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標 題: CNN Interview to Kissinger
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September 17, 2001 Posted: 11:19 AM EDT (1519 GMT)
(CNN) -- Henry Kissinger, U.S. secretary of state and national security
adviser during the Nixon administration, played a large role in U.S.
policy during the latter part of the Vietnam War. He talked with CNN's
Paula Zahn on Monday about last week's terrorist attacks on U.S. targets
and offered his perspective on the road ahead.
CNN: Let's start off with the latest development. We know that Pakistan's
top spy and a former ambassador to Afghanistan have gone to the Taliban and
issued a demand: Give us Osama bin Laden in the next three days or face
military action.
What's going to happen as a result of that demand?
KISSINGER: Well, I think it's an ultimatum, and if they refuse, there will
certainly be military action. But I believe we have to go after the Taliban
anyway. They've been supporting these terrorist activities all over the area
and all over the world, and it isn't enough for them to give up one man, they
have to dismantle the structure of terrorism.
CNN: Do you have any confidence that someone can accomplish that? I think
Madeleine Albright in the last hour said it's like cutting off the head of
a snake and having all these other little parts trail behind.
KISSINGER: Well, in part, that is correct. But these groups require a base,
they require money, they require organization, and if we can get them on the
run and if they have to spend all their energy surviving, they can't plan
these meticulously prepared attacks that we saw in New York and in Washington.
And it isn't only Afghanistan, there are countries like Syria that have bases,
Sudan, some are probably in Algeria, and we have to put governments on notice
that if they extend safe havens to terrorists, they will run the risks that
terrorists do.
CNN: So are you telling me this morning that the United States and its allies
might find themselves in the position of attacking Syria and perhaps Iraq?
KISSINGER: No, I don't think we have to attack Syria because Syria will close
down these camps if they are brought under enough pressure.
Iraq, I would be open-minded on. If they have ties to any of these terrorist
networks, they should be attacked.
CNN: Let's explore further the impact of Pakistan, now offering its support
to the United States in exchange for retiring $30 billion worth of debt and
some other things they want taken care of by the United States. There are
says don't trust Pakistan. Do you trust Pakistan?
KISSINGER: I don't know. I would judge countries by their performance now,
not by their words. The American objective has to be to break up these
terrorist organizations. I'm not saying that all had to be done with military
force; for example, there could be a ban on travel to any country that has
safe haven for terrorists, added to economic pressures.
But in the end these terrorist groups must have training bases; they prepare
these things at great leisure, and it is dangerous for all of us, suicidal,
to let them get organized, hit us, then take one retaliatory blow and come
back two or three years later with another disruptive, murderous attack.
CNN: So while the Bush administration is exploring military options, it is
working around the clock to build a number of different kinds of coalitions.
Where do you think Russia is in all this?
KISSINGER: Well, Russia is in a very curious position, and I hope some of the
reports that I have read aren't true, because no country has been -- I was in
Russia in July and talked to many of their leading people. And their sense was
of the danger of fundamentalists and terrorists; of course, they were thinking
in part of Chechnya. Now they seem to be holding back a little bit, vis-a-vis
Afghanistan because they must have some pleasure in watching the Americans get
But at the end of the day, all these countries have to understand that they
are targets even before we are; we're just a symbol. When they went after us,
it was a symbol to everybody else that if even America can be attacked, what
chance do you people have? And that's why we need a broad coalition. But we
cannot be made dependent on whether everybody agrees.
CNN: Secretary of State Colin Powell mentioned that an executive order that
was put into place in 1976 on President Ford's watch that forbids
assassinations is under review. If that is lifted, and if the United States
and its allies can specifically target Osama bin Laden, who the president
says is the prime suspect, how will that change the efforts in the months to
come?
KISSINGER: Not much. We're not good at this. If this assassination order was
interpreted that we couldn't bomb a building in which Osama is located, then
it will free us for that sort of attack, but hiring assassins that go after
individuals is not something Americans are very good at.
I support whatever Secretary Powell proposed, and altogether, I'm impressed
by the decisiveness of the administration. So I don't think that will be the
key element. The key element will be: one, whether we can generate a consensus;
secondly, whether we will keep going after our initial, hopefully, success,
CNN: You said that, and Sunday we heard a number of cabinet secretaries
repeat that message. What is it that the American public should be prepared
for? I heard someone say a 10-year war.
KISSINGER: Well, it could be a prolonged war, but its intensity will diminish,
and after a while it will be a mopping-up operation. And what we have to
remember is, if we don't do it, we will remain permanently vulnerable.
People who rely on us and others even who don't rely on us are going to be
under an even greater threat than we are, and that means that the world will
be dominated by terrorists, and we can't tolerate this.
CNN: One last question for you: Do you think U.S. intelligence knows where
Osama bin Laden is today as we speak?
KISSINGER: Well, they probably don't know the street number, but they
probably have a general idea of the region where he's located. And we ought
to give some credit to our intelligence services because they've been under
tremendous pressure from our domestic institutions, and they've had a tough
job.
CNN: So you are not willing to say U.S. intelligence has failed America?
KISSINGER: No. I think U.S. intelligence has been -- if you look at one
investigation after another, they have done as good a job as they could
under the circumstances.
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