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How Paying Established Closers Saves Teams Money 簽下正職終結者如何能節省球隊開銷 http://www.hardballtimes.com/how-paying-established-closers-saves-teams-money/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Teams that pay steep price tags for “proven closers” often get ridiculed by statistically-inclined baseball writers and readers, often for good reason. This tends to be especially true when these teams already have a viable replacement in their bullpen who is cheaper and maybe even a superior pitcher. 那些花一大把銀子簽下所謂“proven closers”的球隊,常常是被那些數據派的作家 所嘲弄,在球隊本身就有許多更便宜、甚至更優秀的替代人選之下更顯得如此。 However, as Jeff Sullivan wrote on FanGraphs, when those teams include the Athletics and Rays, we tend to step back and reevaluate our positions since these teams typically know what they’re doing. When the A’s traded for Jim Johnson in early December it was a bit of a head-scratcher, as the team had two young relievers perfectly capable of handling the ninth inning in Ryan Cook and Sean Doolittle. While Sullivan pointed out at the time that the A’s roster was deep and it would be difficult for them to upgrade elsewhere, there was another reason that didn’t receive as much attention: signing a veteran reliever could keep the young relievers out of the closer role, thus reducing their cost. 就像Sullivan所寫的一樣,這些球隊包含了運動家還有光芒。 當豆爺簽下Jim Johnson時,大家的第一個反應就是搔搔頭,因為A's本身就有兩隻年輕 牛棚可以擔下終結者的重任(Cook & Doolittle)。 然而Sullivan卻聽出了弦外之音:簽下一名有經驗的終結者可以讓年輕小牛遠離終結者 這個位置,進而節省使用他們的代價。 (P.S.) Jeff Sullivan在FanGraph寫的文章:http://ppt.cc/POoJ The Athletics were the most prominent team to make a move like this, but plenty of other situations where teams with excellent young relievers and departing closers opted to sign a veteran to take over the ninth inning. The Rays acquired Heath Bell (and later signed Grant Balfour) instead of giving strikeout machine Jake McGee a chance to close, and the Indians followed suit by signing John Axford (coming off a -0.5 WAR season) to handle the ninth inning despite Cody Allen’s strong 2013 campaign. Most recently, the Mariners committed $14 million so that Fernando Rodney could close out games while Danny Farquhar, with his 34.7 percent strikeout rate and 1.86 FIP in 2013, got bumped to a setup role. Earlier in the offseason, the Rockies signed journeyman LaTroy Hawkins to close despite the presence of Rex Brothers as well. 當然不只運動家這麼作,不少隊伍在擁有優秀牛棚以及終結者從缺的狀況下,GM們都傾向 簽下一名有經驗的終結者。光芒簽下了Bell跟Balfour,無視三振機器McGee的表現; 印地安人簽下了Axford處理第九局的任務,儘管Cody Allen上季是如此強悍;水手簽下了 Rodney,去年34.7%三振率以及1.86FIP的Farquhar只能為他Set-up;更早之前,落磯簽下 了浪人Hawkins擔任終結者,而非Brothers亦是這種情況。 So what’s really happening here? In three of these cases, the veteran closer had actually performed significantly worse than the young set-up man in 2013, yet the teams went out and committed significant money to these free agents. While these moves may be frustrating for baseball fans, a deeper analysis reveals that these deals might make quite a bit of economic sense for these teams. The idea of saving money on young relievers is occasionally thrown around, but how much money can teams really save? 所以到底花生省魔術? 上述案例中某些CP去年甚至表現的比原本隊上的年輕小牛還要差,球隊卻還是選擇把他們 簽下來當終結者,這令球迷心碎挫折,但在更深層的分析之下,這些交易卻有那麼一點 省錢的意味。 