精華區beta Gossiping 關於我們 聯絡資訊
※ 引述《PEHP (真♂ㄧ把青○菜)》之銘言: : 如題 : 聽說馬雅人的血祭不是殺人 : 而是國王、王后來當祭品 : 王后要把舌頭穿洞來放血 : 國王還要在「敏感部位」插上植物… : 會不會太刺激啊 : U卦嗎 : ----- : Sent from JPTT on my Samsung SM-G9287. 開學一陣忙爆,今天有空上來跟大家聊聊馬雅文化 這個好像蠻久以前回過,陸陸續續有回過幾次類似問題。 如果講到馬雅血祭最重要的就是雅克奇藍的門楣了。之前有鄉民問過,我有做了一張 很醜的翻譯圖。 https://imgur.com/xDP1Gz0 其實就是反映雅克其蘭城王后k'abal xok女士的放血儀式。她將繩子穿過舌頭,讓血液 順著繩子流到下方的盆子中,進行血祭的儀式。盆子中被認為放了一些無花果紙,這些 無花果紙板和鮮血一起焚燒,馬雅人認為煙與神聖物質血飄向天際,會將人間的訊息帶 向天上。 從這邊我們可以發現兩點: 其一,貴族會藉由放血儀式來進行對神的祭祀。而非心臟的獻祭。 其二,這種獻祭並不只限於男性貴族,女性也會進行這種放血儀式。 而這種獻祭儀式主要是使用一些黑曜石刀和魚骨所製作的道具進行放血。放血的位置不 一定,有舌頭、雙頰、嘴唇甚至是生殖器官。再放血的過程中,馬雅人認為可以藉此和 神溝通,進而彰顯統治者的神聖性。從Yaxchilan的lintel 25 (https://goo.gl/kGnfBp) 中我們可以發現幻影的現象,一方面,可能是天然迷幻藥物的助益,一方面是身體中的 endorphins在腦中所產生的幻影。當然雕刻中的幻影也顯現了一些馬雅的宗教觀和宇宙 觀的隱喻。 另外,馬雅人的血祭儀式。並不像想像中是大規模的殺人取心。只有高級戰俘才會被殺 人祭神。大規模殺人取心的印象,可能來自於阿茲特克人,阿茲特克與馬雅人是不同的 兩個民族與文化體系。但不是說馬雅人不挖心臟祭神,或是馬雅沒有一次殺很多人的情 形。這些都是相對阿茲特克的情形比較而來的。 從地點上來說,也不一定是神廟。石灰岩相關的地形,諸如洞穴、滲穴、天然水井等, 都是馬雅人會進行獻祭的地方。例如,奇琴伊札的獻祭井,就出土非常多被丟下去的人 骨。在石灰岩洞中,我們也可以看到馬雅人建立的祭台、棄置的陶器。以及被帶入石灰 岩洞中的獻祭者。 以上 -- 馬雅國徵募僑民中: https://www.facebook.com/mayaman5566/ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 59.115.214.242 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1538315082.A.CB4.html
c255120: 頭推 1.163.71.227 09/30 21:44
a12451629: 首推 59.124.154.223 09/30 21:44
kiminocodo: 十推內 117.19.48.44 09/30 21:45
rfdevil8145: 未看先推 115.82.130.14 09/30 21:45
a12451629: 輸惹.... 59.124.154.223 09/30 21:45
saiulbb: 樓下碰到馬雅人本人會想做甚麼壞事? 61.56.143.149 09/30 21:45
mystina43: 推 223.136.26.202 09/30 21:45
jimmy1232001: 推推 123.241.53.55 09/30 21:45
pinhanpaul: 馬雅人 !!!!! 36.226.113.224 09/30 21:45
Glaylikesky: 十推內 49.217.105.134 09/30 21:45
asdwsd: 先推 111.71.88.113 09/30 21:45
juzowa: 馬雅人降臨 36.227.165.253 09/30 21:45
mazda323: 喔喔180.177.165.209 09/30 21:45
cyc5566: 十推內120.110.127.196 09/30 21:45
Vinir: 推 1.169.171.130 09/30 21:45
Aotearoa: 推 49.158.207.28 09/30 21:45
popo889: 出現了 101.15.128.98 09/30 21:45
dan1196: 推 111.71.75.11 09/30 21:45
※ 編輯: mayaman (59.115.214.242), 09/30/2018 21:46:15
zero11995: 前排223.136.147.243 09/30 21:45
slever33: 推啊180.176.212.227 09/30 21:45
IMISSA: Push114.137.245.117 09/30 21:45
kps1247: 釣到惹220.134.139.209 09/30 21:45
