[外絮] Dyrus S2賽後 AMA

[spring28892 (全家就是我家。)]

來源：http://ppt.cc/9-K9

簡單翻一下


But before we go into this let me throw it out there that I was fully aware
of what I was doing, every mistake, every pick, every action and I've learned
a lot from it. It's not everyday you get to play a championship tier team and
learn a lot from it. Much different then playing the usual NA teams or
sometimes EURO teams (even though we lose to euro teams a lot still)

在AMA開始前我必須聲明知道我完全意識到我在幹麻，包括每個錯誤，每個pick，每個動作

而我從這些東西學到很多。畢竟你不是每天都有機會跟冠軍級的隊伍對戰並從中學習

只能說(AZF)跟大多數NA和部分的eu隊伍差很多(雖然我們還是常輸給eu隊)

I will make no excuses of why we lost but I am here to provide my point of
view and to answer why did you do this dyrus? why did tsm do that? I at least
owe this much to the fans who have supported us all year long, or
bystanders/non-supporters alike.

我不會為輸掉了比賽找理由，但我將提出一些我的看法並回答你們

我到底在幹麻？

TSM為什麼要這樣打？

畢竟我欠長年支持我們的粉絲很多的交代

FAQ

1.How did you think you did? I lost my lane both games and built the wrong
items the 2nd game. I made multiple mistakes such as missing flash over big
wall top even though I knew I was getting ganked and lux was missing. IF I hit
this flash it would of been a good play of baiting 3 people top to waste stuff
on me, if it failed it was going to be a really really sad game, to get carried
by my teammates. (etc. there's at least 20 mistakes I can name for myself but
this is one of them that played a big part)

1.你覺得你打的怎樣？

我兩場比賽都輸掉對線而且第二場還買錯裝，我犯了很多錯誤，像是在明知道會被gank

而且lux已經消失了的情況下還閃現失敗。 如果我閃現成功的話，就可以引誘 3個人

到top並讓他們空手而歸，這樣反而會變成美技。因為失敗了所以比賽變的很讓人哀傷

導致我需要靠隊友carry我 (其實我大概至少有20個失誤但這是最嚴重的。


TL:DR I could of done way better, and in the end Shy was the better player,
I congratulate him and am proud to now be a fan of him.

給懶的看完的人：

我可以打的更好，而且Shy是比我更強的玩家，我恭喜他並以成為他的粉絲為榮

2.What was your thought process during picks and bans? We played with the idea
to play karthus or kat every game. We based our comp around it and it was
very strong the 2nd game.

2.你們選角時在幹麻？

我們每場比賽都想以死歌或凱特林娜為核心。

我們以他為中心組成隊伍而在第二場可以看出這組合相當強

A lot of you are probably think, Dyrus why counter pick yourself into Jayce?
The truth is Darius is not countered by Jayce, same for irelia. It heavily
depends on the jungle ganks/pressure and my ability to pull or his ability to
kite and judge/skillshot/ use abilities. I should of went movement speed or
health regen instead of flat 15 AD.
I also would of been perfectly fine if I flashed that big wall but I choked and
flashed on nothing and died to lux.
I also didn't tell oddone to not use exhaust, if he kept the exhaust after
jayce used flash we could of killed him with kill pressure but since he used
exhaust he got chunked for no reason, and it really upsetted me because I knew
it was going to be a long game.

你們很多人會想說，為啥Dyrus要選一個被好男人 counter的角色!

事實是，達瑞斯不是真的被傑西counter， 就像Irelia一樣。

真正的對線情況要看JG表現(gank/給予壓力)，還有我(達瑞斯)的拉跟對方(傑西)風箏技術

我真應該要用跑速跟回血符文而不該用AD符文的。

如果我flash沒失敗的話就很完美，但我失敗了而且還被lux殺了。

我也沒跟阿萬將軍說不要用掉虛弱，如果他留著虛弱，等傑西用掉flash後

我們就可以殺了他，但因為虛弱被用掉了所以阿萬就失去了壓制力

這讓我非常的難過，因為我知道比賽將會變的非常漫長


TL:DR I had a plan, it failed, Darius will lose to jayce 1v1 60% or more of the
time, but darius plays a great part in the 2v2 and will win 2v2 over jayce 90%
of the time if even. Since I was so far behind I decided to be ull tank and go
sunfire-> GA the most effective items I could buy for the moment to be useful
other then my E/ult.

給懶的看的人：

我有個計畫但失敗了。達瑞斯1v1的情況下有60%的機率會輸傑西但如果是2V2的話達瑞斯很

威而且有九成的機率會贏傑西。但自從我落後的情況下我決定要成為坦克，所以買了火斗

跟復活甲 (這是我那時可以買的最有效益的裝) 使我在 E跟大決以外還有點用

3.Our seriousness level.
Some people are probably thinking (m5+ a lot of others) NA teams come to put on
a show and not to win. This is not entirely false, the big flag thing, shirts,
wristbands was just extra. it showed up at the last minute and we thought it
would be cool.

