Re: [問卦] 為什麼台灣的大學不用全英語授課？

[guets (guets)]

That's because even on ptt, the Taiwanese reddit, ppl don't give a shxt
about English. These "why not establish English" whining posts seems to pop up
every now and then. Ironically, they're not even written in English.

When the most frequently used English here is sth like
"It's good to drink?","IKEA" or "May show gun more?"
There's no doubt the language is literally dead among average Taiwanese ppl.

What's the point of learning it if you don't use it anyways? English lectures
in colleges will only result in people studying academic English.
But it's not like everyone here needs to write academic essays for a living,
Heck! even many academic theses/dissertations only require the summary to
be written in English.

For most students it's much easier to hire someone to translate their shxt
rather than handling this rusty language which they no longer give a shxt about
since senior high.

Still, English is ubiquitous, which is good news for those who want to immerse
in it. Just check your browser right now, if your interface isn't English,
then you're not using the language. If you're still watching movies with
subtitles, you're still not using it. If you read Apple Daily instead of
Focus Taiwan/Taipei Times as your internet news source, once again you're not
using it.

So let's rephrase, what's the point of learning it if you don't use it?
And when ppl are really using it, there will be no need to learn it through
college.

喔喔 抱歉 原來自己打也有20中文字的規定
回這個文主要用意是要大家在體驗一下生活中全用英文的狀況
沒看完不重要 也感謝仔細看完我長串廢話的人

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推 yannicklatte: i no english
→ avgirl: hello~
推 shawn1721: 快推! 不要讓人以為我們看不懂!
→ jimmmy:  快推! 不要讓人以為我們看不懂!
推 lturtsamuel: This is a book. I English is good.
→ jovialguy: costco
推 dodopee: 1Hello, world!
推 colaer: 我也覺得是這樣
→ Herlin: guys, good point
推 a28200266: THANK YOU SORRY HOW ARE YOU
推 tryagain24: This is a pen
推 r223556889: 咩咻幹哞
推 s866217: Can't agree with you anymore！
→ a28200266: this is pennis
推 x850519: My name is pen,you us goood
→ shyily: "May show gun more?" XDDDDDDD
推 saiulbb: 哀 信可 優阿瑞哀特
推 klyjames: IKEA XDDDD
→ hope1989: 沒中文  鬧板 掰
推 qq251988: me LOVEs YOURS,dna you?
噓 lf9nettw: 等寬字寫英文是個災難
推 nomorepipe: I can't agree you anymore.
推 a1982213: U ARTICLE
噓 Microscft: 呵呵 想要顛邱也不先看一下版規
推 OSDim: so....May show gun more?
推 darren8221: 未滿 20 中文字喔 XDDDDDDDDD
推 Zawar379: this is a penis
推 maziazy: ME GO FACE SMOrc
推 s866217: The rule is not fair? Why forbid Engli
→ s866217: sh?
推 jhjhs33504: 阿就用進廢退阿不然咧?
推 larenz86: 說真的是看得懂,但鄉民真的都看不懂嗎@@
推 kusodidi: 你英文系歐
你不是中文系也能講中文啊
→ s866217: English can help PTT become internatio
→ s866217: nal
推 lulocke: ok I see ...
推 maziazy: TL;DR
推 foolfighter: My name is a pen
推 iceyeman: 你靠盃  其實最後可以藏梗的  鋪陳那麼
→ iceyeman: 久
推 coon182: Kafuu Chino is my daughter
推 zhttp: 藏頭文給推！
推 boomb: How are you ? Fine thank you and you
推 fdd545: shxt shxt shxt
推 LifeSuckss: 我都念ikea
推 ymx3xc: YOU IS LIGHT OF TAIWAN!!!
噓 lance8537: ppl?
噓 GoodElephant: ok. go out receive your 500 dolla
→ GoodElephant: rs
噓 qcpmebn: this is a book
推 outofdate: This is a pen.
推 berry07: 翻譯給看不懂的人：他請大家1月16號要去
→ berry07: 投票哦
^.<~*
推 yameide: yameide~~yameide~~
噓 grant790110: 如果ppl=people 你還留一個沒改
感謝眼尖 有些通俗用語習慣了會錯亂(U r gr8)所以我也沒辦法寫很正式的學術文章
推 IamCuteGirl: You are so good
to drink?
推 daniel50506: 覺得這篇蠻認真的 不過要掰掰了Q
推 daniel50506: 誰會在乎論壇上發文ppl要統一啦..
推 daniel50506: 我推文也會打錯字啊，更何況他只是
噓 grant790110: 吼 不統一讓我看半天在猜什麼是ppl
→ mengertsai: no problem if you bring your brain
→ mengertsai:  here lol
推 kis28519: "May show gun more?" XD
推 voyager35: ppl=people是英文論壇上常用的縮寫
噓 t1520061217:  A for apple
噓 andypan898: popu lady
推 fishscwe: 反正真的用不大到
推 bravo1003: For a second I thought I was read8 n
→ bravo1003: g reddit. lol
→ zenga3345678: 大部分的人根本不在乎國外發生什麼
→ zenga3345678: 事，而且他們很滿足於目前的生活圈
推 chooooooo: 有感
