[閒聊] jiji對兩場敗場的看法

[king20031114 (GOD~~)]

Some run downs of our 2 games today, and improvements to be made (that i
remember of still off top of my head)

game 1:
-Top got ganked due to first ward failure and snowballed pretty hard
-hotshot devote too much resources to top when we planned to do other things
@ mid/bot/invades (and they ended up being too obvious too, so enemy jungler
always counters, and they even die for it once and gave karthus much free
gold)
-as always there are points where i shouldve pushed more advantages when i
had the upperhand in mana/creepwave position. which in a lot of situations i
had, and already out cs him or match, but his karthus and i shouldve
attempted to make a dive here and there.
-doublelift didnt buy frozenheart (really important) fast enough and tunneled
on more damage when all we need is to survive and we WILL do more damage
-We split randomly when grouping and having face offs few times and costed
here and there
-at a fairly decent early dragon fight hotshot and chauster bloodlust and
initiated 1~2seconds too early and caused a 1 for 3 bad teamfight for us
-we should have attempted to fight earlier and not let the game drag long
when we have a early/midgame team comp vs their late game teamcomp
-i got split off during a chase down and as a team we reacted poorly and i
bloodlusted for sivir and got egged too fast in unfavorable position
-jax became an unstoppable force. :<

game 2:
-i pressured anivia in extremely hard and i shouldve lead hotshot and roam
together to make a play. (dive mid or dive anywhere to force objectives, or
invade jungle. at some point i 1v2ed skarner anivia and they got fucked, but
we didnt make anything happen out of it.) (this is really important and we
must practice to do as a team (mostly me and hotshot) as much as possible and
is what will win us games
-*probably most important thing we need to improve on that can SWING games*
hotshot is not as experienced as saint or any old jungler that is good at
making these plans, and what we used to do is saint makes these possible
calls, so i think i need to really start practicing these with hotshot
-olaf was doing excellent vs jax, and game was going smooth, a big turning
point happened right after when we had the pressure everywhere. my body slam
bugs out on anivia wall and i die for free with jax ganking (that i wouldve
survived 100% if not for the bug and wasted a LOT of their time for the jax
who is already behind.)
-body slam bug gets me killed and lose all my momentum, gets hotshot killed
top and he loses his oracles, AND we lose top tower.---> this is major
turning point that lost us all momentum and pressure everywhere
-doublelift randomly died 5 seconds after chauster told him to becareful and
back but he didnt listen fast enough
-we roam around 2nd major turning point is when we got split AGAIN and gave
up free baron, by this time game is really really fucked~!

Both games goldwise/cswise/objectivewise we are all pretty much even vs them,
but the errors that causes the momentum loss and gave them momentum is what
swings the game for both these 2 games really fast


