作者imgkiller (無血之大戮)
看板Jeremy_Lin
標題Fw: [外絮] Searching for Jeremy Lin 探索林書豪
時間Wed Jan 8 08:42:43 2014
※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板 #1Ip9xdxh ]
作者: imgkiller (無血之大戮) 看板: NBA
標題: [外絮] Searching for Jeremy Lin 探索林書豪
時間: Wed Jan 8 08:42:10 2014
Searching For Jeremy Lin
http://www.thedreamshake.com/2014/1/3/5249000/houston-rockets-jeremy-lin-2014
翻譯by 初丁林小允
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2797585552
There are two things that I really dislike, one is writing introductions for
anything and the other is irrational reactions to NBA players. Obviously this
isn't going to be a whole post about why I don't like writing introductions,
I probably wouldn't even make it past the intro anyway, let alone Patrick.
Rather, I'm going to dive into dangerous waters and paint the picture of who
exactly Jeremy Lin is as a basketball player. I will highlight the areas in
which Jeremy Lin excels and struggles and compare him to other starting point
guards in the NBA in an attempt to figure out how effective of a basketball
player he really is.
有2件事情我真的一點也不喜歡,一個是不愛寫開頭。一個是對NBA球員荒謬的評價。當然
了,這個文章不是要討論我為什麼不喜歡寫開頭。反正我可能也會直接跳過開頭不寫。。
今天不說貝弗利,讓我們進入危險的未知世界然後勾畫用一下林書豪作為一個籃球運動員
到底是怎樣的。我會重點強調林書豪優秀和掙扎的方面,然後對比聯盟中其他的首發控衛
,試著用這方法來看看林書豪到底是一個多有效率的籃球運動員。
Now, I am aware that Lin has his fair share of haters and fanatics and that
there's nothing that myself or anyone else can do to change their view of
him. I'm not even going to waste my time. My goal in this post isn't to
persuade you on whether or not Jeremy Lin is a good/bad player, but to create
a clear picture of who Jeremy Lin is as a player and for you (the reader) to
be able to create informed thoughts based on the information that's provided.
With that said, join me as I go searching for Jeremy Lin。
Looking into Lin's performance there seems to be 2 clear trends in his play.
The first being that the areas which are his strengths, he really excels in.
He excels in these areas so much that he's among or better than the NBA's
elite point guards. The other trend being the opposite, the areas in which
Lin is weak, he really struggles. In fact, in some categories he's near the
bottom of NBA point guard, but I'm a positive person, so let's start with his
strengths
現在我發現關於林書豪是怎樣,黑子和林密們心理都有一個評價了,不是我或者任何一個
人能改變這些看法的。我不會在試著想給大家洗腦而浪費時間的。我這篇文章的目的不是
去勸說你去想林書豪是個好球員或者是個不好的球員,但是我想試著去構建一個清晰的視
角 讓大家看看林書豪作為一個球員的表現,從而讓你們(讀者)可以基於這些提供的信
息而對林書豪有個更廣泛更合理的認知。就想之前說的,來吧,跟我一起來探索一下林書
豪吧。
如果你觀察林書豪的表現不難發現在他的打球方法有2個趨勢習慣。第一個趨勢習慣是他
的優點,他真的在這些方面非常優秀,優秀到甚至領先於聯盟裡其他精英控衛。另一個趨
勢習慣是完全相反的。是林書豪的弱點所在,真的在這些地方表現的非常掙扎,實際上,
在一些統計類別裡他甚至在NBA控衛裡的最底端。但是我是一個積極樂觀的人,那麼就讓
我們從優點開始談起吧。
Scoring
Jeremy Lin plays point guard on the attack, he doesn't let touches go to
waste without looking to score on them. His biggest strengths in his scoring
comes off: catching and shooting the ball, driving and finishing at the rim,
executing the pick and roll, and being in attack-mode on almost every touch.
Before we dive into those specific categories, I want to look at his overall
scoring per half court touch and compare them to the NBA's elite point
guards. Jeremy Lin (at the time of writing this, and this goes for all stats
in this post) is averaging .29 points per half court touch. That might seem
low and it is for the overall NBA, but for point guards this is near the top.
For example, Nate Robinson leads all point guards with .32 points per half
court touch and the only starting point guards above him are Curry (.31),
Westbrook (.3), and Lillard (.3). In comparison, Jeremy Lin's mark is
significantly higher than point guards such as Parker (.26), Lawson (.25),
Paul (.23), Wall (.23), Holiday (.23), and Deron Williams (.19).
It's no secret Lin likes to attack when the ball is in his hands and these
stats prove that he's very good at it. Let's find out how he gets the
majority of these points.
{得分}
林書豪是那種喜歡攻擊的控球後衛,他不會浪費任何一次觸球機會而不尋找進攻機會。他
最大的優勢在他得分表現裡:接球就投,帶球突破上籃,執行擋差,在基本上每次觸球機
會裡都尋找進攻進攻機會。
在我們深度探索這些方面之前,讓我們先看看他的總得分在每次半場觸球的得分,來對比
一下聯盟的其他經營控衛。目前為止(在我寫文章的時候2014年1月3日。從所有統計中看
)林書豪平均每次半場觸球低分是0.29分。這個統計是在所有NBA球員中,雖然在所有NBA
球員中看起來很低,但是只看控球後衛的話確是前幾名的。舉個例子來說,內特羅賓遜(
0.32分每次半場觸球)領先所有的控球後衛。在先發控衛裡比林書豪高的只有庫裡(0.31
)威少(0.3)利拉德(0.3).對比其他人,林書豪的效率甚至高於像帕克(0.26)勞森(
0.25)保羅(0.23)沃爾(0.23)霍樂迪(0.23)德隆(0.19)。當球在手中時林書豪喜
歡攻擊籃框已經不再是什麼秘密了,這些數據證明了林書豪在這方面做的非常優秀,非常
擅長。讓我們看看他是從什麼地方拿到大部分分數的吧。
Catch and Shoot Situations
If I were to ask somebody "how good of a shooter is Jeremy Lin?", they would
most likely respond with that he's average or below average. While saying
that he's average overall is pretty accurate, if I were to change that
question to "How good of a catch and shoot shooter is Jeremy Lin?" they would
most likely respond with the same answer. To be blunt about it, they would be
very wrong.
Jeremy Lin has an eFG% of 67.7% (2nd among starting point guards, 9th among
all point guards, and 24th in the NBA) on catch and shoot shots. If you're
wondering who the starting point guard above Lin is, it's Jose Calderon (no
surprise there). To further Jeremy Lin's strengths as a spot up shooter, he
shoots 46.4% on catch and shoot 3s (37th in NBA, 4th among starting point
guards, and 12th among all point guards). This isn't due to lack of volume
either, Lin shoots 2.4 3s a game off catch and shoot opportunities, more than
players like Lawson and Kemba Walker and similar to players like Stephen
Curry and Kyrie Irving.
I hope this was able to get rid of all the memories of Lin airballs which
have a better chance of hitting a fan than the rim and replace them with
acceptance that a Lin catch and shoot shot is one of the best shots the
Rockets can create in their offense. Hopefully he can keep this mark high
during the season because it adds a new dimension to his game which lets him
be effective off the ball when Harden, Beverley, and Brooks are acting as the
primary ball handler.
