Re: [閒聊] Doublelift SHAMEFUR AMA

[donvito (CryFather)]

Q:
You guys played so well in the first BO3 vs. TSM, what happened in the second
one? Was fatigue part of the reason you lost?

對上TSM的第一個BO3你們打得很好，可是第二個是怎樣? 是因為你們太累了?

DL:
We lost because Vlad is overpowered, because we picked poorly to deal with
double AP, and mostly because we played like absolute shit. The biggest thing
is always play and never picks. Picks can always be changed but the mindset
of when you're playing takes a lot of time to fix. We just weren't thinking
right when we were playing and every game the solo lanes and jungle gave up
kills for free.

DL:吸血鬼 is OP ! 我們對付雙AP的選角失敗，不過重點是我們打的超爛。
   其實玩法才是重點，而非選角。選角隨時可以變換，但是對遊戲的理解要花很多
   時間才能改正。我們當時想錯了，而且單人線一直被爽爽殺。

Q:
Did you think that the ashe pick fucked you up in that game 3? If so did you
consider banning her in the last game? Did you know Chaox was practicing Ashe
pre IPL?

你覺得G3的時候有被Ashe婊到嗎? 如果是，那你G4有沒有想ban她? 你知道
Choax前陣子一直在練Ashe嗎?

DL:
This is going to sound like just idle trashtalk, but I think even I play a
better Ashe than Chaox, and I would never be comfortable picking her in a
tournament setting. Ashe had nothing to do with why they won

DL:雖然聽起來很垃圾話......不過我覺得就算我的Ashe玩得比他好，我都不會想
   在比賽時候選Ashe了，選Ashe感覺不蘇胡...總之Ashe不是他們贏的原因。

Q:
Why did Saint jungle Shyvanna after saying everything she does Mundo does
better. I really liked your Vayne why didn't you pick her every match?

為什麼SV說蒙多各方面都比龍女好，但還是每場都選她? 我超喜歡你玩汎，幹嘛
不每場都用?

DL:
Saint actually has a limited champion pool that he's comfortable with (every
player in the pro scene has this), and we tunnel hard on a few junglers. I
think at IPL, it was Mundo, Shyvana, Udyr, and Lee Sin. After the first few
games where Saint almost threw the game multiple times on Lee Sin, we decided
to stick with the other 3.
Mundo was generally picked by the enemy team before we could pick our
jungler, and with Udyr banned, we could only react with Shyvana

DL:其實SV用起來爽的英雄不多(大部分高端都是這樣)，而我們在IPL能用的大概是蒙多
   、龍女、嗚迪爾、李星。頭幾場比賽SV用李星差點搞砸，所以我們決定用前三個。
   蒙多都被對面選走，嗚迪爾ban掉，所以只剩龍女了。

Q:Thoughts on Kog'maw being picked so much during IPL?

對於摳個毛在這次IPL出場率很高有什麼感想?

DL:
In Hanover Corki was the popular pick, so I would assume that because Kog has
an advantaged matchup against Corki, Kog was a more popular pick in reaction
to the Corki explosion, but I'm not sure

DL:上次IEM總決賽庫奇很夯，所以我猜這次很多摳個毛是選來打庫奇。不過我不太確定。

Q:Will Hotshot and Chauster be switching roles now?

HSGG跟老查有可能換位子嗎?

DL:It's a possibility for sure   ← !!!

DL:當然是有這種可能性。

Q:Which AD carry (player) did you have most trouble laning against at IPL4?

這次IPL哪個AD玩家讓你覺得對線最頭痛?

DL:
I actually had the most trouble against Imaqtpie, but overall had no problems
laning against any bottom lane because they're so far behind the Korean bot
lanes.