推 donkilu: you English department?
噓 outzumin: Is it good to drink?
→ s866217: English Major?
推 Iamentire: I got it
推 Ricrollp: This is a pen
推 farqall2: this is a pen. i am fine thank you
推 jzasd22: fei wen?
推 birdskingla: 太嗆惹
推 jasonchangki: Shit ,not shxt.
推 sakusakurai: 好厲害，你邏輯好清楚
→ grant790110: shxt是消音吧 跟幹X娘一樣的道理
推 icecastle: Hi there!May show gun more?
推 piloliq: 文章內容不錯。但還是很難閱讀...
→ mike0327: PTT的介面看英文文章真的頗痛苦
→ owenkuo: Taipei Times = 豬油ver.Eng
→ owenkuo: 要看就看huffington post
→ owenkuo: http://goo.gl/qDKlvq
推 shanvapid: 推個 我也想學能用的英文 Q
推 zzz71084482: i cant believe i watched this shit
推 aas: is it good to drink?
推 sfcjimmy: I am shark
推 lamda: 好邱喔，收入精華區...XD
推 HornyDragon: Words.
→ HornyDragon: >mfw I use Chinese interface. FML
推 jhjhs33504: 連好色龍都出現了耶~
推 Tenging: MILF is a man's life.
推 buttercrab: I OK READ THIS , YOU IS WRONG
推 hagane39: I just can say oh my god
→ su4vu6: I can't this.
推 painkiller: May show gun more
噓 LT134P: "Is it" good to drink
推 smdmaps: Lan Pa Shake~~~
推 iamten: What are you talking about?
→ kontrollCat: 基本上台灣人被殖民到自己都要限制自
→ kontrollCat: 己用北京話打字 非常畸形
噓 bbo40453: 可以直接打最後一段就好
推 lanagrass: It's basic in English, why do ppl ac
→ lanagrass: t like it's hard to read? Imao
推 eeveelugia2: 快推，不要......抱歉我看得懂
推 Williamette: Gg wp team noob
推 Lachelt: 一堆在糾正消音字跟ppl推文
推 yanli2: Cosco
推 acx850817: It's good to drink?
推 ben0606: 你在國外住過齁 句子 用詞都不像在台灣土
→ ben0606: 生土長的
推 MadBe: 其實你都是在批評現況（結果），並非源頭
噓 keyut2433: 做你那些事情不等於可以學好英文.
推 adriancheng: Can't agree more.
推 TheOddOne: izi as sh*t Machen wir Deutsch jetzt
噓 roxiehearts: 錯誤連篇
→ sbtiagr: push
推 jabari: Was'n los? Ich habe kein ahnung.
噓 javatea: 真他嗎廢話連篇 還是說中文吧 廢物
推 TheOddOne: XD 釣到jabari
推 violin3316: you're welcome
推 violin3316: 說真的文法錯一堆阿 還是寫中文吧
推 DevinTea: can you say that again?
推 bearching: agree with the dissertation part
→ bearching: 其實看美國論壇滿多文章都像這樣，文法
噓 miler22020: 鄉民又看不懂英文
推 aeru111: You mention the point which I cannot a
→ aeru111: gree anymore.
推 cywec: 好威，好像在寫指考作聞
推 andy711101: This is a pen
→ ilove360: I am fine!
推 c7683fh6: 就算是英文還是廢文啊
推 C00L: 威? 不至於吧 寫作程度只是普通
→ C00L: 不過論點我認同
推 linji: Guten Tag
推 h73o1012: suck my balls
推 chamomile050: can't agree with you any more
推 fishouse: can't with u shopping mall
推 smiling0211: Is it good to drink才對
感謝眼尖 確實是我筆誤 順便講一下這類問句常用的兩種正確寫法
Is it good to drink? 或 It's good to drink, isn't it?
不過要不是今天此契機 我一直沒發現自己竟然對十幾年的老廣告會錯意了!
一直以為那黑人說的是 It's good to drink!? (帶有質疑語氣)
因為我自己不喜歡維大力 就誤會那個黑人也不太想喝了 那個 買那個
噓 chenn: May show gun more
→ mostoops: 快推 不然別人以為我們看不懂
噓 GenesisXD: 公三小
推 Louina: Exactly.
推 madeinhell: 有笑有推
噓 zyut: 阿不就好棒棒 烙英文~~~~
推 ericleft: 原來如此
推 Glucophage: An apple a day
推 leov72: Your grammar have a lot problem, maybe
→ leov72:  somebody can't understand what you wan
→ leov72: t to  express. But, I don't consider it
→ leov72:  should be to use whole English learnin
→ leov72: g. We're Taiwanese, not English-languag
→ leov72: e nation.所以大學還是打中文，用中文上
→ leov72: 課比較恰當
推 fastmonster: This is a book.
推 kyokoc: Well said. Language shall be used in da
→ kyokoc: ily life not only in school.
推 girgirjayk: 快推! 不要讓人以為我們看不懂!
推 PPPGGG: 英文的廢文還是英文啊 不過版主會桶嗎
推 tomandnico: CANNOT AGREE ANY MORE... 你講啥?
推 fantasy00249: so,let us say: ikea!!!
推 dogmodogmo: TAIWANESE用CHINESE 不用ENGLISH???
推 johnny823: May show gun more.....
推 vhs159: where is costco?
推 thejackys: it's still fawen no matters it's Ing
→ thejackys: lish or not
推 tokei927: May show gun more?
推 kaison: Good point. Thank you.
推 dses: How do you turn this on
推 chihchuan: Wow
推 clubee: Is good to drink xDD
推 kmoy: "It's good to drink?"
推 mirageX: This actually worthy to read even it l
推 andy7391: leov的文法才大有問題吧..根本台式英文
其實能看得懂就好 我自己平常也是想到甚麼就寫甚麼 不會潤稿
所以對自己及他人文法錯誤 我是抱持著敢寫又能讓大部份人看懂就好
(甚至商業書信也常常看到異國式英文文法 但當然非常正式的場合還是要潤一下)
不過我們從小的英文教育甚至我們整體的教育都偏重在抓錯誤挑毛病
考了98分的孩子會被質問為什麼錯了2分 而不是好厲害竟然拿到了98分
這讓許多人不敢講不敢寫是頗可惜的

