Fw: [新聞] 經濟學人對台菲事件的報導

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作者: ternway (do my part) 看板: Gossiping
標題: [新聞] 經濟學人對台菲事件的報導
時間: Fri May 17 09:20:15 2013

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英國經濟學人

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Seas of troubles

Taiwan and China share the same maritime claims, but have very different
interests

台灣跟中國在海權主張一致，但利益截然不同

IN THE convoluted dramas in the seas around China, Taiwan is often cast as a
bit player, the optional extra to the lengthy lists of contending parties to
the many territorial disputes. But the fatal shooting on May 9th of a
65-year-old Taiwanese fisherman by the Philippine coastguard has shifted
Taiwan to centre stage. The killing provoked a crisis in its relations with
an important economic partner that happens also to be a treaty ally of America
—the ultimate guarantor of Taiwan’s own defence. In the bigger picture, its
involvement in such disputes inevitably draws attention to the island’s
unsettled international status, and to the future of its relations with China.

在中國周遭海域的主權紛爭，台灣平常都只是無關輕重的角色。但這次不同。
因為本國漁民遭射殺，台灣與菲律賓--台灣重要的經濟夥伴之一
同時也是美國條約盟友--摃上，使得台灣的主權狀態及未來不得不被關注

Because China bars Taiwan from international treaties, Taiwan cannot ratify
the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). But it follows
the convention’s principles. The shooting took place 164 nautical miles
(about 300km) south-east of Taiwan, where the “exclusive economic zone” it
would be entitled to under UNCLOS overlaps with that of the Philippines.

由於中國阻礙台灣的國際參與，台灣沒有適用(?)聯合國海洋法的合法地位
但若依法，此次事件地點應於台菲兩國的重疊專屬經濟區域

Taiwan’s fishing fleet has a reputation as voracious, and in this incident
the Philippines said its coastguard was acting against illegal fishing; it
opened fire to disable the engine of a Taiwanese vessel after it tried to ram
a Philippine cutter. Taiwanese officials said the dead man was unarmed, and
his boat was riddled with bullet holes. The public, whipped up by a
tub-thumping press, was outraged. The government demanded an apology, an
inquiry and compensation and imposed tough sanctions, including a freeze on
the hiring of Filipino workers and the recall of ambassadors. It has
conducted a naval drill in the contested waters. Meanwhile, hackers from both
countries mounted cyber attacks on the other’s official websites. The
Philippines’ first apologies were rejected as “insincere”, though one came
from an envoy appointed by President Benigno Aquino and seemed abject.

台灣的漁船有著貪婪的名聲，同時依菲方說法，台灣這邊非法捕漁在先
而台灣認為漁民既無武裝並且船身都是彈孔，引發國內公憤，
因而政府提出制裁並且進行海上軍演；此外，兩方的駭客已互相網攻。

目前菲國總統指定的大使已道歉，但台灣認為誠意不足

China helped fan Taiwan’s fury. Its foreign ministry was quick to condemn
the “barbaric act”. The reliably bellicose Global Times, a Communist Party
paper, dutifully recalled that Taiwan is in China’s eyes a
province-in-waiting, deserving of its protection. The paper quoted Zhuang
Guotu of Xiamen University, just over the strait from Taiwan: “China has
reiterated over time that Taiwan is an integral part of China. Now is a good
opportunity to show that China will not tolerate the shooting of our
fishermen, whether they are from the mainland or Taiwan, and that our
government is determined to protect the life of its people.”

中方加入譴責菲律賓，並且具官方色彩的媒體認為，依一中原則，
中國政府此時該站出來保護自己(的台灣)人民

Taiwan’s president, Ma Ying-jeou, has presided over a big improvement in
relations with China, through increased trade and tourism. But that has not
brought much sympathy in Taiwan for any kind of Chinese security umbrella,
let alone unification. And in another dispute—over the five,
Japanese-controlled islands in the East China Sea known as the Senkaku
islands in Japanese and the Diaoyu in Chinese—Taiwan has incurred China’s
wrath.