{接球就投的情況}
如果我去問問其他人「你覺得林書豪是個怎樣的射手?」他們最可能的回答是,他是比較
平均,比較一般的射手,甚至低於平均。對於說林書豪是個總體來講比較一般,比較平均
的射手來說是比較準確的評價。但是如果我改變我的問題「林書豪作為一個接球就投的射
手來說,你覺得他怎麼樣?"人們最可能的回答可能是一樣的答案。坦白直率的說,他們都
說錯了。
林書豪在接球就投的情況下有著66.7%的命中率(所有先發控衛裡第二,所有控衛裡第9,
所有NBA球員裡第24)。如果你好奇 誰是那個林書豪高的先發控衛,他是卡爾德隆(一點
也不驚訝).跟進一步的來看林書豪作為接球就投的射手,他在三分線外接球就投上有著
46.4%的命中率(NBA所有球員裡第37,所有先發控衛裡第4,所有控衛裡第12.)之所以這
樣並不是因為出手基數太小。林書豪平均每場2.4次在接球就投的三分出手次數。遠遠的
超過像是勞森,沃克,接近於庫裡和歐文。
我希望這些統計能讓大家告別那些陳舊的印象,什麼林書豪投出的空氣球比起擊中籃框更
可能擊中球迷之類的理論。而相信林書豪接球就投的能力是火箭隊能創造的最好的進攻機
會之一。希望林書豪隨著賽季的進行能保持住這個手感,因為這給林書豪的比賽增加了一
個好處,他可以不持球也能變得高效,當哈登,貝弗利,布魯克斯主控的時候。
Driving
This is Lin's bread and butter. When Lin is attacking the basket he is at his
best. Whether it comes via the pick and roll or isolations, when Jeremy gets
to the rim there's no stopping him. His ability to finish through contact and
make acrobatic layups and reverses separates him from the pack in finishing
at the rim. Overall, Jeremy Lin shoots 73%(!) inside the restricted area
which is ridiculously high.
That's a better mark than most big men (including Dwight Howard)! On overall
drives, Lin shoots 57.1% (55th in the league, 2nd among all point guards).
Read this paragraph again. Done? Read it one more time. Finishing at the rim
and driving ability is an elite commodity in the NBA and Jeremy Lin embraces
and thrives at it.
To expand this a little bit more, Lin is 16th overall in personal points on
drives a game, 9th overall in team points on drives a game, and 12th in
points per 48 via drives. Because point totals aren't the most reliable
metrics, I've calculated the points per drive for Lin, which came out to be
about .6. To put this in perspective, Chris Paul, Jeff Teague, John Wall, Ty
Lawson, Stephen Curry, and Russell Westbrook are some of the point guards who
are below Lin in player points per drive.
Also, the points per drive accounts for turnovers, so if Lin were able to cut
down his turnovers that number would increase. Given that, these numbers are
as good as they come for a player who isn't even in the top 3 on his team.
Look for Lin to attack the basket even more over this season when Beverley
comes back and he's leading the bench unit instead of playing with the
starters.
{持球突破}
這對於林書豪來說是小菜一碟了。當他突破進攻籃框的時候他最擅長了。無論是從擋差中
發起,還是他自己單打。當林書豪突到籃下後是無可阻擋的。他在身體接觸中完成投籃的
能力和雜耍般的上籃,反籃,使他的突破進攻更加多樣性。總體來說林書豪在合理衝撞區
的命中率高達73%!!實在是難以置信的高命中。
這是一個比大多數大個子球員更高的命中率(包括霍華德)! 在所有的突破裡,林書豪
的命中率也達到了57.1%(在NBA所有球員中55,在所有控衛中第2)在讀一下這段,讀完了
嗎?再讀一次。在籃下進攻和突破技巧是一項精英級別的技術在這個聯盟裡,林書豪則是
信手拈來。
在這項上在擴展一些的話,林書豪在突破得分這項統計上在NBA所有球員中第16.在所有球
隊平均每場突破得分上第9,在每48分鐘突破效率上第12.因為總得分並不是最可靠的統計
,我自己計算了一下林書豪每次突破的得分率。差不多平均每次0.6分。從這點上來看,
像是保羅,的哥,沃爾,勞森,庫裡,威少和其他的控衛是低於林書豪的。
並且,每次突破得分率是把失誤計算在內的,如果林書豪能減少他的失誤,那個數字還會
上升。從這些數字上來看,對於一個連球隊前三選擇的球員都算不上的球員已經不能再好
了。希望看到林書豪更多的攻擊籃框,當貝弗利回來之後,林書豪在第二陣容的時候。
Pick and Roll play
Lin is most at home on the basketball court when he is able to execute the
pick and roll. We've seen him dominate when paired up with Tyson Chandler in
New York, he did well with Omer Asik last year, and this year he has been
very good with Terrence Jones and Dwight Howard as his roll partners.
Synergy Sports tracks all pick and roll possessions and Jeremy Lin ranks 33rd
in the league in Points Per Play with .86. Lin also shoots 50% on pick and
rolls and is able to score on 45.8% of pick and rolls he's involved in. when
he uses the pick, he goes straight towards the basket attacking it. This
leads to many points, but also a large amount of turnovers.
Given those issues with his pick and roll play, it is still very impressive
that he ranks 33rd in the league. Expect his pick and roll play to improve
even more over the season and for him to go back to being an elite pick and
roll player like he was the past 2 seasons.
【擋拆進攻】
當林書豪能有機會在場上執行擋拆進攻的時候,是他感到最舒服的時候。我們之前見證過
他和錢德勒在紐約打的風聲水球的擋拆是多麼有統治了。他去年跟阿西克打的也不錯。今
年瓊斯和火花最為他的切入夥伴打的也不錯。
追蹤所有擋拆進攻回合發現林書豪排在聯盟中排第33 在每次擋拆進攻回合得分0.86。而
且林書豪在擋拆進攻中的命中率50%,在他參與的擋拆中有百分之45.8%的幾率轉化成得分
。當他利用擋拆後,他直接帶球衝擊籃框,這拿到了很多分數的同事也造成了大量的失誤
雖然在他的擋拆中存在著一些問題,但是還是令人眼前一亮,第33在整個聯盟。期待他的
擋拆進攻隨著賽季的進行變得更加提高,變回那個在過去2個賽季中的擋拆大師林瘋狂。
Defending the rim
Defense as a strength for Jeremy Lin? Allen must have gone crazy. Now, I'm
aware of Lin's defensive woes, he gets lost on defense, fouls a little bit
too much, doesn't get enough steals, and seems out of it at times. However
there is one very important area which he is great at. Keeping his matchup
from finishing at the rim.
It's not a secret that shots inside the restricted area are some of the most
efficient shots in the NBA and Lin does a great job of keeping his matchups
from finishing them. He holds his opponents to 43.8% shooting which leads all
the NBA's starting point guards. "But Allen, that's because Dwight is always
down low" While that is correct, let's look at George Hill who has probably
the best paint defender manning the paint behind him in Roy Hibbert. He's
allowing his matchups to shoot 56.3% at the rim against him this season. For
another example, Brandon Jennings who has 3 capable defenders in the front
court starting beside him allows his opponents to shoot 58.6%.
It also needs to be noted that since returning from injury, Jeremy has been
on a tear defensively. This could mean either that his numbers will improve
because he's improving his defense or he's just on a streak and will regress
towards the mean as the season goes on. If I were to make a bet, I would put
money on him regressing to the mean.