※感謝版友指正

有些人大概認為我們NA隊伍只是想來參加Show而不是想贏的。這樣的說法其實有部分說對了

旗子啦、衣服啦、手環啦這些東西其實是多餘的。我們在最後一刻決定帶著他們出場，

因為我們覺得這樣會很酷

 When it came to planning we watched all of azubu frost's games
that we could watch for around 3-4 hours and we knew what they did every game.

當我們在賽前規劃時，我們看了所有的AZF的比賽，大概花了我們3-4小時

所以我們知道他們每場比賽都會作的事情。

One of the things was madlife wards for top always.

其中一個就是 madlife 會幫上路插眼

Our plan to kill him by sitting in the top brush was ruined the first game by
the pause and then after pausing we briefly looked over to the other team to
see if they looked at the minimap.

我們的計畫是蹲在上路草叢裡等他來殺，但在第一場時因為遊戲暫停而毀滅了

在暫停後我們偷喵了一下對手並想知道他們有沒有注意到小地圖

They did so our plan was ruined, after much debate we tried it again but we got
checked by jayce which would of happened either way but it was just a bummer
that was instant first blood if we didnt get hit by jayce orb.

他們看了，所以我們的計畫掰了，經過討論我們決定在蹲一次草叢，但傑西用光球撿查了

草叢，如果當時我們沒有被發現的話，將會馬上拿到FB。

We didn't come out to put a show, we came out to win, I don't care what anyone
says on these forums or their own personal blogs, we gave it our all during the
last months. I can't say that for before since we played other games, didn't
scrim 24/7.

我們不是來參加show的，我們是來贏的，我不在乎其他人在論壇或自己的blog怎麼說，我

們上個月全心全意在為S2 Finals練習。但在更之前的時候我們有有玩其他遊戲，並沒有

24小時都在scrim。

We have never put so much time into planning, we knew frost almost inside out,
but in the end if I were to judge each player this is my conclusion.

我們從沒花過那麼多時間在計畫戰術，我們都知道AZF非常傑出

但在最後如果要我評論其他選手

以下的是我的結論

Top Lane: Game 1 and 2 : Shy beat me overall basically in every category. I
wish I had more chances to play against players like him since I can just get
away with things against other players.

上路

Shy不管在那方面都打爆我了，我希望我有更多的機會可以跟像他一樣的選手對決

這樣我才能從中學習他們的技術


Mid Lane: Game 1 and 2: Reginald was more useful overall as a middle player.
This is a given because he's Karthus and did his job very well. He made very
few mistakes and I'm saying 1 or 2. Like buying two needless rods (from what I
remember) by no means losing this series was his fault if anything it was
the least.

中路

Regi整體來說還是玩中路比較強，我會這樣說是因為他的死歌把工作做的很好，他失誤

很少，要我來說的話大概只有一兩個。像是買了兩個沒用的1600大棒棒

但至少輸掉比賽絕不是他的錯

Bot Lane: Game 1: Chaox and Xpecial They zoned bot with ezreal sona the entire
game and were way ahead. Game 2: Was more of a team game other then these two.
For everything else I can't say much cause I didn't pay much more attention
other then to the usual mistakes like chaox getting caught out bot, or me
messing up wards top and facechecking a brush I already knew the enemy jungler
was in.

下路

第一場：Chaox跟Xpecial 整場遊戲用ez+sona zone out對面並保持領先

第二場：與其說是下路對決，倒比較像是團戰，我沒什麼好說的因為我並沒有花精神注意

除了常見的錯誤像是chaox在下路被抓，或是我明知到對面JG在草叢裡還facecheck


Jungle: The Jungles performance depends heavily on the team so basically who
wins the game usually wins the jungle. Since we lost both games There's not
much oddone can do other then to either pick different champions or minimizing
mistakes.

將狗：JG的表現相當依賴團隊其他人，所以贏得比賽的隊伍通常Jungle也是贏的。

因為我們兩場比賽都輸了，所以阿萬其實沒什麼可以做的，除了換個英雄或是儘量別犯錯


TL:DR if we won oddone would of won the jungle conclusion, if we lost then he
lost the jungle.

給懶的看的人：

如果我們贏了那阿萬大概也贏得Jungle，如果我們輸了他Jungle也會輸


In the end opinion: We win as a team, lose as a team. If we were to blame
individuals I fully recognize that I was indeed the heaviest member of the
team.

