[情報] Rog 台維斯杯參數數據與比較

[iliketea (He got 16, going on 17)]

好像普遍有個錯誤的觀念是Rog 不重視 DC，DC 比賽打很少。上禮拜瑞士拿下第一座 DC獎
杯後，很多數據可以攤開來檢視與比較（對照組：眾網球傳奇們與另兩位已拿下 DC 的Big
2）；這些細節一看之後，你會發現，Roger Federer 不只是個網球員，還是個很偉大的
網球員。而在如此欠缺隊友奧援的國家隊裡，他如何一次又一次帶領瑞士留在世界組，直
到Wawrinka今年大爆發，並在天時地利（但人差點不合XD，是講Rog 的背傷唷～～八卦就
隨風去吧。）的情形下在客場拿下 DC 冠軍。Rog 對網球的熱愛絕對超乎你我所想像。



有球迷就整理出一些客觀事實與數據，原文附在底下，這邊做個簡單整理。
Rog 的第一座 DC 有五個特色是Nadal四座 DC 所沒有的：



1. Rog 的DC是在客場、由地主選手所選的場地所贏下的（法國、紅土）。綜觀Nadal 與
Djokovic都沒贏過客場DC，他們的DC都是在自家主場、自己選的場地所拿下（Nadal是
2004、2009、2011年在西班牙紅土、Djokovic是2010在塞爾維亞的硬地）。



2. Rog以高排名選手之姿，連打四輪的情形下拿下DC（第一輪、八強、四強、決賽）。四
輪比賽裡有三輪都是Rog用贏球關門。Nadal在2008年跳過兩輪沒打（在阿根廷的決賽客場
、在秘魯客場的第一輪）、在2009年跳過兩輪沒打（四強、八強）、在2011年跳過一輪沒
打（在美國客場的八強）。Nadal僅於2004年打完第 輪到決賽，而這是他還是菜鳥的時候
。



3. Rog的DC是在缺乏板凳深度所贏來的（Federinka在八強與決賽裡包辦所有單雙打）。
而西班牙艦隊有多強大這不必多贅述了。即便是Nadal沒打決賽的2008年，他們還是可以
在阿根廷客場硬地下拿到冠軍。塞爾維亞也需要四名球員來贏下2010年的冠軍。Nadal與
Djokovic在DC裡也鮮少打雙打（然而Rog在DC裡卻也常需擔任雙打角色）。直到最近Rog才
有個較穩定的二號球員（Wawrinka的DC戰績在這決賽前是23-25）。



4. Rog在贏DC的今年同時也在角逐年終球王。另兩位則沒有。他們如果要角逐第一，那必
然是跳過DC或只挑幾輪打。（編按：這點我覺得還好說XD　畢竟DC就…你知道der）



5. Rog參予DC的數量簡直突破天際（？）。與退休的頂尖球員、現在頂尖球員比都是數一
數二。


--- 14年的球員生涯裡，Rog在26輪比賽裡打了67點（2.58場／輪），其中21輪的比賽裡
有單雙打皆打。


--- 球員有贏至少五座大滿貫裡，Rog極有可能創下打最多DC比賽的紀錄。Rog現在是排名
第三或第四：Rog （26輪打了67點；2.58）；Boris Becker（28輪打了66點；2.36）；
John McEnroe（30輪打69點；2.3）；Stefan Edberg（35輪打70點；2）。Rog在每輪／每
點裡已超越他們，只需再打四場點比賽、五輪DC就可以數據上完全超越他們（編按：但我
是不覺得這有多重要辣XD）。


--- Rog可能創瑞士隊打最多DC比賽的紀錄（編按：底下有數據大家可以自己拉下去看XD）


--- Rog是現役頂尖球員裡打最多DC的。Rog（26輪裡打了67點；2.58）比Nadal（15輪裡
打29點；1.93）與Djokovic（21輪裡打37點）打更多輪與比賽。自從1999年第一次打DC以
來，Rog在瑞士的36輪裡打了26輪（72%），Nadal則是32輪打了15輪（47%），Djokovic則
是29輪裡打了21輪（72%）。Nadal極少打客場或非土場的比賽（編按：這邊大家可以自己
拉下去看，就很少）。