DL:打qtpie最麻煩，不過總括來說都不算有問題，因為泡菜下路比他們強多了。

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→ fleeaaa     :跟我想的一樣啊
→ donvito     :我只翻了上篇選出來的問題 其他就去reddit看唄
推 lisanna20   :PTT一直連不上來 一上來就有好心大大幫忙翻好了XD
※ 編輯: donvito         來自: 1.169.133.218        (04/11 03:02)
→ shiinalingo :第二題的答覆翻譯有點問題
→ donvito     :yes?
→ donkey5566  :team was on heavy tilt from losing the first game
→ donkey5566  :這句話怎麼翻比較好?
→ shiinalingo :他應該是說，就算他Ashe玩得比Chaox好，他也不會
→ shiinalingo :考慮在比賽中選她
→ donvito     :輸了第一場之後我們有些爭執
→ donkey5566  :我覺得DL的意思很明顯是說他Ashe玩得比Chaox好
→ donvito     :我會這樣翻是因為中間有個and
→ donkey5566  :難怪他們G4的時候有點怪怪的~_~  CLG振作啊...
→ shiinalingo :原來如此
推 shiinalingo :但我會覺得怪怪的是因為他在AMA的另一個回覆這樣說：
→ shiinalingo :Ashe just isn't a champion I can play well.
→ shiinalingo :She's not lane dominant, she's picked purely for
→ shiinalingo :her utility, and I don't have the game sense to
→ shiinalingo :know exactly when to arrow.
→ lisanna20   :i think EVEN i play a better ashe than choax
→ lisanna20   :應該是shi大說的那樣才對(?)
推 rabbitpei   :我也覺得應該是像shi大說的那樣,even是重點XD
推 Murasaki0110:就是他覺得chaox玩得比他還爛啊
推 hardyuse    :那場應該是敗在olaf上路大輸吸血鬼
→ lisanna20   :我還是別糾結在這上面好了..頭都暈了QQ
我想了一下好像推文說的是對的XDD
※ 編輯: donvito         來自: 1.169.133.218        (04/11 03:35)
推 howdie5566  :Ahse是拿來COUNTER龍女的吧 吃虧一點也是合情合理
推 ailanous    :說是說ASHE很糟啦 但是如果是其他AD的話...
→ ailanous    :SV的龍女就不至於被單抓後黏死兩次 兩次都造成重傷害
→ ailanous    :如果是其他AD的話除非隨時有虛弱 不然應該無法像艾希
→ ailanous    :那樣直接黏到死
→ ailanous    :所以個人覺得DL這題答的其實有點意氣用事
→ ailanous    :因為SV被單抓兩次的確影響了整體結果 即使HS當時...
他在另一個問題答說 Ashe在對線期弱勢，選她純粹是要緩+大冰箭，所以他比賽不會用

我猜這題會這樣回答可能是因為他對線期的確打爆Ashe，而他覺得Chaox的大冰箭
沒有特別神，所以關鍵點不是在Ashe上。
※ 編輯: donvito         來自: 1.169.133.218        (04/11 03:57)
→ ailanous    :已經被抓的很慘了 不過ASHE哪兩次單抓的確有影響
→ nifocy      :歐洲玩艾希 大決時機好 又準 但是CHAOX沒玩出那樣
→ lisanna20   :其實也不能全怪chaox 畢竟山怪們有好幾次神閃現
→ lisanna20   :他的箭已經算很神了 只是山怪們的反應更神就是了
推 Hylun       :我覺得Chaox的風格還是比較偏保守...
推 octopus1991 :我覺得現在比賽都玩三抓的 JG有點像上路SUP
→ octopus1991 :吃了紅和藍 就到上路一直關照
→ octopus1991 :中路一件大裝後 開始瘋狂3抓塔莎
→ hydra6716   :以DL在對線期的個人技術，選"絕對"只能被動的ashe
→ hydra6716   :怎麼看都有點虧阿。
推 a2364983    :Korean bot有這麼強!?
推 drummers    :韓國soloq團戰有點微妙 可是就sv跟jiji的實況來說
→ drummers    :反應跟速度都很誇張 =_=
推 potionx     :HSGG跟老查有可能換位子...WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
推 ADRIAN0907  :不知道Chaox聽到會有什麼反應XD
推 shadowkai   :目前CHAOX對DL悲劇居多 DL這樣說不太意外..
推 solo0724    :Chaox 對線真的死蠻大的
→ Blitzcrank  :韓國AD蠻強的
推 AceID       :第一段最後是說單人線被爽爽殺嗎？
→ AceID       :應該是在偷表SV都不gank的意思吧？
推 sw926301    :tsm 對線 跟會戰 很像不同人玩的...
→ imbturtle   :看過老查的李興真的會覺得SV的很弱
→ thewid      :看過SV的李星真的會覺得老查還好
→ thewid      :一個是打soloq 一個是比賽 最好可以比啦
→ thewid      :sv李星還不是殺暴soloq
推 TWemperor   :VOYBOY表示:
→ thewid      :他說的是jungle lee sin
推 flycatty    :shii翻的才對  原po亂翻會害死人zz
推 catera      :我覺得原PO是對的耶 如果的話是even if吧
推 madeinheaven:DL之前在韓服天梯玩汎被韓國人殺爆...
→ doorsky     :shi才對 編輯一下吧
我已經改成推文說的版本啦

推 flycatty    :就文法上原po比較對  但看整段文shi翻的比較順
→ NinJa       :原PO語意就翻錯了 還文法上比較對...
推 calpisdrink :先謝翻譯 關於大魔王vlad 老查表示 他有說要ban 無奈
→ calpisdrink :隊伍不理他 lol #1FW-n86h這篇有連結 我殘破的英文
→ calpisdrink :少數幾題有看懂的XDDDDDD Chaox的Ashe確實威脅不大
→ calpisdrink :被Vald和回穩的胖虎整死的 我覺得
→ calpisdrink :老查問答那篇也不錯 看懂的幾題中 他說MVP是jiji!
推 tuiry       :DL有回說 老查的艾希比他好多了 搞不好下次會出(?
※ 編輯: donvito         來自: 111.243.158.246      (04/11 13:08)
※ 編輯: donvito         來自: 111.243.158.246      (04/11 13:17)