台灣總統馬英九任內帶來了很大幅度的兩岸關係進展，
不過台灣民意目前不認同台灣應該要受中國保護，例如釣魚台爭議

In China’s view, the uninhabited islands are a historical part of what was
the Taiwan prefecture of Fujian province (and, from 1887-95, the province of
Taiwan). Taiwan and the islands it controlled were snatched from the
declining Qing empire in 1895 as war booty by an ascendant Japan. China
argues the islands should have been returned to it on Japan’s defeat in
1945. Japan, however, regards the Senkakus as part of the Okinawa (formerly
the Ryukyu) chain, and says they were unclaimed by any power until it “
discovered” them in 1884. (China’s People’s Daily has raised doubts as to
whether even this interpretation of history would give Japan sovereignty,
questioning its claim to all the Ryukyus, the modern-day Okinawa prefecture).

中國認為歷史上，釣魚台是台灣的，台灣是中國的，日本人應該要把釣魚台吐還中國

So Taiwan was among the fiercest opponents of the Japanese government’s “
nationalisation” last year of three of the islands by buying them from their
private owner. Last September the Taiwanese coastguard fought a rather silly
water-cannon battle with Japan’s near the islands. But last month, to China’
s fury, Taiwan cut a deal with Japan, allowing both countries’ fleets to
fish in the waters round the islands. It was a reminder that, for all its
ardent nationalism, Taiwan has close ties to Japan—which occupied it for 50
years—and also that it pursues its own interests, not those of the Chinese “
motherland”.

台灣也強烈反對日本對釣魚台的主權行動，並且在海上跟日本船互噴過水
然而令中國不爽的是，台灣自己在上個月與日本簽了漁業協定
反映兩件事：台日歷史相近的關係，以及台灣追尋自身利益而非祖國在乎的利益

My country, which is thee?

Worryingly for China, the emotions now on display are driven by patriotism
for Taiwan, not China. The biggest reason the first apologies from the
Philippines were dismissed was that they did not formally come from the
government, because of its “one China” policy of recognising only the
government in Beijing. Resentment at this in Taiwan unites both Mr Ma’s
relatively pro-China ruling party, the Kuomintang (KMT), and the opposition
Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), which favours formal independence for
Taiwan. The DPP also supports the government’s claims to territory that
historically had nothing to do with Taiwan, except as the seat of the KMT
government after it lost the civil war to the Communists in 1949. Taiwan
adheres to the same vague “nine-dashed line” claim as China, asserting
sovereignty over almost all the South China Sea. It has a garrison on the
largest island in the Spratly chain in that sea. Last year, the DPP accused
Mr Ma of a wimpish reaction when China declared that it had set up an
administrative structure for the sea.

令中國煩惱的一個問題是，台灣目前在與菲國的爭執中顯示其不斷強化的自身主權意識。
例如台灣不接受菲國道歉的其中一個主因，就是菲國不願以政府名義道歉，
因為他們接受一中原則，而一中不代表台灣。
不對等道歉的事實，台灣不論是朝野、藍綠、親中或台獨都難以接受。

Just as it has long tolerated Taiwan’s control of tiny islands just off the
mainland, so China probably welcomes Taiwan’s bizarre claim to the South
China Sea. Taiwan’s government has long discarded most of the fictions that
used to sustain its claim to legitimacy over all of China: parliamentary
seats for mainland constituencies, government bodies planning for the
reconquest, and so on. That Taiwan and China make the same territorial claims
is a last vestige of a shared “one China” outlook. Yet its handling of the
row with the Philippines shows how even a “pro-China” government in Taiwan
in fact believes in “one China, one Taiwan”.