--- Rog打DC是完全自願而沒有合約的。Wawrinka有跟瑞士網協簽約，所以打DC可領錢。
前幾年此筆收入甚至佔他獎金收入大半）。



原文如下：

Tony N: Federer has the most exceptional, comprehensive and balanced
combination of accomplishments in men's tennis history...
Federer's one Davis Cup title has five rare characteristics that Nadal's four
DC titles do not have:


1. Federer won an 'away' Davis Cup final played on the opponent's choice of
location and court (in France on clay court). Both Nadal and Djokovic never
won or played in an 'away' DC final. They played only in DC finals at home on
their preferred court surface (for Nadal it was Spain on clay court in 2004,
2009, 2011 DC finals; for Djokovic it was Serbia on hardcourt in 2010).


2. Federer won the DC having played all four rounds of the competition this
year (first round, quarterfinals, semifinals, finals) as a top player --
indeed, Roger won the match that clinched the tie in three of those four
ties. Nadal skipped two rounds in 2008 (DC final away in Argentina, first
round away in Peru), skipped two rounds in 2009 (semifinal, quarterfinal),
skipped one round in 2011 (quarterfinal away in USA). Nadal played all 4
rounds only once in 2004, when he wasn't a top player in rankings or on the
team.


3. Federer won DC without a deep team (Federer-Wawrinka played all singles
and doubles matches in the final and quarterfinal). Spain is so deep and
strong that it would have won most of those four DC finals during the Nadal
era -- even if Nadal did not play (e.g., Spain-without-Nadal won the 2008 DC
final away in Argentina on hardcourts). Serbia needed four players to win its
2010 DC final. Nadal and Djokovic rarely play doubles in DC (unlike Federer
who usually also plays doubles for his team). Until recently Federer did not
have a consistent reliable second player (Wawrinka's overall DC win loss was
23-25 before this final).


4. Federer won DC in a year when he challenged for year-end No. 1 up to the
end of the regular season. Nadal and Djokovic were never the year-end No. 1
-- or challenging for year-end No. 1 at the end of the season -- in those
years when they actually played in the DC final. In those years that Nadal
and Djokovic were year-end No. 1 they reduced their DC burden -- they either
skipped DC or played intermittently.


5. Federer's exceptional record of participation is rare compared to the
great players in history, compared to today's top players and compared to
other Swiss players in history.
- Federer has played 67 matches/rubbers in 26 ties (i.e., 2.58 matches per
tie) in 14 years of DC competition. He played singles and doubles in 21 of
his 26 ties.

- Federer is likely to end his career with the best overall record of DC
participation among all the great players in history (i.e, players who won at
least 5 slams). Roger is currently third or fourth best: Federer (67 matches
in 26 ties; 2.58 ), Boris Becker (66 in 28; 2.36), John McEnroe (69 in 30;
2.3), Stefan Edberg (70 in 35; 2). Federer has already surpassed them in
matches played per tie. Roger needs to play just 4 more matches to surpass
all three in matches played and 5 more ties to surpass Becker and McEnroe in
ties played.

- Federer is likely to end his career with the best overall record of DC
participation in Switzerland’s DC history. Federer has played: (a) second
most matches (to Jakob Hlasek's 79), (b) second most years of competitions
(to Heinz Gunthardt's 15), and (c) third most ties (to Hlasek's 29 and
Gunthardt's 30).

- Federer's participation in DC is the best among today's top players.
Federer (67 matches in 26 ties; 2.58 ) has played more matches and ties than
Nadal (29 in 15; 1.93) and Djokovic (37 in 21; 1.76). Since his first tie in
1999, Federer has played in 26 (72%) of Switzerland's 36 ties -- compared to
Nadal's 15 (47%) of Spain's 32 ties and Djokovic's 21 (72%) of Serbia's 29
ties.

Nadal rarely played away matches and non-clay matches in the 15 ties that he
chose to play: he played 10 ties in Spain and 11 ties on clay. On the other
hand, Federer's 26 ties included 13 away ties (50%) and 9 clay ties (35%). In
addition, Federer made the effort to travel and play several ties outside
Europe (Australia twice, Russia, Morrocco, etc.). Nadal skipped every tie
outside Europe (2008 DC finals in Argentina, 2007 quarterfinal in USA, 2011
quarterfinal in USA, 2008 Peru, 2013 Canada, etc.).

