: Perhaps the only short term winner in the deal is Giancarlo Fisichella
: , Renault's keen incumbent and no doubt desperate to keep up with Alonso
: next year.
: If 'Fisi' and the reigning champion are neck and neck next season,
: 'don't be surprised if Fisichella gets the better engine and the better
: support,' Nigel thinks. "That's just common sense."
: 資料來源：F1 Racing
: ========================================================================
: 繼Lauda認為小新的轉隊到McLaren是場「災難」(disaster)後，另一位前世界
: 冠軍Mansell也表達他的意見。
: ps. 我可以理解Lauda為啥這麼講，因為他從前年開始就信誓旦旦說小新將來會跳
: 槽到Ferrari，這下子他等於預測錯誤下不了台 XD
: 只是Lauda也不能說完全預測錯，反正照Ferrari的邏輯，Alonso和Kimi本來
: 一定是鐵定會挖角其中的1人。既然Ferrari的總裁已經不只一回強調他們對
: Kimi的興趣，那「跑等你死」當然就先下手收編小新了。
: 簡單地說，Mansell認為小新這次的轉隊非常的brave，這不是稱讚他的勇氣，
: 反倒是一種「竟然做這種決定，可真帶種啊！」的諷刺意味。
: Mansell認為小新轉隊是因為孔方兄，但他也提出警告：小新到了McLaren，還
: 有誰會像現在的Fisi一樣、不管願不願意都乖乖讓車給他？不管是Kimi還是Montoya
: 都不會買帳的。
: Mansell也認為Fisi會成為這次跳槽的受益者，假使明年Fisi跟小新短兵相接
: 的話，對於Fisi可能獲得車隊較好的引擎與較好的支援不要太感到驚訝，因為這是
: 顯而易見的常識。
只要Renault明年的車況維持住，明年或許對Fisi來說是關鍵的好年啊！
Fisi的F1生涯裡，「開好車」和「當一哥」從來沒有同一年降臨在他的身上
不是在爛車隊當一哥，就是在好車隊當老二
如果雷諾真的讓他放手一搏並給予充分的支援，希望他要好好把握 :)
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Mika Hakkinen -- Born: September 28, 1968 F1 driver: 1991-2001
Career: 20 wins, 51 podium finishes, 26 poles, 25 fastest laps, 420 points
1998 F1: West McLaren Mercedes, World Champion, 100 points
(8 wins, 11 podium finishes, 9 poles, 6 fastest laps)
1999 F1: West McLaren Mercedes, World Champion, 76 points
(5 wins, 10 podium finishes, 11 poles, 6 fastest laps)
--
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推 timku:推~~ 12/25 04:05
推 krajicek:可是我還是覺得不會喔，看看誰是車王的經紀人:p 12/25 22:38