最後的意見：我們是團隊，贏的時候共享榮耀，輸的時候一起承擔。如果真的要抓個戰犯

那就是我了。

I'm sorry I've let you all down and I will learn Irelia for season 3 and much
more. I will not stick to 20 different champions but only 3-4 that are the
strongest in today's meta.

我很抱歉讓你們失望，而我將會學著使用Irelia及其他英雄以在S3使用。

我不會練20個新的不同的英雄，而是專注於3-4個當下meta最強的角色。

Look forward to a very strong season 3 from me, my motivation and excitement
has been reborn through playing such great opponents. I wish this the best to
azubu frost so I can say we lost to the 1st place team, and so we can look for
our revenge to the azubu organization frost and blaze alike in the future.

我很期待有個非常強大的S3，因為有這些強大的對手，使我的動機跟激情重新燃起

我祝azf能有很好的表現，這樣我就可以說我們是輸給了冠軍隊伍，而我們也將在未來對

AZUBU集團(frost 跟 blaze)進行復仇。

I will be cheering azubu frost tomorrow in the audience to come find me if you
wish to have a autograph/picture/hugs.

我明天將會在觀眾區幫AZF加油，所以如果你們想要簽名/拍照/擁抱就來找我吧。

--
"How many demons have you slain, stranger?"
Sar asked, lowering his massive sword.
"One so far," Nellin replied, and grinned.
"But it was a really, really big one."
                               -- Demon Slayer, the Void Hero


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推 SASHIKEME   :睡神QAQ             (看看NA的jiji還在自我感覺良好
推 ssd123698745:大推睡神的風度
推 yachien04   :比CLG的老查跟雞雞好多了
推 w8a82k75566 :第二場的錯誤就是沒有持續快推
推 nerv3890    :大推 相比jiji之類Chaox的之類的 這種態度令人激賞
→ yachien04   :他們運氣好 在紫方無法發揮 正常打會贏
推 MikeGarcia  :旗子手環那段可能是說這個想法在在最後一刻才出現
→ smallcoll   :我不覺得能和jiji比，dyrus是完全被打爆
→ MikeGarcia  :而且應該會很酷    猜的
推 kaiDX       :推睡神
推 minche      :推風度  另外Chaox也沒有怎樣啊他也只是說待會要開趴
推 robinroy2003:推Dyrus
→ smallcoll   :jiji可是作的還算不錯......
推 bewritten   :風度啊你各位
→ minche      :在阿萬的底下他有說自己sucks... 不然是要哭哭嗎= =
→ smallcoll   :clg會輸又不是因為jiji被打爆，拿來比這個，科科
推 gn02118620  :睡神這樣的說法才有pro的味道
推 spf6127     :推睡神
→ gn02118620  :clg喔..這次jiji打不錯啦...但jiji就跟球Z尬獸一樣
推 nerv3890    :我推錯 是Chauster not Chaox...qq
推 kaneggyy    :當初輸給Azubu  Blaze的時候睡神不是就說燃起熱情了
→ wblij       :結果選達瑞斯目的在 bait 傑西  只是失敗了
推 r51303      :大推睡神風度 不過依靠JG 這個...恩@@60% 1v1 loss..
→ smallcoll   :還有你看吧dyrus果然說不是真的被counter
→ kaneggyy    :怎麼現在又燃起一次...XD
→ smallcoll   :他guide都亂寫嘛 XDDDDDDDDDDDD
推 iljapan61   :Dyrus這篇文太猛了QAQ
推 lisanna20   :國旗那段應該是說"他們並不是準備來秀的，而是臨時起
→ r51303      :代表1v1 只有40%贏的機會...恩...只能說戰術失敗了
→ lisanna20   :意覺得這很酷所以拿上台
推 Torscana    :推Dyrus看事情的角度與高度
→ lisanna20   :這並非他們事先就預定做的事情 總之就是臨時起意的
重心推了一次，覺得這樣比較順一點

推 Istari      :CHAUSTER:我們會輸是因為我們都在紫方
→ aimgel      :第二場沒持續加壓實在太可惜，不然應該會贏
→ gn02118620  :反正他押贏了人們就說睡神藏招guide亂血 押輸就說dy
→ gn02118620  :rus亂pick.
推 potionx     :照這說法40%，然後加上選手強弱就...
→ spring28892 :可是dyrus的olaf guide真的亂寫阿 XDDDD
推 kiyoe       :ALEX: ...
推 teletubby   :1那裡應該是以成為他的粉絲為榮吧
少看了一個now @@