【防守籃框】
防守是林書豪的優勢?Allen(作者)一定是瘋了,現在來看,我已經看出了林書豪防守端
的表現,他在防守端很迷茫,犯規數有一點多,沒有足夠的搶斷,偶爾有時候看起來跟不
上節奏。但是 有一點他非常擅長,不給對方控衛上籃的機會。
在合理衝撞區進攻是NBA裡最有效的得分方式已經不是什麼秘密了,林書豪在防對方球員
突破上籃這方面干的非常不錯。他的對位球員只有43.8%的命中率,這項統計領先於聯盟
所有先發控衛。但是,allen.「那是因為霍華德一直在禁區裡面」 好吧,這是對的。讓
我們看看喬治希爾吧,他的隊伍裡有可能是NBA最好的防守籃下的球員希伯特。喬治希爾
讓他的對位球員有著達到56.3%的籃下命中率在這個賽季。在來個例子,詹寧斯,他的球
隊有著3個相當不錯的前場球員在他身邊幫忙,他還是讓他的對位球員在籃下的命中率達
到58.6%。
還有一項也需要強調的是,自從傷病中回來後,林書豪的防守端表現非常出色,這可以說
明是他的防守數字會增長因為他在防守端的進步,也可能說明他只是打出了一個小高潮,
隨著賽季的進行會變的平淡。如果我要作出一個賭注的話,我會賭他在之後的比賽會趨於
平淡。
What we've learned
Together we have dived into Jeremy's overall scoring, his spot up shooting,
driving, pick and roll play, and defense. We've learned that he's among the
point guard leaders in points per touch and defense while being among the
league's leaders in driving and catch and shooting. That's a large amount of
playing basketball and for Jeremy to not only excel, but league the league in
some of those categories is a huge asset to a team.
I would've never thought the guy who people are so quick to label "overpaid"
would be among the NBA's elite in many of the most important aspects of
basketball. My perception of Jeremy's play has definitely changed. I thought
he was nothing more than a slightly above average point guard, but now I view
him as one of the most effective and efficient point guards in the league for
what he does. However, Jeremy isn't perfect (no matter what his fans tell
you) and still has some major aspects of his game to work on. Let's flip the
table and look at the other side of Jeremy Lin.
【我們瞭解的東西】
隨著之前我們深度透析了林書豪的總得分手段,接球就投技巧,突破技巧,擋拆進攻,和
防守。我們已經瞭解了他是聯盟控衛中最好的幾個之一的半場觸球得分球員和在防守端的
表現。同時也是聯盟裡帶球突破和接球就投的最好的幾個控衛之一。這是很大一部分的籃
球的技巧,林書豪不僅是極其精通 而且還在幾個方面領先於聯盟,實在是球隊不可或缺
的財產。
我從來沒有想過林書豪,這個人們給他快速定義的那個標籤「不值得他的合同」的人會在
NBA很多重要的技術統計領域搖搖領先。我對林書豪的看法完全的改變了。我原以為林書
豪最多也就是個稍微好於平均水準的控衛。但是現在隨著他的表現我認為他是聯盟中最有
效率的控衛之一。但是林書豪不是完美的(無論他的球迷怎麼說)還是有很多重要的地方
需要改善,讓我們調轉方向,看看林書豪不完美的那一面吧。
Pull-up Shooting
We』ve established that Lin has been one of the best catch and shoot players
in the league this season, but what about shooting off the dribble? Lin
attempts 2.5 pull up shots a game and only manages to convert hit 26.2% of
them. That』s slightly above making 1/4thof his shots which is atrocious for
any guard. Only 2 players in the whole NBA who shoot at least 1 pull-up three
a game post lower percentages than Jeremy. Those players are Kobe Bryant and
J.R. Smith. Yikes.
The problem lies in his shot selection, watching Lin's tape over the season
a majority of his pull up shots come late in the shotclock or are pullup
fadeaways from midrange which are the shots the Rockets』 offense
specifically want to get rid of. When you』re only managing to have an eFG%
of 29.5% (only 2 starting point guards who are lower are Mario Chalmers and
Patrick Beverley) your shot selection needs to come into question. In Lin's
case, he could do away with at least 1 pull-up midrange shot a game. It might
not seem like much, but every point matters in the NBA and if you are able to
trade a 25% shot for a 50% shot, you take it every time. That』s what Lin
needs to do, instead of pulling up so much, he should focus on driving and
catch and shooting.
【持球跳投】
我們已經論證了林書豪這個賽季已經成為聯盟裡最好的接球就投的投手之一。但是看看持
球後跳投呢?林書豪每場要出手2.5次跳投,但是只有26.2%的幾率會轉化成得分。只有一
點點高於扔4個,仍丟3個的命中率,對於任何後衛球員來說都不是很好。整個NBA只有2個
球員,每場至少出手一個跳投三分的,比林書豪的命中率還低,這2個人是科比和JR史密
斯。
這個問題是個假象在林書豪的出手時機上,看看林書豪這個賽季的比賽錄像,大部分他的
跳投都是在計時器快走完的時候或者是後仰出手中距離投籃。這些正好都是火箭隊進攻不
想要的東西。當你的命中率只有29.5%的時候(只有2個先發比這個低,查爾莫斯和貝弗利
)你的出手選擇上肯定是有問題。在林書豪的例子裡來說。他可以至少每場比賽減少一次
中距離出手。這看起來並不是太多,但是在NBA每分都很重要,如果你能講25%的命中換成
50% 那麼何樂而不為呢?這就是林書豪需要做的。他應該專注於突破上籃和接球就投而不
是太多的持球跳投。
Passing
The Rockets use a pick and roll oriented offense which keeps the court wide
open by playing 3-4 capable shooters at all times. It's a point guard's
dream. With the pace and style that the Rockets play, Lin should be racking
assists like it's no problem. He doesn't. Lin is only 51st in the league in
assists per game with 4.2.
There are 36 point guards ahead of him. 36! He's 58th in the league in assist
opportunities a game, 48th in team points from his assists, and 76th in team
points from assists per 48 min. For point guards who get at least 29 minutes
a game, he ranks near last in every one of those metrics.
An interesting metric which has been created is "Passing Rating" from
82games.com. It takes into account turnovers, bad passes, and the type of
assists. Lin posts a rating of 6.2, which is lower than every starting point
guard except for George Hill, Brandon Knight, Patrick Beverley, and Kirk
Hinrich. If Lin wants to make the leap we』ve all been waiting for him to
make, he needs to focus on his distributing because right now he』s not
getting it done. Going back to playing with the second unit could improve his
passing since it』s made up of mostly shooters and Lin will have the ball in
his hands for a large part of the time.
【傳球】
火箭隊本著擋拆的進攻理念,隨著3-4個不錯的射手在場上拉開進攻空間,這是所有控衛
的夢想。隨著火箭隊的進攻節奏和進攻方法。林書豪看起來應該在刷助攻上沒什麼難度,
實際上確不是的,林書豪在聯盟助攻榜上只排在51位,場均4.2次。
一共有36個控衛排在他前面!他在每場創造傳球機會上只排在聯盟58位。在球隊轉化助攻
得分上只排到48位,在每48分鐘效率 球隊得分由助攻轉化上只排到76位。對於一個每場
至少有29分鐘出場時間的控衛來說。他的這些排名都是接近底端。
82games.com開發了一個很有趣的統計數據叫「傳球率」。把失誤也計算在內,不好的傳
球,和傳球的種類。林書豪的數據是6.2 在所有的控球後衛裡只比 喬治希爾 奈特,貝弗
利 和辛裡奇高。如果林書豪想像我們一直期待的那樣一飛沖天。他需要專注於他的分球
助攻。因為現在他做的遠遠不夠,回到第二陣容應該能增加他的助攻。第二陣容大部分是
投手,林書豪會大量時間持球。
Turnovers
You were wondering when I was going to bring this up huh? I saved it for last
because it's where Lin struggles the most. He turns the ball over 2.8 times a
game according to ESPN which puts him at 25th in the league. Interestingly
every player above Jeremy is either the first or second option on their
offense and carries a large load while it's debatable that Lin is even the
3rd option on the Rockets.
