[評論] Too much talking

[swallow73 (吃素，減碳，救地球)]

這位老兄說這場辯論很無聊，下次辯論如果要來點刺激的，不如
把兩位候選人綁起來，吊到鯊魚池上吧。

我個人覺得這是不錯的提議，雖然他老兄沒詳細解說這樣的辯論
細節該怎麼執行。我的建議是，既然民主黨現在為初選可能一路
打到黨代表大會而煩惱，那麼乾脆就照Adams先生的提議做。辯
論完後馬上來做個全國民調，看哪一個候選人辯論表現的比較差，
結果出來輸的那個馬上就切斷繩索丟到鯊魚池中。這樣民主黨的
提名人便在驚險刺激的生死一瞬間產生了。

如此一來可以省掉更多的內鬥跟口水戰，早點把焦點放在大選跟
共和黨巨大的政策差距上，相當理想。

Too much talking

The Guardian

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/richard_adams/2008/02/
too_much_talking.html

US elections 2008: Once again, the promise of a debate punch-up between
Clinton and Obama turned into a mildly fractious talkathon
Richard Adams

About Webfeeds February 27, 2008 5:00 AM

Last night's debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama was the
twentieth time the Democratic candidates have met since the primary season
began. It's also probably the last. Having watched most of those debates, as
well as a dozen Republican ones, I think I speak for many when I say: thank
god.

It's not that last night's debate was the worst of the 30 or so I've seen in
the last year. Earlier in the cycle there were several utterly tedious
debates when the stages were crowded with eight or nine candidates, making it
impossible for any thread to develop. But what this series of talkathons
proves is that more of something is indeed not necessarily better. Both
candidates looked and sounded exhausted last night. If this had been a boxing
match, both corners would have thrown in the towels.

The strange thing is that when the series started, Hillary Clinton was
obviously the better debater, and the leading candidate. Barack Obama, while
he could give a good speech in front of a crowd, was no great shakes. But as
the cycle has gone on, he has improved while she, on the evidence of last
night, has got worse, to the extent that Obama probably out-debated her for
the first time since this started, and where Clinton was complaining about
the format.

It also has to be said, for someone who is supposed to have all the details
at her fingertips, Clinton does sometimes slip in some whoppers, such as last
night's claim that solar power manufacturing had created "hundreds of
thousands of jobs" in Germany - simply false (the actual number is about
45,000 jobs), as was her claim that those jobs couldn't be outsourced. Want a
bet? For the second debate in a row, though, Clinton did finish strongly,
giving a fine summary of her experience, and sounds so much more likeable.

Obama had the better sound-bite of the night, when he likened Clinton's vote
for the Iraq war in 2002 to "driving the bus into the ditch" - calling it the
biggest strategic blunder in US foreign policy, and stressing that Clinton
had been an "enabler" of Republican foreign policy. In doing so he neatly
hijacked one of Clinton's strongest claims: "She was ready to give in to
George Bush on day one on this critical issue." Clinton still has no reply to
this, even after all these debates. Curiously, at the end of the debate she
was asked her greatest political regret, and she mentioned a wish to take
back that same Iraq war vote. I bet she does. But that's as close to an
admission of error she's made on the subject.

Obama also had the better comebacks: first, when asked to comment on
Clinton's heavy sarcasm aimed at his cult-like support, he smiled and said it
was funny, thus brushing it off. Second, when Clinton pressed him in overly
pedantic fashion to "reject" rather than "denounce" support from various
unhappy quarters (Louis Farrakhan, for example), he replied that he didn't
think there was a difference but was willing to "reject" as well.

The first half of the debate was a thicket of healthcare and talk about trade
policy. Frankly, neither of these candidates have an optimal position on
either issue, although on healthcare the question is what is possible. The
two have debated these issues, or the slim points of difference between them
on healthcare, so often now that it has the air of a medieval disputation on
the quantity of angels vis-a-vis pin surface areas. Obama's policy is more
likely to get passed by Congress, and that is the best thing that can be said
in its favour. Clinton remains unable to explain how she would enforce a
legal requirement to have health insurance, which seems overly reticent,
especially when she uses that very issue as a point of difference with
Obama's plan.

On trade, and the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta) in particular,
both Obama and Clinton are indulging in vote-winning rhetoric, understandable
in the context of the prospect of a primary in Ohio next week. The difference
is that in the case of Clinton many people assume that she doesn't really
believe what she is saying, in that she is merely taking a position for
political gain, whereas Obama might actually believe this stuff, which is
even more worrying. Clinton almost comically raised the spectre of mighty
foreign companies suing feeble American ones (I'll need to see the
transcripts to get my head around exactly what that was about). So, would
that be through the World Trade Organisation's disputes mechanism, a forum
within which the US regularly loses trade disputes, mainly because it has
broken international law? Hmm. An administration that wants to avoid US
obligations under its previous treaty commitments when it suits them - who
does that sound like? The current occupants of the White House, perhaps?
Anyway, the Doha trade round isn't likely to benefit from either a President
Clinton or President Obama, based on last night.

With that in mind, one of the reasons this debate was such a downer was the
poverty of the questions. With both candidates talking about re-negotiating
Nafta, the obvious - blindingly obvious, some might say - question is: how
exactly? Why, when US house prices are melting, was that subject not deemed
worthy of a long discussion?

In terms of the effect on the primaries next Tuesday, in Texas and Ohio, I
doubt this debate will make a jot of difference to the result. Clinton should
still win Ohio with some comfort, and Texas will be close. And that leaves
open the possibility of one thing: yet another debate. And unless it's
conducted with the candidates suspended over a tank full of sharks, it's hard
to imagine how to keep the thrill alive for number 21.

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※ 編輯: swallow73       來自: 122.127.64.2         (02/28 02:27)
推 oplz:HC 昨天辯論也提到了 SNL 的片段... 不過看來 HC 真的沒望了
→ swallow73:不,如果掉到鯊魚池中的是Obama,鯊魚們又沒有被環保人士
→ swallow73:騙去吃素的話,HRC就有希望了
推 oplz:SNL Tina Fey 那片段在 Youtube 上因為侵權都被移除掉了, 有
→ oplz:點可惜.. 不過新聞討論的影片裡有部分片段..Tina Fey rules!
→ swallow73:請問Tina Fey是什麼?難道鯊魚池這麼有趣的發明是她的原
→ swallow73:創?
推 oplz:是正妹
→ oplz:補充一下 是 有腦的正妹
→ swallow73:查了一下,37歲也不算是妹了
推 lolancelot:Tina Fey rocks!!!
→ lolancelot:youtube上還是有SNL的片段 找tina fey
推 oplz:http://tinyurl.com/2h59dp
→ oplz:在 NBC 官網找到的...
→ swallow73:謝謝,只可惜可能是我這裡網路有問題,不能看
推 ncyc:想瞭解Tina Fey，請看NBC屢獲大獎的喜劇「30 Rock」
推 ccrimson:鯊魚是用來放池子裡咬人的麼？動保人士會出來抓狂
→ swallow73:動保團體比較可能出來批評政客是有害沙魚健康的垃圾
→ swallow73:食品