YukiPhoenix: 20推內 61.228.130.22 09/30 21:45
herzaghi: 50推內 114.40.54.49 09/30 21:45
sam37520: 推 1.165.139.37 09/30 21:45
MattDemon: 幹,百推內 122.121.23.66 09/30 21:46
frommr: 馬雅人! 27.246.99.246 09/30 21:46
richard0800: 百推 42.74.128.56 09/30 21:46
mmx9797: 50內!220.135.133.251 09/30 21:46
scott880514: 先推 118.161.83.116 09/30 21:46
tsnomscy: 50推內 1.162.7.53 09/30 21:46
mack860120: 推 118.171.31.124 09/30 21:46
smilemiz: 百推內 1.172.165.97 09/30 21:46
cv479068: 50推前118.150.182.174 09/30 21:46
su4vu6: 百推 123.192.67.178 09/30 21:46
tangent25: 100內! 123.192.84.108 09/30 21:46
pt11235813: 推220.141.128.194 09/30 21:46
larsonloreal: 瑪雅人 49.159.136.173 09/30 21:46
Crazyfire: 百推內118.167.130.193 09/30 21:46
pengjoker: 推 36.231.65.127 09/30 21:46
Jacky68420: 推! 49.217.201.221 09/30 21:46
CaTkinGG: 生殖器放血... 42.73.16.221 09/30 21:46
windwang: 100內! 111.248.198.59 09/30 21:46
bitterjob: 推推 42.77.216.121 09/30 21:46
chocobell: 推180.217.234.130 09/30 21:46
a880338: 推 114.42.166.149 09/30 21:46
benomy: 瑪雅人大大推 223.141.69.200 09/30 21:46
yms55662003: 推 49.217.149.77 09/30 21:46
supersnake: 這樣也釣的到 那問多啦a夢太陽王不就 61.228.44.197 09/30 21:46
PanAndy: 推 36.224.59.207 09/30 21:46
ben75280: 50內118.165.124.202 09/30 21:46
tracyming: 推 117.19.87.71 09/30 21:46
yeeting: 推 124.12.54.166 09/30 21:47
devilfruit: 馬雅人 103.5.100.33 09/30 21:47
noodlesnice: 馬雅人 1.200.213.22 09/30 21:47
Gmail5566: 百推內 101.15.243.247 09/30 21:47
cc02040326: 釣到了 223.139.46.237 09/30 21:47
maxmeyer: 推 49.215.196.185 09/30 21:47
jacklin515: 未看先推101.136.111.154 09/30 21:47
YUreo: 朝聖 111.82.21.218 09/30 21:47
diabolica: 前百 49.159.17.67 09/30 21:47
supersnake: 一次兩個 61.228.44.197 09/30 21:47
ispy03532003: yeah~百推內223.139.107.206 09/30 21:47
UnReal5566: 這樣也行 60.249.201.41 09/30 21:47
sgtpepper: 前百 1.34.242.168 09/30 21:47
Kershaw0817: 百推 爽!!!!!!! 110.26.158.34 09/30 21:47
nejoy: 瑪雅~打球啊~~~你當球棒。 1.172.63.65 09/30 21:47
qazwsx879345: 前擺 140.116.20.16 09/30 21:47
cissant: 百推 114.136.36.180 09/30 21:47
gasbo: 推218.166.132.120 09/30 21:47
hsiao28: 百內!! 49.217.227.86 09/30 21:47
Ironstick: 百推內 223.139.21.205 09/30 21:47
fallinlove27: 推180.217.215.160 09/30 21:47
Biller: 馬雅人耶!106.105.131.107 09/30 21:48
MicroGG: 為什麼你都不會黑嗚嗚嗚嗚 42.74.230.18 09/30 21:48