Lin』s Ast/TO numbers are also very bad. His ratio is sitting currently at
1.47, making Derrick Rose the only point guard to post a lower ratio who
turns the ball over at least 2 times a game. Turnovers play a large role in
teams losing games because they take a shot attempt away from your team and
give one to your opponents. Too many of them and games can be impossible to
win, and let』s be honest, there have been games where Lin』s massive amount
of turnovers led to Rockets』 losses. I think that if the Rockets and Lin
want to make the leap to the next level, they need to cut down on turnovers
and it starts with Lin.
【失誤】
你們一直在好奇我什麼時候才會談到這個問題呢?我把它留到最後因為這是林書豪最掙扎
的地方。根據ESPN統計 他每場失誤2.8次。整個聯盟排25.有趣的是,所有比林書豪失誤
更多的要麼就是球隊的第一或者第二選擇,有著大量的持球機會。而林書豪甚至是不是球
隊的第三進攻選擇都有爭議。
林書豪的助攻失誤比同樣非常不好。他的比率最近在1.47,在場均至少2次失誤的控衛裡
,僅僅比羅斯高。失誤是球隊輸球的關鍵之一。因為失誤使你的球隊失去一次進攻回合而
讓對手多一次進攻機會。如果失誤太多,球隊是不可能贏的。讓我們實話實說,很多輸球
的比賽都是因為林書豪的失誤過多造成的。我想如果火箭隊或者林書豪想取得進步,他們
需要減少失誤,尤其是林書豪。
What we've learned
Despite Jeremy's strengths, Jeremy also struggles greatly in pull-up
shooting, passing, and in taking care of the ball. Jeremy was a star in New
York, but has regressed to a slightly above average point guard in his time
with Houston. This is mostly due to his turnovers and lack of being able to
distribute the ball, where he ranks near last in the important metrics for
point guards. For Jeremy to go back to playing dynamic basketball like he has
before, he』ll have to cut down his turnovers, work on creating more points
off his passing, and work on his shot selection by cutting down the amount of
pull-up shots he takes a game. If not, he's just a really expensive role
player/trade chip which I'm not okay with. He can be better.
【我們瞭解到的東西】
儘管林書豪有很多優點,但是他也同樣在跳投,傳球,和不失誤方面表現的非常掙扎。林
書豪在紐約的時候是個明星。但是在火箭隊的時候已經變成了一個稍微比平均水準好一些
的控衛。這大部分原因是因為他的失誤和傳球能力。他在這2個對於控衛很重要的技術方
面在聯盟中排名接近墊底。林書豪如果想找回他過去那種有激情有活力的比賽,那麼他需
要減少他的失誤,增加傳球技巧。減少每場跳投出手。如果不這樣的話,他就是個非常昂
貴的角色球員/交易添頭,我一點也不覺得好。 他可以做的更好的。
Conclusion
I hope your view of Lin has changed some after reading this post, whether it
be you think he's worse or better than you did before. What I got out of
this is that Jeremy Lin is a player who excels and is one of the most
efficient point guards in multiple important aspects of basketball, but his
glaring weaknesses almost make his strengths go to waste. Over this season I'
m going to be paying a lot of attention to Lin to see whether he makes the
jump to the next level of point guard or falls of the cliff he』s standing
on. It all depends on what gives first, his strengths or his weaknesses.
Now, I have to ask, has this post changed your view of who Jeremy Lin is and
how did it change it? How do you think the rest of Lin's season is going to
go? And lastly, what』s your final evaluation of Lin after reading this?
Thank you for taking the time to read all of this, you can tweet me @Allen_OJ
(formerly known as OJ_ATM), and have a great new year!
【總結】
我希望在看完這個文章後你對林書豪的看法會有些改變。不論是你覺得他比你認為的前好
了 還是差了。我自己的看法是,林書豪是一個非常高效的控衛在很多重要的統計方面都
在聯盟領先。但是他的缺陷也同樣很大,幾乎把他的優點都浪費了。
隨著這個賽季的進行,我會持續花大把時間關注林書豪,去看看他是否能讓自己達到另一
個等級或者墜落谷底。完全在於他能利用好哪個,優勢還是缺陷。
現在我不得不問,這篇文章有改變你對林書豪的看法嗎,是怎麼改變的?你覺得剩下的賽
季林書豪會是什麼表現?最後,在看完了這篇文章之後你對林書豪最後的評價是什麼?
感謝花時間看完這個,你可以在推特上給我留言,祝大家新年愉快!
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→ eileen86:等下補推^^ 謝謝翻譯 01/08 08:46
推 miha80425:有很多可以撇開不談 接球投射這點跟哈登完全沒排斥 01/08 08:50
→ miha80425:有些人古老印象的Lin搭不起來 角色太雷同 恐怕不看球的 01/08 08:52
→ miha80425:C&S更是可以有效降低失誤 你懂我也懂 就教練團不懂 01/08 08:53
→ imgkiller:不是我翻的哦 我只是轉錄 我開頭把譯者的名字寫上了 01/08 08:54
→ gunng:不過這篇很多點是用PG去看 問題他現在定位不是.... 01/08 08:54
→ gunng:進攻上當然優於其他PG 相對組織上比較就弱了 01/08 08:55
推 eileen86:也要看還剩多少時間可以組織吧 挨~ 01/08 08:58
