Re: [情報] 又賣0.99元了...

[knmtou (1)]

※ 引述《herohoney (http://ppt.cc/eJRa 點!!)》之銘言：
: http://twitter.com/#!/amazonmp3/status/73650270021750784
: http://ppt.cc/5tq1 (amazon網站)
: 還沒買專輯的人快去買吧...XDD
: 看來銷量又要往上衝了
: 只是到時候會有人講話就是了@"@

看來國外已經有人在連署陳情了，寫這篇陳情文的人認為

Amazon以0.99美金的價格幫助GAGA銷售專輯是CHEATING，希望Billboard

不要把這個promotion算進專輯銷量內

(之前BestBuy 買一支智慧型手機就送一張專輯的促銷已經不被算進Billboard 200內了)

節錄重點：

這種「作弊」行為不能算進銷量內，他們覺得這種手段讓BTW可以很容易的破百萬銷售，
假使一萬個小怪獸各買100張專輯，百萬銷售根本就是垂手可得 (老實說我覺得這個論點
太好笑了XDDD)。這種行為太不公平了，之前破百萬的歌手都是以原價或是不會太誇張的
促銷價格賣破百萬。


以下是信件全文

Dear Billboard,

1,000,000 1st week sales of GaGa (with the $0.99 deal) are NOT the equivalent
of an artist 10 years ago with 1,000,000 sales. At this rate, Gaga will
outsell Celine Dion, Madonna, Mariah Carey in 10 years if she makes deals
like these. Michael Jackson has rolled around in his grave, because his TOP
selling album status may be ruined by your ignorant, silly and inappropriate
policy.

You have to take into consideration that when artists like The Beatles,
Whitney Houston, Eminem, Britney Spears, Usher, Shania Twain, Taylor Swift,
50 Cent, Norah Jones.. and all of the other artists who have has first week
impacts over over 1,000,000 unit sales to consumers that there was NO SPECIAL
DISCOUNTED PROMOTION for them. It's almost as if Gaga's taking advantage of
the rules that have been set by the powers-that-be. This is why you have a
lot of angry fans on your hands, especially Britney Spears & Eminem fans. You
have someone who made a thunderous boom onto the music scene and left her
mark with one of the highest debuts ever. That title is in danger of being
stripped or lessoned because for two days (or even more) Amazon decided to
virtually give the album away. In a sense it is completely not fair.

At the end of the day selling a brand new album at 99 cents means fans can
afford to buy 100 copies for just under 100 bucks. IMAGINE 10,000 GAGA FANS
BUYS 100 COPIES EACH ==> 1,000,000 COPIES ALREADY That basically gives her
the #1 spot without her even trying to get it. Where is the pride in that?
f**king PATHETIC! Almost ANY artist with a brand new album selling at 99
cents could accomplish massive first week sales and a debut number one. Its
basically CHEATING.

The richest artist of the year (like GaGa) selling an album for $0.99 is the
same as an artist who started from scratch and can not afford all these
advertisments and plays things fair and sells an album for, let's say $9.99
?? I'm sorry but your policy is UNFAIR.


And if GaGa truly wanted to give her fans the "treat" if an album in a more
accessible way, she might as well leak her albums, and keep making money off
tours if that's the case, but it is CLEARLY not the case, for it is obvious
that the 1st week SALES is very important for GaGa and her team, and to make
such a drastic and DESPERATE change is sad. This 0.99 cents album is totally
ridiculous how a new artist with low budget is gonna compete with this kind
of "politics" a new artist cant sell his album at 0.99 cents, this is
basically so unfair to other artists that sold 1 million in a regular price

And a sign of Billboard's "go with the flow"and inconsiderate arrangements.
Both GaGa and Billboard will be remembered for this policy change, because it
minimizes the efforts and 1st week sales of many other artists who have
earned their legendary figures and 1st week debuts. Billboard is joining the
rest of the corporate-driven industry, where money talks. It is not artists
and untalented individuals who ruin art and music, it is policy changes and
last second behind-the-scenes decisions like yours who reduce legends' and
icons' status. The digital era is inevitible, and one must deal with it
rationally, not in biased methods of business making. Billboard has always
been a respectable chart, and has been losing the respect from critics and
even artists.