zona1983: 百推內 118.160.83.126 09/30 21:48
memoryfarm: 終於百推內了~~~爽啦 58.114.8.127 09/30 21:48
GentleJena: 推馬雅人 36.239.93.130 09/30 21:48
saiulbb: "在"放血的過程中, 61.56.143.149 09/30 21:48
x0x: 推推~ 49.218.63.68 09/30 21:48
h777: 推 1.173.157.186 09/30 21:48
ukita: 推 114.37.85.170 09/30 21:48
rikkala: 推 219.70.193.228 09/30 21:48
bill1478963: 推223.137.104.225 09/30 21:48
collector: 推 36.229.7.185 09/30 21:48
wangsan: 推 27.246.227.73 09/30 21:48
hondobaka: 推 114.27.74.199 09/30 21:48
moon128: 百推內 1.160.159.3 09/30 21:49
chebigbear: 推馬雅人 42.72.57.148 09/30 21:49
john16882001: 推 118.160.79.13 09/30 21:49
suckme: 百推 115.82.66.179 09/30 21:49
gugugaga: 推 36.226.237.167 09/30 21:49
visviva: 百推!112.104.145.105 09/30 21:49
oaoa0123: 推 118.168.17.33 09/30 21:49
DarkBagram: 百推 101.10.98.163 09/30 21:49
hsuaba: 喔 101.136.125.71 09/30 21:49
kindredd: 先推 110.28.237.115 09/30 21:49
wesley51231: 百推內118.169.104.236 09/30 21:49
hyuchi0202: XD 114.42.8.129 09/30 21:49
jacky336: 推 42.72.7.63 09/30 21:50
markhbad54: 百推內 114.137.16.143 09/30 21:50
banque: 推 36.232.139.4 09/30 21:50
czplus: 推 218.161.44.33 09/30 21:50
reppoc: 百推內 124.11.211.223 09/30 21:50
SEEDA: 推 114.35.140.109 09/30 21:50
atobela: 推 61.231.38.116 09/30 21:50
xx60824xx: 推 114.39.240.10 09/30 21:50
c2101117: 推 39.10.170.160 09/30 21:50
waree: \馬雅人/ 1.162.19.177 09/30 21:50
hdotistyle: 釣到了 110.50.171.125 09/30 21:50
lslayer: 野生的瑪雅人又出現了223.140.101.233 09/30 21:50
noodlesnice: https://i.imgur.com/GRhuuiP.jpg 1.200.213.22 09/30 21:51
smartmulder: 百推 1.171.129.206 09/30 21:51
ZhaiMan: 推 49.218.4.36 09/30 21:51
cpushit: 推 223.137.122.48 09/30 21:51
Ruid: 靠,繩子穿過舌頭,痛死了吧 114.44.50.99 09/30 21:51
zence: 推 長知識 1.160.161.154 09/30 21:52
a594020419: 百推內 118.233.83.151 09/30 21:52
aq200aq: 前百!!!223.137.189.253 09/30 21:53
kinnsan: 推馬雅人111.250.250.235 09/30 21:53
jerrysun1107: 推 36.237.178.147 09/30 21:54
wdz660918: 推 42.72.194.216 09/30 21:54
ikurin666: 推 1.169.138.54 09/30 21:55
a594020419: https://i.imgur.com/4gi7TfV.jpg 118.233.83.151 09/30 21:55
littlelinsyu: 沒搶到百推,可惡! 115.82.19.177 09/30 21:56
jingo: 百推內 42.76.176.64 09/30 21:56
blauXaoi: 推223.138.108.121 09/30 21:56