推 miha80425:C&S能力A 切入S 組織B+ 失誤C 防守B+ 大概是目前的樣子 01/08 08:58
推 eileen86:失誤C = =" 01/08 08:59
推 gunng:在有限時裡 失誤數是真的略高 01/08 09:01
推 lsforever:請練隔空抓球or無球組織 01/08 09:02
推 miha80425:今年的TO ratio是退步的 最近是有小進步 不過要在觀察 01/08 09:03
推 bluesunflowe:不過本季失誤跟黑背心默契不足也有關..又常常沒飯買 01/08 09:04
推 miha80425:這我不得不說說最近的切入TO 裁判不給就是不給 超沒愛 01/08 09:05
→ kerotamama:印象Lin打先發助攻數比較多?打替補根本很難刷 先說我 01/08 09:06
→ kerotamama:是印象派哦 嘻 01/08 09:06
推 miha80425:復出後的吹判 有復出前的水準 這幾場可以少個4次TO左右 01/08 09:07
→ hagousla:原來Lin傳球的評價這麼低 01/08 09:08
→ kerotamama:角色換來變去要培養默契根本很難 01/08 09:08
推 plzsmile:先發時當然助攻多 替補時根本不是當PG 球都給PB控 01/08 09:09
→ kerotamama:和前一篇助攻效率評價又不同 01/08 09:09
→ plzsmile:這季Lin的傳球的確沒像上季令人驚豔 很大原因是腳色轉換 01/08 09:10
推 bluesunflowe:Lin當鬍子替補>>SG. 鬍子在>>鬍PG~哪來lin是PG錯覺?? 01/08 09:11
推 plzsmile:然後球權最多的鬍子助攻也沒高Lin多少 難怪火箭助攻下降 01/08 09:12
推 miha80425:這跟隊型也有很大的關係 上一篇大多在比較隊內的情況 01/08 09:13
推 kinki999:之前在閒聊區我有貼過~ 01/08 09:13
→ bluesunflowe:而且火箭從後場抓板就自帶自上..傳個P啊?? 01/08 09:14
推 ghostxx:火箭不用PG發動,林沒球控又不是打純PG,助攻數這樣不錯了 01/08 09:14
推 miha80425:這數據背後詳細的分析 在火箭還是很會傳的... 01/08 09:15
推 plzsmile:火箭提倡人人是PG的打法阿 從SG到PF都可以自己帶球過半場 01/08 09:16
→ miha80425:沒有足夠的機會證明PG能力 是目前Lin最大的困境 01/08 09:16
推 lsforever:比起快速切入得分 我比較想看LIN妙傳 在火箭...唉 01/08 09:19
推 gunng:他現在失誤大部份是上籃的失誤 以前最多切傳失誤反而少很多 01/08 09:21
→ gunng:上籃失誤又可以跟哨音扯點關係了(茶) 01/08 09:22
→ kinki999:總版大濕出現了…呵呵 01/08 09:24
→ kinki999:也是啦,常常被打漏球,沒哨音也算失誤 01/08 09:25
推 kinki999:講得太中肯,害我不習慣~~~ 01/08 09:32
推 attdave:這篇OK的 01/08 09:44
推 nancyh:感謝分享! 還是覺得Lin這季多為SG 控衛技術無法精進 也不意 01/08 10:12
→ nancyh:外 = =" 01/08 10:12
推 Landius:文章是ok啦,只是Lin現在是掛牌控衛而已吧?? 01/08 10:16
→ testwindraja:連結文章其實先前有被節錄,這是完整版 01/08 10:19
→ testwindraja:搭這篇一起看會對HOU的現況有更好的理解 01/08 10:19
推 kinki999:林現在是四不像後衛,還沒被養壞,也是夠強了。 01/08 10:24
→ kinki999:有沒有籃球界最強18124分析系統的八卦呢? 01/08 10:26
→ peggie:唷~~殺圖人轉性囉?轉對岸的翻譯文過來求幫推想洗白嗎? 01/08 10:29
推 kinki999:這篇…我十二月part2閒聊就po過了 01/08 10:30
推 Landius:說四不像後衛,我倒覺得就是功能偏重化的一般後衛... 01/08 10:41
→ avril0625:看到ID直接end,這是有禮貌的林版所以給箭頭,我討厭你 01/08 10:47
→ avril0625:! 01/08 10:47
→ hiro1221:老實說Lin今年傳球感覺有退步,有時候看他傳給隊友的位置 01/08 11:00
→ hiro1221:都不是很好,甚至高吊給DH常常失手,去年傳球比今年要好 01/08 11:00
→ flow1978:一樣數據分析,為何在助功的評價上差別這麼大啊?@@ 01/08 11:01
推 kinki999:我們這個賽季22勝13負,而上賽季21勝14負,沒想到吧? 01/08 11:04
→ kinki999:在七十樓,戰績希望後面能保持,要不然某人應該會不爽。 01/08 11:05
→ verna312:就算之後輸球 某人應該不會那麼快發飆 畢竟這隊上他就是 01/08 11:07
→ verna312:老大XD不會有人來靠北他 01/08 11:07
→ verna312:連敗+不進季後(或季後一輪才會..XD相比前東家 01/08 11:08
→ turbomons:給箭頭 數據派最大的問題往往是倒果為因 01/08 11:08
→ turbomons:林在火箭很明顯的就是所謂的戰術邊緣人 01/08 11:10
→ turbomons:別說林 在這種人人皆控 所謂的開放式進攻體系 01/08 11:12
→ flow1978:戰術邊緣人+1 太明顯 01/08 11:12
→ turbomons:能養出什麼樣的好控衛 01/08 11:13
推 i376ers:這季林被壓縮上場下不刷點分成績就會很慘 當然助攻變差 01/08 11:13
→ turbomons:去看看湖人馬歇爾最近的表現就知道這是怎樣的天差地別 01/08 11:14
推 kinki999:火箭體系需要的是高個子防守+三分的sg或sf,矮個pg用不上 01/08 11:17
→ kinki999:其實哈登一人就包辦sg跟pg就好了~大鎖補防守跟三分就好了 01/08 11:18
→ kinki999:讓哈登轉職後衛完全一手包比較好~~林就讓他放生吧。 01/08 11:19
推 twooneshuo:覺得隊友接林書豪接不好也很多...(標準林迷XD) 01/08 11:19
→ kinki999:只是…pg每個那麼會鑽,監視守可能會被罵的很慘。 01/08 11:20
推 testwindraja:這套體系如果稍加優化,加上限制式(效率差的不開放做 01/08 11:26
→ testwindraja:而是靠SET PLAY,那有可能會比較好 01/08 11:26
→ testwindraja:現在常常揚短抑長,成效打折扣非常合理 01/08 11:28
→ bluesunflowe:Lin傳球沒那麼差..但隊友常常嚇到~(X 說好打ISO的... 01/08 11:29
→ zkl:除了中鋒以外 各個位置都可以運球過半場.還能寄望刷多少助攻.. 01/08 11:52
→ zkl:幾次看JONES自己運過半場 LIN就在他旁邊或者前面 實在是.... 01/08 11:52
推 Basket0205:鬍子適合第六人 但是一定沒人這樣幹 01/08 11:56
推 plzsmile:那也是教練要求他們這麼打的 free style ~ 01/08 12:00
推 miha80425:鬍子只要把5%拿去做定點三分 火箭現在就不是這樣 01/08 12:00
→ plzsmile:沒有教練的授權 其他人怎麼敢自己帶球過半場站弧頂組織? 01/08 12:02
推 bluesunflowe:自己上就是想打快阿~自帶自上......然後放槍~~(喂~~ 01/08 12:06
推 peggie:很煩耶 18124不是早就離開總版龜在隊版嗎?又在總版看到他 01/08 12:11
→ peggie:(推錯文) 01/08 12:11
→ zkl:只能說火箭的戰術就是爛 西區能走多遠? 八強頂多了!! 01/08 12:12