It's the fact that artists like Eminem, Usher, Shania Twain, 50 Cent, Norah
Jones, Britney Spears, Taylor Swift and others actually WORK hard to sell a
$12+ album to their fans which ends up breaking records and selling
1,000,000+ and in comes this desperate ass try from Gaga to sell her 99cent
album just to break the record. Yes, Gaga's album may be some-what good, but
it's the actually work we're talking about here and the fairness of it. Your
only asking for all this hate yourselves. So don't complain when people
attack you on Twitter.

The industry is CORRUPT and it's all about Payola $$$. I guess the record
industry isn't about quality anymore, but about how many records you can
break by virtually smashing albums down America's throat. Ah well. The
decline from first week to second will be another record that Gaga breaks...

Music politics is all this is. The media, Billboard included, are all
strapped in on the Gaga train and money or something that is of value for BB
is obviously being exchanged. The $.99cent sale of this album is nothing more
than a ploy from Team Gaga to get her to break records and join that
1+million first week debut list. That's all. It's ridiculous and desperate
for a debut week. With this I wish Beyonce would do the same thing, she
deserves it as well. So does Katy, Rihanna and so on. TRYING HARD desperately
selling her album for .99cents. With that price most artists could venture
into the 700k+-1+million stream. It's ridiculous and Billboard knows it. You
guys are always playing music politics.

Speaking about the situation with Britney's 5th studio album, Blackout. The
Eagles had a choice. They chose to sell that album exclusively to a store
that Billboard does not count AND has never counted for decades. They even
willingly signed an agreement stating they would not be counted toward the
regular Hot 200 album chart. So they change it last minute, for The Eagles?
That is what you call unfair. That is what you call unprofessional.To change
the rules of something that's been set for years and years and years,
basically since day one of the chart starting in 1945 just because one band
decided to not sell the album in a way where they would be counted, is not
fair at all. They had a choice, they made that choice. You don't change the
rules in the middle of a board game do you? Especially when the winner is
about to be announced!



PS: All companies that have distributors sell their products have contractual
terms for the price floor in which their product can be sold at or terms that
require negotiation for major promotional activities. This prevents the
original companies from losing brand value. In a normal sales transaction,
both Amazon and the record profit on a sale to a customer and in order for
both sides to forego that profit, there has to be an agreement on either side.

This means that Universal/Gaga is making a cut on the backside of the Cloud
Service and a payment for the loss of revenue/price differential. Universal
had to sign off on the promo plan and it likely included another check, on
top of their normal cut, given the magnitude of the event.

Not to mention Gaga was giving out FREE codes to people with Farmvillle to
download the digital album as well when they came to her cd signing the other
night.

FANS OF MANY ARTISTS ARE SPREADING THIS LETTER EVERYHWERE. WE HOPE YOU WILL
CONSIDER CAREFULLY AND WILL HAVE A GREAT DECISION (not counting those Amazon
0.99$ sales) FOR FAIRNESS.