你看我上面打了這麼多中文 叫一個中文老師來改 一定一堆錯誤
板上更是充滿像是"頗呵"、"設惹~"、"懂?"這類很奇怪的中文
但大家對慣用的母語包容性就很大了 其實英文母語人士也同樣對英文包容性很大
所以不怕台式文法或腔調 敢講敢寫就贏很多人了 :)
推 jeans1020: May show gun more?
噓 organ63521: 啊我就看不懂 裝三小懂
推 yehshiuhwen: May show gun more?
推 lwrwang: this is a book, that is a pen
推 vul3a83e04: The last sentence tells everything
→ vul3a83e04: .
推 maderfucker: 有好笑到
推 colza: Nice article, you're totally right
推 colza: If not using it, no motivation to learn
推 tanyuki: 義大利？
推 wxyz111: 確實～
推 Davil0130: 靠北，joke文啊
→ kop5236: 還好我都唸ikea
推 win1900: 我看不懂QQ
推 bt022: Have laught have push.
推 bt022: 啊幹 多打了一個t…
受封打t高手!
推 Butcherdon: 還好我看porn片不需要字幕 算是有在用
推 k167943005: k
推 WalterbyJeff: 原PO英文真好，流暢而且語法感受都
→ WalterbyJeff: 正確抓到。
推 FRANCO11: This is a pen.
推 kay16victor: "How do you turn this on"
推 sakyer: It's good to drink?
推 megxz: OK. Good bye
→ kevin0733: seems-->seem
→ AustinPowers: 維大力
推 adesjs5002g: 趕快推文免得人家說我看不懂
→ b9307025: 謝謝分享 已抄
推 rfireptt: "May show gun more?"
推 CatDark: 你English系吼～ you的English很strong耶
→ valenci: establish English？看不懂。嗚。
推 sodas500i: 為什麼在台灣上課還要用別國語言？
→ teenager: what doesn't kill u makes u stronger
噓 rubybear: ikea
推 jack990568: it's good to see u here
推 woow1225: 我竟然看完了
推 BeMg: Is it good to drink?
推 cabron: Something wrong in your grammar
推 sinbaji: Joker:Why so serious, son?
推 cbr0627: 哈哈哈哈哈，真有道理
→ sparta40: It's good to drink?
推 DogEggz: Gr8 m8 i r8 8/8
推 sparta40: why we need to use english textbook
→ sparta40: in college? even we are not in eng
→ sparta40: department?  幹PTT用英文回文斷句超怪
推 CoolboyLinya: Nice point, give u a thumb up!
推 kj763: push
推 kshtainan:
推 ironkyoater: The most funny is ptt Language
→ ironkyoater: can not use English
推 lorrainelin: Dude, u r being too seroius
→ lorrainelin: but kudos to the effort.
※ 編輯: guets (122.116.49.30), 01/15/2016 19:07:49
推 vvgigigaga: I cannot agree with u anymore. Even
→ vvgigigaga:  using browser with Chi.
※ NoPTT:轉錄至看板 joke                                           01/16 00:01