jingo: 可惡… 42.76.176.64 09/30 21:57
iceroy: 推 39.9.195.137 09/30 21:57
leokind: 推 36.227.188.146 09/30 21:57
LnBeIsFgDn: 未看先推 150.117.88.13 09/30 21:58
lolitass: 獻祭於馬雅人 39.10.97.84 09/30 21:58
cerberi: 推114.136.241.209 09/30 21:58
tryme123: 先推 67.247.96.185 09/30 21:59
gevo1405: 推 114.39.251.94 09/30 21:59
mzm: 你為什麼要這麼認真 118.233.82.184 09/30 22:01
simple30: 腳推 223.136.0.127 09/30 22:02
yu800910: 推111.255.170.193 09/30 22:02
TaiwanJoe: 推 101.13.81.52 09/30 22:03
domon0525: 推 114.35.232.140 09/30 22:04
asd07633: Push 36.228.133.20 09/30 22:07
uni19ball: 看到你我必推! 1.174.130.122 09/30 22:08
Aubameyang: 推!111.251.157.179 09/30 22:12
tearness: 參見瑪雅王 223.140.52.99 09/30 22:13
tommyhunter: 推 114.35.162.120 09/30 22:13
bruceedm: 推 112.105.51.48 09/30 22:14
psp123456e: 朝聖推 114.136.63.3 09/30 22:16
s961402a: 參見 101.15.20.95 09/30 22:16
alexan920: 推 42.77.144.102 09/30 22:16
mystage: 穿生殖器官也太虔誠了 1.162.10.48 09/30 22:16
daniel1309: 推馬雅人!180.176.132.254 09/30 22:16
ohrring: 先推223.137.142.201 09/30 22:17
whitejeremy: 推 39.12.68.168 09/30 22:21
kamio629: 推 49.214.238.205 09/30 22:22
AUwalker: 媽的真變態 連王都要出血 106.69.16.154 09/30 22:22
STARKWANG: 釣出來了!223.140.149.211 09/30 22:23
feedback: 推 49.216.199.234 09/30 22:23
calvin0319: 請收下我的膝蓋 45.76.83.239 09/30 22:23
Fice: 推 42.72.26.152 09/30 22:24
CRATA: 推! 1.168.137.223 09/30 22:25
edman008ptt: 生殖器放血是不是某集團滲透 114.36.161.231 09/30 22:25
chihuilo: 推 39.12.76.247 09/30 22:26
marisaac: 馬雅人必推 36.233.53.82 09/30 22:26
JacobSu: 推 36.227.56.250 09/30 22:28
llgod: http://i.imgur.com/mHDfQYA.jpg 不知古 1.200.53.231 09/30 22:29
llgod: 墓奇兵3的帕緹緹是否存在 1.200.53.231 09/30 22:29
tofu0315: 馬雅那時候有沒有盜懶覺集團啊^Q^ 101.14.151.143 09/30 22:32
nosba0956: 推爆 42.74.163.102 09/30 22:36
fransiceyho: 推 223.137.137.53 09/30 22:38
lemonshine: 推 110.28.161.109 09/30 22:38
MissEscape: 推推 117.19.137.81 09/30 22:41
Icezone: push 111.82.152.189 09/30 22:41
phil83616: 推 115.82.130.71 09/30 22:42
ELV420: this is 瑪雅人 223.139.15.8 09/30 22:42
y89456852: 應該要有人把馬雅王的文章全部搜集做成 59.115.57.131 09/30 22:45
y89456852: 懶人包 59.115.57.131 09/30 22:45
asdeax08: 推 111.241.56.154 09/30 22:45
q789512547: 那哆啦a夢瑪雅篇的獻祭是不是有錯誤的 101.136.100.10 09/30 22:46
sizukuchrist: 推啊啊 1.200.51.140 09/30 22:48