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第一場

第一個眼的失敗，hs浪費太多時間在上路，DL太晚出冰心，一推不好的團戰造成失敗


第二場

嘗試給冰鳥壓力。
hs不像那些有經驗的jungler。

我只看幾個關鍵詞 沒有全翻 有漏什麼在請各位翻譯 感謝

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→ peelgates   :要換HS了嗎
推 evilisnear  :hsgg沒表現 :(
→ lpllpllpl   :果然JG是僅次於SUP的第二戰犯 XDD
→ minoru04    :不是都先上路自盡再換JG自盡嗎?
推 hydra6716   :我幫忙總結 : HS自盡
→ z83420123   :HS不是號稱10MIN後就不知道他是上路還是JG了XDDDDDD
推 Deconation  :HS:別再鞭了 臉腫的消不下來了 XDDDDDDDDDD
→ hahn        :假jg真農兵!
→ ssccg       :第2場他是說他mid有優勢的時候他應該跟hs去做點事
推 ssd123698745:老查:DL這就是不聽我命令的下場
→ ssccg       :hs不像sv會call，所以這點配合上他們兩個需要練習
→ king20031114:我沒有很認真看第二場的XD 感謝你~
→ Loj         :JiJi 指揮的動 HS 嗎? -.-
推 dreamwing11 :jiji已經退化到他中路單殺人 會讓隊友震驚 = =
推 ourear      :Jiji第2場沒有利用到酒桶的高機動.很可惜
→ king20031114:jiji又不call @@
推 Deconation  :聽說JIJI跟DL 都是比較少說話的 大部分CALL都其他人@
推 tp950016    :現在的Caller是老查?
推 omanorboyo  :簡譯:HSBB太弱
→ king20031114:不是聽說 JIJI幾乎不講話 = =
推 dreamwing11 :讓DL call也太恐怖了 要全隊一起facecheck
推 hasroten    :JIJI還是比較適合偏濃的腳色吧
→ scott771128 :第二場JiJi大部分都待在中路農 = =..
→ keepoo      :jiji負責傻笑+被砲+玩貓貓
→ Deconation  :NA隊要打戰術 JIJI不講話 很難打吧..中路很重要耶QQ
推 pz2001      :少了sv..真的差這麼多..
推 lisanna20   :如果HS這麼快就能表現亮眼 其他專職jungler情何以堪
→ keepoo      :主要是SV還是主call　這點蠻關鍵的
→ scott771128 :我覺得jg固然有問題,但是第二場中路一直農也有問題
推 Murasaki0110:簡單來說 沒了sv hs也做不出好的call 所以他只能農
→ kerkerson   :那還不簡單SV回來打將狗 踢掉jiji換hsgg打中路
推 Deconation  :JIJI為什麼都不CALL?? 是因為害羞嗎=///=
推 snowenvoy   :Hotshot的jungle區只有上路那一塊吧= =
推 kk032576    :看起像完全說hs的問題:<
→ keepoo      :HS中路不就那幾隻...會被ban光吧
推 steve11631  :HS跟VB的配合也是滿大的問題 這兩場都HS一直想gank
→ steve11631  :VB都推掉了XD
推 deity20270  :HS幾乎都只camp top ...
→ tp950016    :結果HS中路一樣爆炸 然後SV為了中路 沒時間去上路
→ tp950016    :上路一直爆炸 所以踢掉VB找回jiji 回復原本組合(誤
噓 lafayee     :講一堆藉口 快回家開實況賺錢吧 歐 你不是ALEX ICH
推 Deconation  :t大這什麼超展開XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
→ scott771128 :其實也沒必要噓啦,第一場我是後面開始看
→ scott771128 :第一場後面jiji團戰打的還不錯
推 gunlinuu    :JIJI man
推 Deconation  :JIJI兩場有幾個走位失誤很糟糕 讓人有點憂心QQ
推 dreamwing11 :jiji團戰一直都很穩 只是他對線真的太怕失誤了
→ dreamwing11 :感覺他比賽的侵略度連solo Q的一半都沒有
推 ssd123698745:其實這篇講很多 不是只有講哈下
→ hydra6716   :jiji這兩場團戰可沒有 一直都很穩 好嗎
→ hydra6716   :anivia的穩定性超糟糕
→ dreamwing11 :我今天沒看
推 ANOTHERK    :hs: jg很簡單
→ dreamwing11 :如果他連團戰都不穩就... 無解 = =
推 Deconation  :將狗方知將狗苦 哈下應該體會深刻(?)
推 frank123ya  :HS: JG簡單 都是線上的錯
→ WarIII      :HS很會出主意 但是以前讓主意實現的是SV
→ WarIII      :所以HS沒有辦法把主意用Call表達給讓隊友完成的能力
→ WarIII      :簡單來說還是默契問題 各做各的 失誤慢慢累積
推 tony6514    :翻譯太簡略了吧.... jiji不是全怪別人 兩場都有指出
→ tony6514    :自己沒做好的地方   雖然hotshotgg 真的打不太好
→ king20031114:我只是簡單翻翻而已 真抱歉QQ
→ Hanniba     :是我英文太差嗎 game1 是指對方沒魔推吧？
※ 編輯: king20031114    來自: 111.240.94.70        (08/11 01:03)
推 wl3532      :哈下：I think JG is easy
→ fewhy       :以前對線的時候HS也不會有太多主意吧....
→ Hanniba     :總結就是經濟差不多，但失誤多了點
→ fewhy       :Top lane應該不會去管到JG要不要去gank別路@_@
→ WarIII      :原文是說making these plans 很會想點子的意思
→ WarIII      :然後SV是makes these possible calls
→ fewhy       :不過我比較認同的是game2是從jiji撞牆開始炸的
→ Hanniba     :hs比較new 所以比較容易實行跟jiji配合gank/dive/etc
→ Hanniba     :的計劃
推 sunny1991225:我覺得CLG Prime需要X Hazzard(沒記錯ID的話)回來
推 hasroten    :VB跟Wickd不知道從何開始都無法給人安心感
→ hasroten    :之前的代打哥雖然表現不錯 但也是HS camp上路的結果
→ tp950016    :兩個都是經常被Camp到爆炸的:<
推 sunny1991225:X Hazzard很強......不只是HS Camp啊
→ sunny1991225:他對整個團隊做出的貢獻比近期VB任何一場都明顯.....
→ frankie30432:以前是wickd威武 現在是wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiickd
→ hasroten    :VB在OGN前面也有幾場打得不錯的
→ sunny1991225:VB的不錯是建立在選手個人表現上
→ sunny1991225:這點我到現在都還是堅持
→ sunny1991225:我覺得X Hazzard之前在CLG代打那段時間是NA近期打的
→ sunny1991225:最像一個團隊的一次
→ WarIII      :VB自己的工作基本上都OK 最多就是跟WICKD一樣容易被
→ WarIII      :GANK VB在CLG本來就是等指令的角色 最菜的不都這樣XD
推 tp950016    :睡神表示:
→ hasroten    :         TopSaveMid
推 damnedfish  :他說沒一個好的施令者很對，NA的會戰行動經常不統一
推 wl3532      :多頭馬車
推 Blitzcrank  :今天兩場caller問題太明顯...這很麻煩....
推 max0113     :讓DL去call一定超好笑
推 mark0912n   :DL:那個HSGG 用臉去探那個草叢