兩岸雖然目前在一中的大前提下往來，不過由事件的台灣反應，
即使看來親中的台灣執政政府，心裡大概也是相信「一邊中國、一邊台灣」

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4.備註:

有沒有經濟學人瞎扯一堆就是不叫菲律賓道歉的八卦

(一個人一天只能張貼一則新聞，"被刪"或"自刪"也算額度內，超貼者劣文"請注意")


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噓 xxxg00w0:瞎扯一堆想把中國拖下水來給台灣壓力叫台灣閉嘴嗎?
→ valenci:有沒有紐約時報、Cnn、華爾街日報、讀賣新聞、朝日新聞...
推 nightwing:又是被一中原則給害死 = =
→ acebruce:因為稿是菲菲給的
推 zeze:就是被一中原則害死阿 還一堆人很白痴
推 floyyed:馬更正表示：
推 revorea:主題是一中跟台灣主權意識，菲律賓只是引子。
推 MadStanley:問國際公法權威馬總統感想啊...他的專業說
→ valenci:半島電視台…不叫菲律賓道歉的八卦？
噓 LeonardoChen:什麼狗屁？講得好像漁民被濫殺不是什麼要緊事一樣？
推 lapentti:『台灣的漁船有著貪婪的名聲』
→ jukada:還蠻持平的報導阿....
噓 HarryHTC:經濟學人懂什麼政治!
推 momocom:推翻譯
推 gasbomb:這篇頗中肯啊
推 HinaTomo:有沒有人要寫文章給各大國際媒體
推 EvilPrada:果然又是一中原則被拿來作文章  689應該爽死了
→ wegoodlife:又在亂寫~  這下被菲菲錶了
→ pkmu8426:不談經濟談主權 可笑
→ yoyotv5566:菲律賓故意的啦 它就是沒誠意解決 才拿一中在東拉西扯
推 noabstersion:推翻譯  這篇明顯以菲立場思考,同時挑撥兩岸關係
→ ainor:....都翻成中文給你看了還在說亂寫 = =
→ valenci:這篇是客觀報導的典範吧。你國內媒體看多了？以為經濟學人
→ valenci:報導要愛台才對？
→ noabstersion:完全就是按照菲的推拖拉戰略目標發聲
→ qaz545rain:菲裔美國籍主編？
推 nintendose1:結尾: 台灣中國 一邊一國 !
推 tcancer:比國內媒體強上800倍
→ cblin0605:台灣 中國 一邊一國到底有甚麼不好啊!
推 xxKWANxx:一中原則只是小因素 最大因素是菲律賓覺得台灣是地方政府
推 thesearcher:一邊中國一邊台灣啦
→ HinaTomo:光第四段就不客觀了，貪婪名聲的來源？
→ noabstersion:本文都說台灣漁民是非法捕魚了,明顯幫菲說話
推 EvilPrada:樓樓上廢話  就是因為一中原則  才讓菲理所當然把你當地
推 query:這篇中肯 所謂的一中原則 本來就不該把台灣牽涉進去
推 tws80531:689才不信這本 之前罵水母是幫博
→ EvilPrada:方政府
推 goshfju:這篇很OK了
→ cblin0605:總比一中各表好多了 結果大多數國家只認一中
推 blablalol:台灣不是個能跟菲律賓對等的國家，大家準備好要吞了嗎?
→ blue999:問題是不管一中兩中 就算我們是大陸的 往外畫也是200哩阿
→ blue999:哪裡非法了??
→ sznrain:笑死人 歐盟都快倒了 來自歐洲的經濟學人有個屁
推 kudo0930:中肯啊，生氣的不是死了人，是毫無誠意
→ cblin0605:經濟學人就是罵The Bumbler Ma 難怪蛆蛆要生氣了
推 kudo0930:台灣漁民一天到晚越界捕魚被日本驅離，扣船。不貪婪嗎
推 yago:這篇很中肯
推 mmes:中肯。 尤其是最後一句， 一邊中國，一邊台灣
推 MarcoLou:有講到重疊海域啊
推 guidex:中肯，建議可以回頭看ceca的那篇文
推 ienari:這篇不錯啊