microtek1990: 推 61.230.18.18 09/30 22:49
f7i69: 推 27.246.98.128 09/30 22:51
m9o2o: 推 223.139.71.18 09/30 22:52
timh3316: 居然釣魚掉到了XDD 1.200.212.147 09/30 22:53
gydiaw: 大使好 101.15.32.178 09/30 22:57
ya870323: 神串留名 223.137.234.11 09/30 22:58
sharkimage: 推 218.161.27.64 09/30 22:59
ddd1264: 專業! 27.52.204.4 09/30 23:00
s900037: 學長 推個 114.136.221.90 09/30 23:01
reko7379: 有瑪雅人有推 27.242.194.139 09/30 23:05
ching620: 先推 馬雅人~~ 118.167.132.7 09/30 23:07
cmcpitt: 推 114.39.215.161 09/30 23:07
RITABAO: 推 111.254.17.61 09/30 23:08
adididi27: 推 49.217.75.130 09/30 23:08
andrew15890: 瑪雅系給推 114.36.131.228 09/30 23:10
elaymutter: 馬雅馬雅 180.217.217.5 09/30 23:13
fm06qup3m4: 留名 27.242.193.62 09/30 23:13
scotch77642: 大推 42.76.119.24 09/30 23:13
okashi206: 兩百推內 49.214.150.29 09/30 23:13
einejack: 再在不分 馬雅人一樣給噓XD 218.164.152.33 09/30 23:16
girafa: 推223.138.126.254 09/30 23:17
wbreeze: 推 180.177.1.246 09/30 23:24
eupa1973: 推 218.187.132.65 09/30 23:27
notneme159: 推個 223.141.85.141 09/30 23:28
wenhuanorman: 250內,推 36.230.60.229 09/30 23:28
krauser2: 馬雅王 101.137.172.89 09/30 23:28
claire174: 必推 111.83.54.102 09/30 23:29
airflow: 殺人誅心 殺人誅心哪! 27.105.244.253 09/30 23:31
q10242: 巴嘎囧也會血祭啊 223.140.85.165 09/30 23:35
twmarstw7758: 馬雅人! 1.169.199.82 09/30 23:35
hiokchi: 推 114.40.71.245 09/30 23:37
wate5566: Kukulkan 是血祭負責人嗎 114.25.125.76 09/30 23:40
speeddragon: 推!!! 111.83.99.83 09/30 23:40
Wl02509806 : 推 42.77.127.103 09/30 23:45
kenndy : 拜推 223.136.119.88 09/30 23:45
FuwafuwaCAT : 推 49.218.104.240 09/30 23:47
tmumlsbbrian: 太神啦 61.64.85.45 09/30 23:48
sliverriver: 猛 223.136.162.41 09/30 23:51
bcqqa7785: 請問怎麼確認是獻祭井而不認為是墳墓或 27.52.135.80 09/30 23:53
bcqqa7785: 棄屍的地方? 27.52.135.80 09/30 23:53
exileclipxe: 推 223.141.96.70 10/01 00:03
Blunt: 推 101.15.16.108 10/01 00:08
garyli: 專業給推~180.217.142.201 10/01 00:11
ru8zj3: 神串留名 36.229.55.8 10/01 00:14
sunny61629: 推馬雅人 61.224.68.57 10/01 00:14
a19533141: 推 101.136.84.57 10/01 00:21
toyamaK52: 感謝雅人大大(喂 大大姓馬雅 不是馬 36.228.50.213 10/01 00:21
F12NLargo: 推推 36.227.86.207 10/01 00:23
hcder4126: 先推再看 49.217.161.214 10/01 00:34
aborwang: 推223.140.228.177 10/01 00:48
Sugarglider: \mayaman/\mayaman/\mayaman/ 123.193.209.90 10/01 00:48