- What's impressive about Federer's record of participation is that he played
DC voluntarily without contract (for most of his career, Wawrinka was under
contract to the Swiss national tennis federation and paid a fee to
consistently play DC -- in previous years, this fee was usually a substantial
part of his income).


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推 pcpcpcpcpcpc: 這男人真的很愛國
推 dc91: 只能推了 神！
推 slowpoem: 推！Roger真的熱愛網球和國家！
※ 編輯: iliketea (218.161.1.230), 11/25/2014 17:33:05
推 radiwei: 西班牙人口4600萬，法國人口6500萬，相比之下人口只有800
→ radiwei: 萬的瑞士和賽爾維亞要拿冠軍真的很不容易啊
推 edhuang: 推啊!!!
推 DflowerT: 這篇真該轉去總版.不是轉去打臉.而是還給費爸一個清白.
推 sonesnsdsosi: 嗚嗚... 第一次看到費爸拿冠軍是趴下的T_T
→ DflowerT: 費爸等這冠軍真的等很久.
→ sonesnsdsosi: 真情流露他內心的激動~
推 hell2112: 太令人感動了
推 rulika: 感動!!!
推 n790321: 轉去總板 會酸的還是照酸 反正冠軍拿到就爽 給他們酸阿
→ n790321: 有些人想被酸還沒辦法...... 就是因為強才會讓人眼紅
推 joulin: 事實證明 很多人真的都印象派 說甚麼Roger拿俏 不打DC
→ joulin: 支持轉總板還清白
→ joulin: 不過可以刪掉一些(括號中的用語)
→ iliketea: 轉不轉，我都不覺得有哪裡需要刪掉。況且也不需要轉。
推 IkuNagae: 轉去Djoko板(誤)
推 reincarnate: 感人QQ
推 allyp7985: 好文推!!!!!
推 kshtainan: 感動ＱＱ
推 fatyi: 你怎麼能不愛費拔><
推 BBMak: 推！
推 achang88: 推阿~~~~~!!!!!!
推 hieiss: 大推！這次終於完成他DC夢想了
推 seha87: 可惡 這文章有洋蔥
推 sixsix666: 大推～
推 fischcheng: 我們都誤會他了...
推 g204094: 推
推 jason840226: 拜託誰能幫轉總版…大推
推 kitchen1218: 從每年比賽的調度，都可以看出他多麼重視DC!
推 chia0908: 感動！！！他重視DC 球迷都看在眼裡
推 cjo4u06: 我也覺得不用轉總版 因為他們其實是酸我們總愛辯到贏
→ cjo4u06: 所以轉過去只是讓那些酸酸繼續酸 感動給懂的人看就好了~
推 goodplace: 推 之前被其他人的言論誤導
推 joulin: 有人轉了XD
→ joulin: 不過 怎麼轉文這邊沒有紀錄阿 不市會有紀錄寫有人轉文
推 gn02174082: 突然想到有個問題想請問一下大家，DC奪冠是有獎金的嗎
推 purin820611: 因為費爸前幾年大多都只打保級賽的關係吧 所以大家才
→ purin820611: 會有費爸DC打很少的印象
推 luvfilm: 費爸是地表最棒的男人！酸言酸語就算了，事實不容辯駁～
推 edhuang: 無庸置疑的偉大!!
推 Kobe2000: 被tennis闆說 原文作者不願意轉錄....@@
→ g204094: 本來就不需要轉，轉給為反對而反對的人看幹嘛XD
→ tonialau: 上面轉錄的有先經過原PO同意嗎.....
→ pocket1414: 這些紀錄真的是越看越覺得很誇張
推 lovetennis: 這也是為什麼我們這麼支持他！
推 allyp7985: 聽說...Roger把獎金分給隊友(ps:瑞士隊全隊獎金總共300
→ allyp7985: 萬法郎...)!!
推 DflowerT: 真假?!