→ waiting0801:本想推,看到ID給箭頭 01/08 12:14
推 i376ers:看某大師的推回文看得很膩 乾脆直接忽略 01/08 12:34
→ deliciou70:老實說是個廢文,大概是那種只會看數據 不看比賽內容的 01/08 13:04
→ yun0215:的確是不看內容只看數據+1 01/08 13:24
推 cipram90320:謝翻 失誤跟傳球....恰恰就是隊友因素佔最重的 01/08 13:30
→ cipram90320:隊友是否配合(默契、熟悉及得分),高度相關決定助攻 01/08 13:31
→ cipram90320:是否成功,失誤是否可以避免。 01/08 13:32
→ plzsmile:這篇也不是原PO翻的阿 要謝謝原翻譯者 01/08 13:36
推 greedypeople:18124在總版這篇反而有點像在替林講話的感覺 01/08 13:36
→ greedypeople:差點以為他被盜帳號 01/08 13:38
推 bhmok:有人知道passing rating和assist effciency的差異嗎? 01/08 14:09
推 wylscott: 傳球比率? 助攻效率? 01/08 14:41
推 rexlin1981:看完這篇並沒改變我對林的看法耶 愛就是愛無須理性 01/08 14:42
→ ghghfftjack:18124本來就不討厭Lin...他只是習慣講他認為正確的 01/08 14:54
→ ghghfftjack:有些人連文章內容都沒看 看到ID就嫌煩了吧 01/08 14:54
→ ghghfftjack:他會看數據也會看影片追蹤比賽內容 至少比一般人要 01/08 14:54
→ ghghfftjack:理解火箭怎麼用的 Lin的表現怎麼樣 01/08 14:55
推 kinki999:是愛辯跟愛下結論,不是那方向的都是錯~ 01/08 14:56
→ kinki999:忘了,還會愛跳針~~~ 01/08 14:56
→ ghghfftjack:愛辨是真的 但至少他辨的就我觀察也是正確的 01/08 14:57
→ ghghfftjack:吵不贏他的才會跳針吧 01/08 14:57
→ kinki999:基本上是個性討人厭,跟講內容是否有時對錯無關。 01/08 14:57
→ ghghfftjack:像最近有個ero就是這樣 01/08 14:57
→ ghghfftjack:個性討人厭跟事情講的對不對是兩回事 01/08 14:57
→ ghghfftjack:如果把你個人的好惡放一旁 其實你會從他文章中獲益 01/08 14:58
→ kinki999:有人認為是彈性,非得要結論下死,偏向到自已要的~偏執吧 01/08 14:59
→ ghghfftjack:那是他的問題了 有些時候吵架要知道該收手的時候 01/08 14:59
→ ghghfftjack:我也覺得他有時候太愛跟著吵 明明停手就好了 01/08 15:00
→ ghghfftjack:對方也沒講話了 偏要烙一句又繼續吵=_= 01/08 15:00
→ kinki999:之前去上課,也有一些技術控學生,在上課時間講自已技術 01/08 15:00
→ kinki999:話題,老師教沒幾句就自行補充,拜託…還沒聽到尾就插嘴 01/08 15:01
→ kinki999:是來上課聽大綱都還沒理完,話題又被那個技術控學生轉移 01/08 15:02
→ ghghfftjack:我說實在話 要說他是學生等級的話 跟他吵的那些 01/08 15:02
→ ghghfftjack:大概就只有幼兒園等級 01/08 15:02
→ kinki999:結果…變成技術控跟老師在互相研究,那天學不到什麼~ 01/08 15:03
→ kinki999:某i就像技術控學生一樣,只想賣弄自已知識,偏離大綱 01/08 15:05
→ ghghfftjack:把你個人對他的喜好放一旁 他只是很容易吵起來 01/08 15:06
→ ghghfftjack:在最一開始的時候發的推文或文章是有內容的 01/08 15:06
→ kinki999:花錢去上一堂幾千元的課~聽他們互相研究…沒學到上課東西 01/08 15:07
→ ghghfftjack:不過我個人也不喜歡他太愛用數據的方式... 01/08 15:07
→ ghghfftjack:講得實在太過冷冰冰 01/08 15:07
→ kinki999:文章明明就有彈性討論。非得講死,世間沒有「絕對」對錯 01/08 15:08
→ ghghfftjack:很多東西其實他沒有講死 01/08 15:09
→ ghghfftjack:但是他認為數據顯示的很明白的東西講錯就是要糾正 01/08 15:09
→ ghghfftjack:所以會讓你覺得他很愛辨 01/08 15:09
→ kinki999:以上是我有次花錢上課不爽的經驗…順便比喻 01/08 15:09
→ ghghfftjack:拍拍 你很衰小..... 01/08 15:10
→ ghghfftjack:如果你討厭看他後面落落長的推文就忽略吧 01/08 15:10
→ ghghfftjack:找對自己好的資訊吸收就好了 01/08 15:10
→ kinki999:要嘛,自已開課~別在私下跟專業知識不同打嘴砲~ 01/08 15:11
→ plzsmile:為什麼要在Lin版討論不相干的人啊...都已經不去隊版了... 01/08 15:12
→ ghghfftjack:上面先提的(聳) 01/08 15:14
推 erotica:gh別鬧了 他拿8場球 發明usg%跟eFG%合理平衡 根本硬湊的 01/08 15:15
→ kinki999:其實我要偷學大濕洗版~~~~ 01/08 15:16
→ erotica:還有 8場球的落差3% eFG%.....叫做差很多 你說這啥? 01/08 15:16
→ ghghfftjack:是你根本連他的意思都沒去聽吧 01/08 15:17
→ ghghfftjack:差很多這三個字不是你斷章取義的嗎 01/08 15:17
→ erotica:明明效率是同級範圍內的 硬要說一邊效率高一邊效率低 zzz 01/08 15:17
→ ghghfftjack:他的意思就是要說那段時間沒有爆發這回事 你不是同意? 01/08 15:17
→ lsforever:兩句回幾十句 可以去總板大師文下推嗎@@ 01/08 15:18
→ erotica:你又被牽鼻子走了 他的3%講法是後來才改凹的 01/08 15:18
→ ghghfftjack:是你凹的吧 我回去看他的說法沒有錯啊 01/08 15:18
→ ghghfftjack:有些句法一點點差別就會造成不同意思 抓著打是??? 01/08 15:19
→ erotica:如果是跟所謂爆發比 那根本不是3% 3%就是0.65 vs 0.68 01/08 15:19
→ ghghfftjack:他就說那根本沒爆發了 01/08 15:19
→ ghghfftjack:從前後文看都是同一種意思 01/08 15:19
→ erotica:"3%差很多" 根本不是他改凹說"這跟你們講的爆發差很多" 01/08 15:21
→ erotica:3%就是0.654跟0.684差很多 01/08 15:21
→ ghghfftjack:那他上一句 就沒有爆發嘛是打假的嗎? 01/08 15:21
→ ghghfftjack:差很多捏跟差很多逆 他只是用錯講法而已吧 01/08 15:22
→ ghghfftjack:你如果只想糾結這一句話不想看他上一句就說嘛 01/08 15:22
推 kinki999:別為了大濕,爭風吃醋~~~((((((羞 01/08 15:23
→ erotica:錯了 那兩行他是講不同的出發點 01/08 15:23
→ erotica:第一行是講大範圍 沒有爆發 01/08 15:24
→ erotica:第二行"3%差很多" 是針對我說 "66% 68%"那一行的回應 01/08 15:25
→ erotica:你把兩行當一起才是搞混了.... 01/08 15:25
→ ghghfftjack:3%誰都不會覺得差很多吧 更何況是大師 01/08 15:27
→ ghghfftjack:他那的確是在講 是差很多了捏 =差很多了逆 的意思 01/08 15:27
→ ghghfftjack:如果你因為這一點語句你覺得抓到了破綻 01/08 15:27
