Re: [外絮] Toyz/Stanley 專訪

[juicylove (juicy)]

※ 引述《epephanylo (Sinchin)》之銘言：
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: It's been a rough couple months for fans of Season 2 World Champions team,
: Taipei Assassins. With Mid Laner and team captain Toyz announcing his and
: Top Laner Stanley's retirement from the team, former AD Carry and interim
: captain Bebeisadog is the sole remaining member of the prestigious Season
: 2 roster. We talked to Toyz and Stanley about the recent developments.

對S2冠軍TPA的粉絲來說, 這是相當艱難的幾個月
隨著Toyz跟Stanley的離隊, Bebe是唯一僅存的前冠軍隊員
我們跟Toyz和Stanley聊聊最近的發展


: The roster attrition started at the very cusp of Season 3 as founding member
: and former team captain MiSTakE took substitute Mid Laner NeXAbc and substi-
: tute Support Colalin with him to establish sister team Taipei Snipers, who
: recently topped the Taiwan eSports League. Former member Lilballz has since
: been demoted to substitute, and is currently replaced in the jungle by Sars-
: ky. TPA fell short of expectations at IPL 5 and struggled in the Garena Pre-
: mier League, but the roster changes shocked the community.

隊伍變動是從Mistake等人到TPS開始的
球Z變成替補並被Sarsky取代
TPA經過了IPL5的小失望到GPL的困境
然而,最震憾的還是換人的事


: "I'm not planning to stay in the Taiwanese esports circle," said Stanley.
: "I'm planning to go to the US to study. I think I might start with an English
: learning school."
: Toyz, on the other hand, plans to stick around, but is as yet unsure of what
: capacity he'll fulfill.

Stanley: 我不打算留在台灣電競圈 , 計畫去美國讀書, 大概從語言學校開始
Toyz : 打算打混一陣子 還不確定之後的事

: But the big question is: why did TPA struggle so hard with the season's cha-
: nge? And to that, success itself might be the primary cause.
: "Being targeted [at IPL 5] was one of the reasons, but isn't the main one,"
: said Toyz. "I think, after we won Season 2, we had to deal with a lot of ext-
: ra things, other than practices, so we didn't adjust to the new meta."
: Stanley concurs. "The main reason is because we decreased our practice time
: by quite a lot," he said. "After we won Season 2 World Champions, we had a
: week of vacation and then endless media interviews."

但是有一個大問題是:  為何TPA會在S3遭遇如此挫敗?
對此, "成功" 大概是最大原因

TOYZ: 我們在IPL5被針對大概是個原因但並非主因
      我想, 在S2後我們必須去應付很多練習外的雜事, 以致無法適應新META

S   : 主因是我們減少了很多練習時間, 在S2後我們有一週的假但之後是無盡的訪問


: The day immediately after their victory on the world stage, every major newsp-
: aper on the island gave them the front page treatment.
: Changes to the metagame also affected their individual performance. "I did sp-
: end some time adjusting to Season 3," said Stanley. "In the beginning of the
: Season 3 patch, the most overpowered champions were Singed and Rumble. Singed
: isn't a champion I like to play -- and don't play well -- which gave me a lot
: of headaches. Rumble is a super OP champion, and no matter what, I had to lea-
: rn him. So I did, and afterward I didn't play him too badly."
: "I didn't adjust to the changes in mid lane at first," said Toyz. "But after
: approximately one month, I think I started doing pretty well. However, Lilbal-
: lz and Stanley had to completely change their styles, so it was going to be h-
: ard."

在奪冠後他們馬上受到台媒的熱情對待
META的改變也影響了他們個人表現

S: 我確實花時間適應, 在S3一開始最OP的是屁伯和藍寶
   但屁伯我不喜歡也玩不好, 藍寶是超OP所以我確實去學了 也玩得不差

T: 我一開始不習慣中路變化, 但一個月左右我想我玩得還不錯
   然而, 球Z跟Stanley必須完全改變風格, 所以很艱難

: But neither player looked to blame the otherwise major changes to the game. D-
: espite the setbacks it imposed on them personally, they apparently wouldn't h-
: ave it any other way.
: "I think changes to a game are a good thing -- a game must continue being fre-
: sh," said Stanley. "After every season there's a big change, and it lets play-
: ers who couldn't adjust to the play style get a chance to catch up. There are
:  changes to the game, but it isn't exaggerated. I think that's the best."
: Toyz also agrees. "This game's attraction and greatest feature is that the me-
: ta keeps on changing," he said, "and esports will be an environment for those
: who survive the new meta."

但沒有一個選手看似會去怪罪META的改變
雖然遇到挫折, 他們認為META改變是好事

S: 我認為改變對一個遊戲來說是好事, 一個遊戲必須是新鮮的
   每季後都有重大改變, 這可讓之前無法適應的玩家來追趕上來
   遊戲有些變化但又不會太誇張, 我想這是最好的

T也同意: 這遊戲最吸引人跟最棒的點就是在不停改變
         E-sporet是個誰能適應就能存活的環境


: But with that in mind, how is the team itself adapting to those changes? Thou-
: gh he's now moved to the AD Carry position, TPA's Dinter had come under heavy
: criticism by the Taiwanese community for a perceived lack of skill.
: "We don't want to mind what fans say, because I think he's a hard working pla-
: yer," said Toyz. But he added: "I believe his AD will be better than his Supp-
: ort."
: Though the future remains uncertain for the both of them, the one thing we do
: know is going to disappoint fans: Even if given the choice, the Season 2 Taip-
: ei Assassins won't be revived.
: Quoting an old Chinese proverb, Toyz explained: "A good horse never eats grass
:  he's eaten before."

但是, 隊伍要怎麼適應改變應?
即使皇己經移去打AD了 但因技術太差而受到台灣社群的巨大的批評

T: 我們不在乎粉絲說什麼, 因為我認為他是很認真的玩家
  (但又加了一句)  我相信他的AD會比他的SUP好

雖然他倆的未來還不太確定, 我們可以確定一件讓粉絲失望的事
不管怎樣 S2的TPA都回不去了

TOYZ用一句中國諺語來說:
"好馬不吃回頭草"

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→ vm4m06      :若在搭配上 Mistake fb的留言  "Dinter、Sarsky、
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