THANKS & BEST REGARDS,

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→ knmtou:但老實說我覺得Amazon這樣促銷也不是GAGA的錯吧orz
推 herohoney:就不要到時候扣除這些0.99銷量之後還是超過100萬XDD
→ knmtou:揪竟這風波到底會怎麼落幕呢
推 herohoney:我覺得可以這樣啦 amazon賣出15張算累計一次 這樣感覺
→ herohoney:就比較公平了XDDDDDDD
推 billloung:ㄟ馬松又不是傻瓜，賣一張賠一張一定有底限的啦
→ billloung:他要賺的就是媒體曝光，已經達到目的
→ billloung:如果是這樣大家快去瘋狂下載，亞馬遜虧損幾億美金XD
→ knmtou:賣一張專輯損失12.87美金XD
→ badbad:為什麼要做這種落人口舌的事 GAGA的實力還需要做這些嗎?!
→ badbad:錯都在amazon~
推 billloung:這沒有對或錯，通路這麼做這是他的自由。卡卡和唱片公司
→ billloung:身為商品供應者，絕對不可能發生如此款待單一通路的情況
→ billloung:否則其他通路怎麼做生意 ? 亞馬遜也不可能無限量下載
→ billloung:亞馬遜的數字出來了嗎 ? 依照市場規麼推估，我猜可能
→ billloung:只有itune的 1/3甚至更低。
→ billloung:而且亞馬遜做這個行銷一定也會和唱片公司討論，然後唱片
→ billloung:公司也一定會將這個消息讓其他通路知道，但一定有個限量
→ billloung:保證，唱片公司也不可能讓亞馬遜無限上賣(就算他想虧)
→ knmtou:剛剛看BIBO的新聞，amazon第一天就賣了330K張...
→ knmtou:然後iTunes賣了104K
推 billloung:真是大手筆(讚 !)，廣告費五十萬美金
推 brooksmile:個人覺得不是gaga的錯吧 哈
推 icefishxx:根本不是gaga的錯 唱片公司該出面滅火了吧 而且就算
→ icefishxx:amazon不做促銷 這張專輯也一定是今年首週最賣的阿
推 guanghagrid:唱片公司要怎麼滅火，他們無法決定別人要不要賠錢賣啊
→ guanghagrid:只要唱片公司提供給各下載通路的條件是相同的，就不關
→ guanghagrid:他們的事了，亞馬遜想賠錢賣，唱片公司管不著吧...XD
推 recx:這就跟有個路人買了一百張然後丟到街上灑
→ recx:唱片公司也不能阻止他啊XDD
→ recx:我是同意billboard要慎重考慮這個事件的影響
→ recx:因為Amazon搞不好不只會搞一個歌手
→ recx:可是我很不喜歡"攏系gaga細勒蕭婆欸陰謀啦"的語氣XDD
推 seanleo0416:跟Gaga本人無關 但銷售量應該還是不採計比較好
推 liar1478:絕對是Amazon的問題 但是就是會影響到Gaga..
推 likeaprayer:我也贊成不算@@ 沒必要讓這張專輯背這種無辜罪名=3=
→ likeaprayer:即使扣掉amazon的通路目前回報的銷售也非常驚人
→ knmtou:http://0rz.tw/kl1gP http://0rz.tw/9qASK
→ knmtou:這裡有兩篇，一篇是Amazon會損失多少錢在這個促銷上
→ knmtou:一篇是對於這個促銷活動影響銷量的看法~
推 hankxtina:Gaga這時一定在想：雖然我有爽到，但干我屁事？幹嘛扯到
→ hankxtina:我啊？Orz
→ hankxtina:其實這一切都是Amazon的問題，明明就贏不了iTunes，還害
→ hankxtina:了Gaga！
推 recx:我希望不算 算了要是拿了冠軍又要被閒話...
推 likeaprayer:說實話Amazon恢復原價之後 很多人一定又跑回iTunes @@
推 puretd:算了只是會多更多爭議 又很容易讓人說話
→ recx:沒算拿冠軍很爽 沒算沒拿冠軍再加油 算下去拿不拿都被罵
→ knmtou:Amazon已經成功的炒熱話題了XD
→ tim2502:不是冠不冠軍的問題吧 本來就會冠軍 只是銷量衝到哪兒已
推 puretd:算了的話以後大家提到這張專輯的銷量都會記得有0.99的存在
推 recx:born this(0.99) way
→ puretd:寧願數字不要那麼恐怖也不要作落人口舌的事
→ knmtou:Nine This Way
推 billloung:Amazon已經損失了兩百多萬美金~真有錢~~XD
推 billloung:不過主筆似乎也認為亞馬遜這兩三百萬美金很值得
推 premiumGT:雖然這樣真的有失公平但寫陳情信的人也太閒...
推 puretd:不用寫信BB榜也會自己決定這件事
→ billloung:應該是會算在銷售，因為並不是唱片公司自己削價，而是通
→ billloung:路自行吸收，就把它看成亞馬遜一家公司買了五十萬張吧XD
推 hankxtina:所以很像是Amazon在消費Gaga！＠＠....................