→ ghghfftjack:那你要不要重新檢視一次他的推文? 01/08 15:27
→ ghghfftjack:很明顯他的意思就是說沒爆發 01/08 15:28
推 erotica:錯了 KOBE vs HARDEN 生涯就是差3%的eFG% 01/08 15:29
推 waiting0801:我剛剛我以為走到隊版了..... 01/08 15:29
→ ghghfftjack:重看好累 等我一下 01/08 15:29
→ erotica:在他腦中KOBE vs HARDEN 效率就是差很多 所以他才會 01/08 15:29
推 kinki999:my bad~~~(nba梗) 01/08 15:30
→ erotica:不經思考就說出 3%差很多 但是數據才8場並非長期數據 01/08 15:31
→ ghghfftjack:看完了 我想上面是我講錯 他的意思的確是差很多 01/08 15:31
→ bluesunflowe:這邊沒大師跑出一個幫大師講解的是怎樣??一.一 01/08 15:32
→ ghghfftjack:但我想他的意思是用在eFG%跟usg%平衡的那部分 01/08 15:32
→ ghghfftjack:再回頭說這樣沒有變差也沒有變好 01/08 15:32
→ ghghfftjack:因為上面有人提阿(聳) 01/08 15:32
→ waiting0801:害我以為我又進錯版,然後出去一看,沒錯進錯阿-.-! 01/08 15:33
推 bluesunflowe:要再繼續講解可以去隊版嗎????????????????????????? 01/08 15:34
推 miha80425:我頭又開始痛了 今天沒睡好... 01/08 15:35
→ waiting0801:不知道可以水球嗎? 01/08 15:35
→ bluesunflowe:隊版鬼打牆完換這裡就是了?????? 01/08 15:35
推 jrreid:以為走錯版+1 01/08 15:35
→ ghghfftjack:好啦 不提了 01/08 15:35
推 peggie:~跪請大師信徒們行行好,留給林版一個淨土,謝謝!感恩~ 01/08 15:55
推 tsubasa6405:大師在總板又要被打臉了 01/08 16:01
→ ghghfftjack:講成信徒也太誇張 相信一個對的說法叫做信徒是嗎 01/08 16:09
推 bluesunflowe:沒那麼嚴重啦~林迷都被說邪教了...幽默看待就好~~XDD 01/08 16:12
推 jrreid:相信你不是信徒啦XD 多討論林別討論大師就好:p 01/08 16:16
→ testwindraja:對錯未知,但是他論證的方式非常跳TONE,這就是為啥 01/08 16:18
→ testwindraja:我說用論文標準評比會是垃圾級。 01/08 16:18
→ jrreid:推樓上 01/08 16:21
推 balanokia:怎麼跑來這裡戰呢= = 01/08 16:22
→ testwindraja:沒要戰 XD 這很基礎... 當你要論述別人的論點有誤時 01/08 16:23
→ testwindraja:只說"這錯了",但不說為什麼錯跟怎樣才對、為什麼對 01/08 16:24
→ testwindraja:的話,那整個論述就是空泛跳TONE的... 01/08 16:25
→ balanokia:18124本來就不討厭Lin 但是討厭有人講鬍子!! 01/08 16:25
→ testwindraja:以他的說法當例子,他覺得論點有誤的原因是分類有誤 01/08 16:25
→ testwindraja:但他沒提怎樣(分類)才對,也沒說為什麼這樣更好 01/08 16:27
推 miha80425:他護航鬍子過頭了 這就是引戰原因(不管對錯) 01/08 16:27
→ testwindraja:更沒依據這當基礎來說明依此會導出怎樣的結論 01/08 16:27
→ testwindraja:結果就是無比跳TONE... 跟"我這樣才對,你們狗屎" 01/08 16:28
→ miha80425:而且他常碰敏感點 像Lin打SG你看PER高 效率好(白眼 01/08 16:29
→ testwindraja:差不多同個意思。 要看得順眼實在很難 01/08 16:30
→ miha80425:林迷最不爽的就這個了 打SG又替補 01/08 16:30
→ balanokia:說不防守沒傷害也很好笑 有打過球的就知道 隊友不防 01/08 16:33
→ balanokia:造成的士氣 心理方面影響很大 不管對手有沒有得分 01/08 16:33
推 jrreid:而且隊友要付出更多體力擦屁股 數據無法顯示 01/08 16:41
推 bluesunflowe:覺得先不用討論這麼多 說不定明星賽票選完打法就改了 01/08 16:42
→ bluesunflowe:真心認為鬍子最近的大量ISO跟明星賽有關 (不要戰我.. 01/08 16:43
→ bluesunflowe:我有說"說不定"喔...( ′-`)y-~ 01/08 16:45
推 miha80425:趕快死心吧 明星賽沒人想看他買飯 只會助長Lin的票數 01/08 16:51
推 i376ers:這裡是林板 說鬍子球霸壓縮林上場空間有錯嗎 鬍子批不得? 01/08 16:54
推 dre0105:我相信gh大不是信徒 但我也認為18124在某些性格上很令人 01/08 16:55
推 bluesunflowe:but 關鍵球給鬍子是不會改低.......(被揍 01/08 16:55
→ dre0105:反感 01/08 16:55
推 i376ers:在林板難道也要看某大師洗腦說火箭使用林在板凳是合理? 01/08 16:56
→ dre0105: 在隊板我也和他戰過.那時的我只是訴求給lin多點上場時間 01/08 16:57
→ dre0105:相對的lin一定會給予應有的表現 結果硬要被他說教練群沒 01/08 16:58
→ dre0105:有問題 之後兩場馬上印證我的看法 lin連兩場的第四節 01/08 16:58
推 patrickleeee:GH只是贊成大濕論點 只是要吵不要來這吵隊版總版隨便 01/08 16:59
→ dre0105:爆發....結果對NY又印證了我認為教練群的不信任 01/08 16:59
推 i376ers:林的可貴就在於以前默默無聞也能努力 後來打出林來瘋 01/08 17:00
→ dre0105:我認為GH大也是有認真在看分析與討論..但對於好辯者 01/08 17:00
→ i376ers:所謂的大師和專家之前哪算得到這點? 球是圓的 事無絕對 01/08 17:01
→ dre0105:真的就敬謝不敏 為何一定要把結論硬是導向他的說法 01/08 17:01
→ dre0105:是阿 要是真的全NBA的球團 教練 球迷都是這樣的思維 01/08 17:02
推 i376ers:這麼會算會辯 比賽勝負早就定了 01/08 17:02
→ dre0105:也就不可能有LIN了 01/08 17:03
推 i376ers:數據永遠只供參考 在NBA永遠不知道誰會當下一個英雄 01/08 17:04
→ peggie:→ghghfftjack:如果你很介意"信徒"這字眼,我跟你說對不起! 01/08 17:05
→ peggie:但我同時也是對其他還沒踩進來的信徒呼籲。給我淨土~~~ 01/08 17:06
推 senaswong:真的沒那麼多時間去看一個偏執狂的數據分析, 看球就是娛 01/08 17:13
→ senaswong:樂, 我相信自己的判斷 01/08 17:13
→ waiting0801:其實數據這東西真的要找,很多人都會找 01/08 17:16
→ waiting0801:但是看球賽我覺得就是開心,而且可以找到志同道合的人 01/08 17:16
→ bhmok:我笑了你錯了的邏輯跟被自殺案例其實滿像的 如軍法醫現場量 01/08 17:16
→ bhmok:測兇槍以90度面向死者 雖無法理解為啥槍離死者十公尺 但得出 01/08 17:16
→ bhmok:結論死者是自殺的 就如無法理解某數據顯示偏低 但得出對球 01/08 17:16
→ bhmok:隊沒造成傷害的結論一樣 XD 01/08 17:16
→ waiting0801:然後大家一起聊天,我比較喜歡這種氣氛 01/08 17:17
