Re: [閒聊] 元素對這次RS出奇招的看法

[crane14712 (赫多)]

※ 引述《robo3456 (冽影)》之銘言：
: 原文:http://tinyurl.com/3o24tzr
: The Metas Falling, The Metas Falling!
: by Elementz on Monday, September 12th 2011 - 01:13 /
: RS HAS DESTROYED WHAT WE KNOW!
: Well as innovative as RS is let's go really into how viable Gangplank and
: Maokai are for support.

這場RS改變了我們對GP Maokai的認知

很難想像樹人跟船長竟然可以當support玩,花惹發.


: Gangplank - Now he is indeed innovative as a support and really isn't your
: typical support as we know. His kit actually works out quite well for a dual
: poke / harrasing lane combo like what RS did with the Cait + GP bottom lane.
: The lane control with traps combined with GP's Q's and Cait's Q's really
: makes for a very annoying, and very powerful lane combo as if you can't out
: heal the poke, you lose the lane.

這場遊戲裡GP+警長的組合在下路有出乎意料的表現

警長的陷阱限制了你的走位,同時GP+警長的Q 不斷地磨血

如果你沒有足夠的回血能力來抵抗它們，這條線就輸了.


: Gangplank can afford to play quite cocky in this lane combo as he can run
: full mana regen yellows and blues giving him almost unlimited mana allowing
: him to spam Q at almost every chance he's able too. Along with his W any CC
: thrown on him while spamming Q's on enemy champions allows him to self heal
: and get out those sticky situations. Cait really never needs to take damage
: if GP is always the one running up and Qing people and self healing. Cait can
: comfortably sit in the back and CS + Q spam to dominate the lane.

過去GP的Q+吃水果 已經被公認為OP
只要符文配上黃藍回魔的話 就可以輕鬆的丟技能而不用擔心魔量

而有了GP在旁邊魯洨
警長需要做的只是農到突破天際 +偶爾Q一下 打打對面的臉


: GP synergies well with AD and Junglers for the most part with his E
: increasing the damage and movement speed of his team.
: GP's ultimate offers great utility with the slow and the RNG is can deliver
: onto a team. For instance even though we 3 man ganked bot vs RS the GP RNG
: completely dominated us leading RS to pick up two kills.
: GP overall was a hidden support that no one other than RS really realized his
: potential. He works because his spam is extremely high, he's hard to kill,
: his damage his high early game, and his ultimate can win you a team fight.
: He's been a great jungler for quite some time now so no one ever figured to
: throw him in a support lane. Oh how I love innovation :p

更不用說 GP的E對ad和jungler同伴都有幫助
加上他的緩人大絕

想要gank下路變得非常困難



: Now onto Maokai..
: Maokai as a support isn't nearly as good as GP is.. His spam is lower, his
: self heal takes longer to get to vs GP' s oranges and has less use and his
: damage output vs GP's is also a lot lower. Now Maokai isn't all bad for a bot
: lane support and could be used vs a couple lane combos with mild success but
: I don't see him out laning a Soraka, Taric, Sona, or Alistar anytime soon as
: there sustain would most likely be too much for him. Maybe beat Taric, maybe
: keep up with Alistar, it would have to be tested but I really believe Soraka
: and Sona would have 0 issues dealing with Maokai's spam and would end up
: winning the lane. The only support I think he could really be used
: successfully vs right now would be Janna.
接下來講的Maokai就沒有GP那麼超過,在各方面的效益都低了一點

Maokai作為support能夠協助carry有效對抗 某些下路的combo
但我不認為他能扛贏目前的一線神補的soraka sona taric 和牛牛

可能贏taric,可能跟牛牛旗鼓相當

目前我覺得maokai最可能被拿來針對的,大概是Janna了


: VS Janna Maokai could be used for some great lane control. Taking bottom lane
: brush control and pushing the enemy in would be no problem for him. Also
: comboing down someone with a strong early game AD like Cait, MF, or even
: Urgot could do some serious damage. So Maokai is viable as a support
: sometimes I would like to think but not all the time. He would be your tier
: 3/4 in terms of supporting as he is viable just not all the time imo.

對方有janna時
maokai的存在能夠幫助己方 奪得草叢的控制權

同時對抗某些擁有高普攻的carry像是好運姐/警長之類的


: So everyone crying out "THE META'S FALLING!" or "Yo bros RS changing the
: meta, the change is coming!" well not really. A few more viable supports just
: means there's finally a few more options for bottom lane combo's. Solo lanes,
: junglers will still be the same and a lot of traditional AD + sustain support
: bottom lanes will still be used. The meta change would imply everything is
: changing where as this is just a couple more champions coming into the
: spotlight that aren't exactly traditional. Everything else remains the same.
: If sustain supports were to become unviable then yes the meta would be
: changing but all those champions are still extremely viable supports. It's
: not like you can't counter GP + Cait combo. You can pick Soraka or just pick
: Caitlyn and that combo is ruined and you would instantly go back to AD +
: Sustain support bottom lane what we're used too.
: I am sure there are a few more hidden support gems out there just waiting to
: be found and played competitively but which team will be bold enough to break
: the mold again? Maybe RS has a few more tricks up their sleeves :p
: So moral of the story is.. Innovation does not mean a complete meta change.
: It simply means someone was smart and thought outside the box and a couple
: more champions became viable. AD's are still going to be bot, the meta thus,
: has not changed people.

不過如果說這會改變下路生態倒還不至於,
只是現在有更多英雄加入了"適合當support"的名單中

其他舉凡jungler /ad carry都不會有太大變化


我認為還有英雄擁有當support的潛力只是還未被發現

也許RS還有其他好牌還沒翻出來吧

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