wwqq851019: Ptt我只服馬雅man 180.204.241.30 10/01 00:48
yakults: 推 42.72.145.201 10/01 00:51
abb123456: 推 42.73.101.26 10/01 00:52
powergreen: 推 1.160.164.57 10/01 00:58
ilohoo: 盜懶覺集團瑪雅分部 150.117.220.3 10/01 01:00
beryllos: 跪著看 36.236.42.164 10/01 01:02
tytyty: 專業推 73.223.7.85 10/01 01:03
gipo776: 推 114.42.216.72 10/01 01:03
mpyhacct0443: 太神啦 27.242.30.53 10/01 01:11
staynero8007: 出現啦 101.9.176.250 10/01 01:17
AlvaroMorata: 馬雅人推推推推 223.137.12.189 10/01 01:17
missy: 推 1.162.126.102 10/01 01:18
c24253994: 馬雅人 223.140.28.93 10/01 01:20
missy: 推 114.136.50.64 10/01 01:21
asxc530530: 釣到嚕 42.77.27.21 10/01 01:36
yangnana: 不能不推118.166.155.202 10/01 01:39
cyanineeeee: 推 123.192.66.174 10/01 01:40
marco79811: 清流 101.9.242.11 10/01 02:15
clioheart: 必推 110.50.142.2 10/01 02:25
sion1993: 推 106.1.4.88 10/01 02:52
sagreetiya: http://i.imgur.com/irlF8Xr.jpg 223.140.54.139 10/01 03:08
sober921: http://i.imgur.com/4yTMfrN.jpg 39.8.107.146 10/01 03:32
hellokittybb: 推馬雅人 114.136.54.11 10/01 05:03
XDDDpupu5566: 純推不看 172.58.45.102 10/01 05:08
lPH0NE6S: 好好看 1.200.211.58 10/01 05:11
nnoonn: 長之勢推 114.136.27.52 10/01 05:15
cmcmcmcm2: 推 42.74.58.155 10/01 05:17
xaioxaio4: 推114.136.230.160 10/01 05:43
MrZZ: 清流114.136.127.106 10/01 05:59
k134563: 推推推223.136.115.125 10/01 06:16
aaronpwyu: 馬雅人先推再看 60.108.12.143 10/01 06:16
k134563: 我看了三次好好看223.136.115.125 10/01 06:31
dg7158: 是說瑪雅人血祭怎麼那麼像乩童在操五寶 39.9.105.250 10/01 06:36
aooa: 推114.136.185.147 10/01 06:48
davide68: 來了!馬雅 118.166.66.224 10/01 06:50
juyac11: 推 118.168.59.117 10/01 06:51
tsaodin0220: 馬雅! 223.137.105.33 10/01 07:01
reasonal: 每次看到就會想到漂流幻境的瑪雅獻祭任 223.140.72.96 10/01 07:05
reasonal: 務XD 223.140.72.96 10/01 07:05
iamcnc: 無花果紙 是用無花果樹皮做的紙嗎? 61.227.202.105 10/01 08:03
h4352635: 朝聖 117.19.49.95 10/01 08:09
abruby2522: 朝聖 211.72.109.157 10/01 08:10
lkk10017: 推123.193.176.192 10/01 08:20
singjin: 推 106.1.9.18 10/01 08:26
chang564: 推 117.19.64.150 10/01 08:37
dnkofe: 推 223.138.34.0 10/01 09:16
sample: 反正我是先跪再推 24.90.82.37 10/01 09:25
joeyben: 推 49.216.178.220 10/01 10:43
ricela: 朝聖 42.73.123.75 10/01 12:15
wilbur0406: www 223.137.218.38 10/01 12:20
hssinyue: 推馬雅人223.137.162.123 10/01 22:18
okcool:轉錄至看板 YOLO 10/05 20:15