推 senaswong:(我只知道火箭和某登毀了我的娛樂) 01/08 17:17
推 i376ers:我還覺得糗爺比數據大師更有說服力(菸) 01/08 17:22
→ chiaomaster:18124是啥東西? 01/08 17:55
推 bluesunflowe: 是一種概念... (歐 01/08 18:04
推 balanokia: 類似佛地魔的存在... 01/08 18:13
→ djviva:推waiting說的, 火箭毀了我看球的樂趣... 01/08 18:17
推 EVASUKA: 人體論文產生器 01/08 18:48
推 clockwise:這篇推文看到又有大濕信徒幫他說話就導彈 = = 01/08 18:57
→ clockwise:要幫他說話隊板還不夠嗎? 連林板也不放過就是了 = = 01/08 18:57
→ clockwise:真受不了 然後一樣的也是推文落落長 不愧是信徒 = = 01/08 18:58
推 savannaq:什麼是18124到底!? 01/08 19:27
→ ghghfftjack:受不了 有人內容都沒看就直接說 01/08 19:29
推 kinki999:MY BAD~~~讓gh被誤解了。 01/08 19:35
→ satheni:18124...雖然我也不確定,不過轉成相似的英文應該就... 01/08 20:21
推 balanokia:gh(拍) 大師的推文就是這樣啊 對或錯都讓人受不了 01/08 20:34
推 bluesunflowe:18124...是一個system... (再歐 01/08 20:41
推 kinki999:18124只是個軟體~~抽牌決鬥吧 01/08 20:44
推 fbi46:大師的牌組只有三張 1.我笑了 2.你錯了 3.XD 01/08 21:10
→ ghghfftjack:....樓上莫名好笑 01/08 21:44
推 yun0215:抽牌決鬥吧!!!!我覆蓋一張卡結束這回合XDDDD 01/08 22:50
→ imgkiller:ast eff(傳球效率):你成功傳球給隊友後,他投球能得多少 01/08 23:36
→ imgkiller:分,就算他被犯規沒進,但之後罰球得分,也會算再這數據 01/08 23:37
→ imgkiller:裡面。但相對的,這個數據不考慮失誤,不考慮你沒傳球成 01/08 23:38
→ imgkiller:功的情況。而且理論上,"傳球效率"跟你的傳球習慣比較有 01/08 23:39
→ imgkiller:關,你多傳給在內線的人,這數據會拉高。chris paul等人 01/08 23:40
→ imgkiller:的"傳球效率"還差林一截 01/08 23:41
→ imgkiller:passing rate把失誤也考慮進去,還細分傳給什麼位子的隊 01/08 23:44
→ imgkiller:友。你傳給內線的隊友得到的分數會高於傳給外線的隊友 01/08 23:47
推 k5a:我是不是走錯板了啊?! 這是怎麼回事啊 = =? 01/09 00:29
→ bhmok:看來失誤明顯拉低了傳球率 那實質PG與失誤最高的我鬍傳球率 01/09 09:19
→ bhmok:不曉得會有多少說 一哥是不容質疑的 01/09 09:20
→ bhmok:印象派來說 擁最高球權可較輕鬆選擇傳球時機 扣掉失誤 會比 01/09 09:25
→ bhmok:小朋友高一些 這值得大事拿來高讚我鬍威武 01/09 09:27
→ enesra:林版只歡迎林迷發言 不歡迎他版友 林迷到他版發言就行? 01/09 10:09
→ enesra:還是別版發言的都反串.... 01/09 10:10
推 patrickleeee:只有不歡迎林酸 樓上沒搞清楚就鞭人阿 01/09 10:11
→ bhmok:搞清楚總版與個版差異 你到火車站嚷嚷與在別人家嚷嚷有差吧 01/09 10:18
推 enesra:看某人的發言 不就很排外 這篇有某大師的推文嗎? 也被鞭 01/09 10:33
→ enesra:那隊板呢? 沒嚷嚷嗎? 我這不算鞭人吧 只希望公平 01/09 10:38
→ bhmok:在家里嚷嚷 看來影響到路過的信徒了 你別在門外探頭咩 01/09 10:41
→ bhmok:話說隊版也不是私人空間吧 01/09 10:44
→ enesra:你憑哪點說我是信徒? 因為跟意見不同? 01/09 10:44
推 lsforever:要"熱烈"討論某人在他板的發言 應該要在某人的文下吧 01/09 10:45
→ enesra:秘密社團才是私人空間吧 01/09 10:45
→ enesra:推文的clockwise不能說嗎? 那我道歉 01/09 10:45
→ lsforever:無論認同或反對意見都是 兩人都用某人在他板講的數據 01/09 10:47
→ bhmok:拍謝 對尼克那場冰箱的怒快結束了 我閉講 XD 01/09 10:48
→ lsforever:你一言我一句的洗推文 他們辯得很開心 可是別人看不懂啊 01/09 10:48
推 peggie:我承認個人對某幾人有偏見,至少我不會笨到去別人家裡耍白爛 01/09 11:17
→ peggie:到別人家的客廳指著別人家的小孩子罵沒教養,到底是誰有問題 01/09 11:19
推 counterpunch:奇怪 又有平常不認識的ID一來就嗆人 還真客氣啊 01/09 11:21
→ peggie:總版愛罵迷迷就算了,窩在林版取暖也要被酸,這位酸酸你有病? 01/09 11:21
→ counterpunch:要人家歡不歡迎你也看看自己講話口氣好嗎? 01/09 11:21
→ peggie:隊版愛怎樣就怎樣,反正林迷就是棄子,既然分家了就各自好走, 01/09 11:26
→ peggie:高貴隊版可以批評林迷,卑賤林版不能批評隊迷? 哈 哈 哈! 01/09 11:28
推 counterpunch:p大別氣 不值得為海巡酸酸生氣 01/09 11:29
→ peggie:以上是我個人的意見,不代表其他林迷立場,不要又誣賴給迷迷! 01/09 11:30
→ bhmok:拍謝啦 這幾天對冰箱的怒氣招惹了某擁護者了 污了大家眼 XD 01/09 11:49
→ bhmok:其實我平常是愛好和平 助人為樂 早餐店人稱小帥哥呢 01/09 11:56
推 counterpunch:樓上 伸圖! XD 01/09 12:03
推 bluesunflowe:伸圖+1 有圖有真相 01/09 12:10
→ bhmok:有空請多跑早餐店 圖太數據了 多看就有小帥哥的印象 XD 01/09 12:28
推 clockwise:噗 我被點名了耶 要紅了嗎? 真害羞 >///< 01/09 15:24
→ yun0215:我每次都沒跟上...期末考期間就是這樣(攤手 01/09 15:33
→ clockwise:y大來得及啦 下面那面又是林板戰林迷文Round ? 01/09 15:35
→ yun0215:我明天還有一科主科 明天才有時間觀戰(誤 到時候我又腿了 01/09 15:38
→ kinki999:我每次買早餐也被老闆娘喊帥哥~~~羞 01/09 16:07
推 patrickleeee:我每次買早中晚餐 也是一直被叫阿(大誤) 01/09 16:09
→ bhmok:竟然第一個被點名(臉紅) 不過開頭就批人禁止發數據文就露 01/09 17:56
→ bhmok:餡了 XD 01/09 17:56
推 patrickleeee:照他本板的發文記錄 應該是很少來 如果有經歷過之前 01/09 18:08
→ patrickleeee:各種風波 怎麼現在還在新警察OTZ 01/09 18:09
→ greedypeople:反正我不覺得他會更喜歡總版還是隊版的風氣 01/09 18:12
→ greedypeople:不過發文記錄不準啦 我的話連文都沒發過 01/09 18:15
推 bluesunflowe:我是覺得被誤解的話就解釋一下就好..沒那麼嚴重~ 01/09 18:39
→ bluesunflowe:之前也發生過類似的事..誤解板友還會幫講話~ 01/09 18:40
推 NgJovi:助攻那邊有點冤 常常停球找不到人傳 沒跑動 01/09 21:33
→ peggie:→enesra:非常抱歉讓你不舒服,我是有感而發,不是針對你。 01/10 14:23