→ smallcoll   :gn02118620是來亂的嗎 LOL
→ smallcoll   :dyrus自己先說過西米選darius打jayce是很不智的
→ smallcoll   :然後又選來打，當然被大家質疑啊
→ smallcoll   :你以為鄉民都隨便炮啊 LOLLOLOL
※ 編輯: spring28892     來自: 114.32.8.27          (10/06 13:15)
推 wblij       :不過 SV 太愛農  這種輸線 bait 法無法用
推 Acrono      :偶像Dyrus!!!推
※ 編輯: spring28892     來自: 114.32.8.27          (10/06 13:15)
推 jazye       :DYRUS讚
推 ahinetn123  :我們輸只是iG運氣好
推 chicken035  :讚
推 ZkNight     :下面AMA也蠻好笑的 無聊可以看看
推 nerv2015    :推翻譯~睡神不找借口也推
推 kullan      :睡神的檢討真的狠中肯
推 ourear      :推睡神~~TSM就只喜歡他~~
推 tuiry       :一直很喜歡睡神，從一開始昏昏欲睡到紅袍加身都很棒
推 no321       :推睡神的檢討文 某支CLG隊伍真的該檢討一下了
→ tuiry       :即使綜藝化睡神也不會像HSGG那種討人厭,反而很可愛XD
→ ahinetn123  :但是在家傻等砲車的Lulu很可愛阿 雖然是老查駕駛>_<
推 misaki030   :推
推 chincarol   :推~~~~
推 sakon       :睡神風度另人敬佩啊
推 bbsjr       :Regi那段是說他第二場買了兩個1600魔棒，不是時光
→ sakon       :令人*
推 lisanna20   :粉絲在s2賽前畫給睡神的 http://imgur.com/a/gxBeH
→ bbsjr       :我看比賽時看到整個就感覺禍不單行
Thx

推 eric52015516:偶像輸了Q_Q
推 eist        :推風度 難怪這麼多人喜歡<3
→ minoru04    :腳腳
推 yachien04   :DL說他沒預測到TPA贏 有人問他那你有預測到自己輸嗎
→ yachien04   :他也滿有風度的回有 而且TSM比他們更好
推 imymeyou    :推風度!! DYRUS是我學習的TOP對象!! 加油
推 FrienDx     :大推Dyrus和OddOne !
推 tuanj       :Dyrus態度真的很不錯
推 KISSFORMISS :睡神加油!!!!!!!
推 DKGodman    :睡神會承認自己是戰犯 其他又有多少選手會這樣做
推 K60258      :連一般身邊的人都拉不下臉承認戰犯了
推 apley       :這才是真的檢討文
推 Murasaki0110:nice
推 KuRed       :推 加油吧
推 thedeathhero:阿萬跟睡神都承認得太乾脆了 身為粉粉我真的好想哭..
推 iamnodoubt  :加油
推 kaichuan    :態度極優!
推 shryuhuai   :睡神加入對TSM幫助很大，如果現在還是TRM的話......
→ evildark    :TRM是戰術層面無法配合  TRM離開的時候比胖虎阿萬穩
推 sawaman     :風度GOOD
推 tp950016    :睡神和阿萬加油!!!!
噓 thinkDie    :不管 對方P1就選了Jayce 你p5選一個Darius
→ thinkDie    :Darius前期沒表現  你後期出一堆坦裝不過是彌補之前
→ thinkDie    :的錯
→ violing613  :睡神意思是明知被counter也為了隊形硬上吧
推 jackals60   :thinkdie讓我感覺是3000+
→ jackals60   :贏了就是神表現神技術，輸了就是唯一，錯。    ㄎㄎ
推 poiuy66887  :Darius QQ我不想看S2了
推 bbsjr       :Dyrus有一個回應解釋master champions的意思
→ bbsjr       :Froggen's Anivia
推 isaac534643 :推睡神風度
推 kimo6414    :比賽被對方打爆 氣度上打爆AZF
→ wulonglue   :s3 還要多久 ...
推 choosin     :推推 Dyrus加油～～
推 rock9527    :推風度
推 oak2002     :翻譯怪怪的 他不是說他欠粉絲很多 他是說他欠一個交
→ oak2002     :代
推 solo0724    :S2結束 換IEM巡迴賽@@?
推 vinsanity25 :推
→ spring28892 :to oak2002 那句話我沒講完 因為我覺得應該看的懂
推 marcoyao    :睡神再接再厲
推 cat0405     :睡神 QAQ
※ 編輯: spring28892     來自: 114.32.8.27          (10/06 16:35)
推 satan317    :推
推 divinity47  :淚推Dyrus，TSM我愛你們
噓 keroro01    :假種子  根本就該多讓一個位給亞洲或歐洲
推 reich719    :開賽前 你是這麼想的嗎? Keror大? XDDDDDDD
噓 theonegi    :噓keror 假不假也不是讓你來這邊講的zzzzzzzz
→ theonegi    :人家賽後態度很好 展望第三季 你在這邊不知所云什麼?