究竟省了多少呢? Let’s try to keep things relatively simple by focusing on the Athletics, given the fact that their in-house closer candidates have amassed multiple excellent seasons but have yet to reach arbitration. You can make a case that the other teams might not have been comfortable with their in-house options, but that argument simply doesn’t hold water for the A’s. Simple點,拿豆爺的魔球隊伍出來看就好。 For the purpose of this research, we’ll assume that had the A’s kept their bullpen intact after Balfour’s departure, Ryan Cook would have handled the ninth inning. Cook has a 2.55 ERA over 148 innings in two seasons with the A’ s and 7.2 innings with Diamondbacks and has earned 16 saves in that time. So far, Cook looks like an elite set-up man, pitching mostly in the seventh and eighth innings and earning 44 holds with the A’s. Luckily for us, the cost for an elite set-up man in his first year of arbitration is pretty well defined as you can see from the pre-arbitration stats and first-year arbitration salaries in the table below. 讓我們先假設運動家原封不動的把少了Balfour的牛棚搬到2014年,Cook理所當然會接下 9局的任務(約莫148局 2.55ERA 外帶16SV)。 目前為止,Cook就是一位精英布局投手,在7、8兩局上場並奪下了44個中繼點。 幸運的是,在薪資仲裁的第一年,使用一位優秀的布局投手的代價幾乎已經落入了窠臼, 如同下表所顯示的仲裁前數據以及仲裁第一年的薪水。 ELITE SET-UP MEN, FIRST TIME THROUGH ARBITRATION Player IP ERA WAR SV Hold Arb 1 ($M) ---------------------------------------------------------------- David Robertson 172 2.62 4.0 3 53 1.6 Jonny Venters 171 1.89 2.9 6 59 1.6 Luke Gregerson 209 3.10 3.2 3 83 1.6 Tyler Clippard 239 2.52 3.0 1 64 1.6 Bobby Parnell 163 2.98 2.0 13 38 1.6 Sergio Romo 144 2.38 4.3 3 54 1.6 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Average 183 2.58 3.23 5 59 1.6 If we assume Cook maintains his current level of excellence in 2014, he’d project to beat most of this group in innings pitched (222), WAR (4.5) and holds (68). However, even players with lots of innings (Clippard) or holds (Gregerson) received the same $1.6 million figure. Cook also already has more saves than anyone in the group at 16, but once again we see that Parnell’s 13 saves didn’t help him out-earn the others. 假設Cook在2014能維持高檔狀態,他的預測數據將會打敗上表在座的各位。 即使有球員吃了非常多局數(Clippard)或是拿了一堆中繼點(Gregerson),他們仲裁 第一年還是一樣乖乖下去領1.6M。你說Cook有16次救援成功,海放表上的諸位, 可惜同樣有著雙位數救援的Parnell也沒辦法領的比其他人更多。 I think it’s safe to assume that if Cook remains an elite set-up man in 2014, he should project to earn $1.6 million in arbitration. Now, how much might Cook earn in his first year of arbitration if he were to succeed as the A’s closer in 2014? Luckily, there are a pair of decent comps from this past season for relievers who didn’t become full-time closers until their final pre-arb year. 現在來看看,若是Cook在2014年趕赴上任終結者,他會領多少錢。 剛好有兩隻牛在他們仲裁前一年當上了全職終結者,比比看。 ONE-YEAR CLOSERS, FIRST TIME THROUGH ARBITRATION Player IP ERA WAR SV Hold Arb 1 ($M) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Cishek 188 2.54 3.2 52 16 3.8 Ernesto Frieri 198 2.96 1.8 60 13 3.8 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Average 193 2.75 2.50 56 15 3.8 You can make a strong case that many of the relievers in the first group had actually pitched better than Cishek and Frieri. No matter, the 50+ saves from each of them pushed their earnings to $3.8 million. You could argue that Cook is better than these guys, but since we’re being conservative let’s just pencil in Ryan Cook the hypothetical closer for the same $3.8 million. 很明顯的,上一個表中的球員,有幾個其實投的比Cishek或Frieri都好,但是50+的救援 次數卻能有效的在仲裁中把他們的薪資推到3.8M。 或許你會覺得Cook比他們幾位都還強,但我們就保守估計吧,假設他在2014年就接下終結 者的狀況下會領到3.8M。 