推 valenci:那個是講台灣漁船有些臭名，又不是講這次的
推 sulaman:經濟學人很中肯啊 不論是這篇還是上次的馬邦博
→ stevenkuo:當年國際抗議禁台漁民用流刺網 因為台漁民太厲害了
推 justadog:果然國際上都是關心對中國的影響較多
→ stevenkuo:以前撈過界被扣船罰錢很正常 這次死了人+政府太軟
→ valenci:大國呀，最近又在釣島跟南海步步外逼
噓 yuchuan0521:誰跟你非法捕魚
→ higamanami:台灣漁民那樣會造成海洋生態浩劫
推 scarpa:這篇腦袋滿清楚的 沒台灣或菲菲這麼腦充血
推 FIRZEN45:"台灣的漁船有著貪婪的名聲"  搭配菲方說法會令人誤解
推 godnessman:這篇不錯啊 對方利用一中原則派小咖道歉 就看我們政府
→ godnessman:怎麼應對了
→ valenci:有什麼好誤解的，啊就有說「菲律賓說」了
→ valenci:那看到「中國說」台灣....
推 ArthurDX:寫的很全面且中肯了
推 Galm:至少經濟學人看這報導是很明顯的研究過現況 而非人云亦云
推 njnw:這篇很客觀阿
→ swpoker:兩岸都說一個中國,菲律賓當然承認聯合國常任理事國的中國
推 nicayoung:這篇看起來蠻中立的
→ swpoker:台灣是中國的一部份,就是中國的省或是地區或是特區之類
→ swpoker:越南最近十幾年在東南亞海域可是很囂張的,但越南是國家
推 yahootony:推認真翻譯
→ swpoker:這篇點出一個重點,台灣在國際公法是沒有地位的
→ FIRZEN45:"台灣的漁船有著貪婪的名聲"=>先入為主認為漁船素行不良
推 bnnann:感覺蠻客觀的，新聞稿一定要偏頗某方嗎，這附註寫太爛了吧
推 doordie25:感謝翻譯
→ FIRZEN45:搭配"菲方說法"=>這次該不會也是台灣漁船有錯在先吧?
推 bobohorn:挺客觀的
推 nektsu2:推結論的 一中一台
推 linderberg:西方思考 即使各自宣稱 先理後情 我們是無法接受
→ ternway:假設有錯也不能殺人啊，更何況此假設很可能不成立
推 hsien1105:政府該澄清的要去程清
推 lisy1991516:這是冷靜的分析
推 CaLawrence:這篇寫得很好啊
推 waqw:這篇寫的真的不錯,有看到重點
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→ lovebbcc:檢舉王真的不考慮一下(笑
→ lovebbcc:經濟學人在罵Ma the Bumbler的時候一群人可樂著了
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推 weirdgrape:中肯啊  貪婪也沒算錯
→ qm21:台灣的漁船有著貪婪的名聲，同時依菲方說法，台灣這邊非法捕
→ qm21:漁在先
→ qm21:但若依法，此次事件地點應於台菲兩國的重疊專屬經濟區域
推 lotayuyuejia:其實西方關心的還是中國﹐基本沒在care台菲
→ qm21:報導單方面說法  合法捕魚貪婪什麼  這雜誌分明被收買
→ Ferysis:你的雙重標準神功還不到位阿 神功大成者眼中看到的是
→ lovebbcc:不過看來有人為了讓執政者當糗爺 連這篇都可以在那吹捧了
→ Ferysis:幫伯樂->true 馬政府PPP大增->false 非法捕魚->false
→ Ferysis:馬政府骨子裡搞台獨->false
→ lovebbcc:怎麼說 政府單位動用武力對付手無吋鐵的漁民也有人要說好
→ lovebbcc:冷靜的分析的話 我已經不知道該說些什麼了
→ cheng399:這次沒有馬幫伯了
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→ j3307002:台灣的漁船本來就濫捕啊,長期都不保育,誰當政都一樣
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