Looks like Billy Beane has already saved $2.2 million from his 2015 payroll, not too shabby. But since we know that arbitration raises are built off of the previous year, saving $2.2 million in year one will also lead to savings in years two and three. This is where the numbers get a bit more difficult. Let’s go back to the first group and look at what a few of the relievers earned in the rest of arbitration. 看起來豆爺只為球團在2015薪資表中省了2.2M。(3.8 - 1.6 = 2.2) 但我們知道,仲裁是會依年資累積的,明年省了2.2M也會間接省到後面幾年的開銷。 讓我們回到第一個表,看看其中幾位在接下來幾次仲裁中領了多少。 ELITE SET-UP MEN, ALL TIMES THROUGH ARBITRATION Player Arb1 Arb2-SV Arb2 Arb3-SV Arb3 Arb Total ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David Robertson 1.6 5 3.1 8 5.2 9.9 Tyler Clippard 1.6 33 4.0 33 5.9 11.5 Bobby Parnell 1.6 35 3.7 (2015) (2015) ? (P.S.)此表中的SV,是各個仲裁的年度所累積的生涯救援數字 Robertson appears to be the best comp for an elite set-up man who never gets a chance to close, earning just under $10 million over the course of his contract. Clippard and Parnell fit what we might expect if Cook gets a shot to close in 2015 after Johnson’s contract expires, although Clippard went back to being a set-up man in his penultimate year and we won’t know Parnell ’s final arbitration contract for another year. Robertson是最好的例子,幾乎沒有救援機會的他在這些日子裡領了不到10M。 而另外兩位剛好符合了Cook在2015時Johnson離開球隊後的狀況。 Since Clippard’s ERA (3.72) and Parnell’s low innings total (50 IP) leading into their second arbitration year may have cost them, let’s assume Cook can beat the pair and earn $4.2 million in 2015 in his first year as a full-time closer. To fill in the rest of the blanks, let’s take a look at a few recent relievers who followed similar paths to see how their arbitration costs escalated. Clippard的ERA跟Parnell的局數降低了使用他們的代價,我們假設優秀的Cook可以在 2015接下終結者後拿到4.2M,為了預測未來幾年的薪資成長,讓我們來看看其他幾隻 狀況類似的牛,薪資是如何成長的。 RECENT CLOSERS, ALL TIMES THROUGH ARBITRATION Player Super2 Arb Arb1 Arb2 Arb3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Perez 2.2 4.5 7.3 Non-Tender Jim Johnson 1.0 2.6 6.5 10.0 Joel Hanrahan N/A 1.4 4.1 7.0 Matt Capps N/A 2.4 3.5 7.2 It’s not easy to find pitchers who didn’t start closing until their third or fourth year of team control, so unfortunately, three of the four recent comps were super-twos, two weren’t all that great, two were non-tendered, and one is Johnson himself. Perez got a $2.8 million raise after a season with 39 saves and a 3.59 ERA, while Hanrahan and Capps both earned $3.7 million raises after eclipsing the 40-save mark with ERAs under 2.5. The key takeaway here is that an effective pitcher who is earning saves as a full-time closer will see raises of $2-4 million in arbitration. While a reliever like Cook is certainly capable of putting up a monster season and earning a $3.5-4 million raise, let’s keep things simple and use $3 million. Perez在拿到了39SV之後,薪資漲了2.8M;Capps跟Hanrahan在40+救援的加持下,漲幅 也達到了3.7M。關鍵在於,一個球員開始接下終結者工作後,仲裁會給他2-4M的薪資 漲幅。 當然Cook是絕對有能力製造一個怪物球季並拿到3.5-4M的薪資漲幅,我們姑且就用3M 來算算看。 (P.S.) Super 2的規則: http://www.fangraphs.com/library/business/super-two/ Using this knowledge, we can put together a table estimating Ryan Cook’s expected arbitration cost if he had become a full-time closer in 2014 versus waiting until 2015 to close out games. 有了這些數據可以推斷,我們作出Cook在2014趕赴上任或等到2015才接下終結者後, 未來薪資的比較表。 RYAN COOK, POTENTIAL VS. PROBABLE EARNINGS Player Arb 1 Arb 2 Arb 3 Arb Total ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan Cook w/ Johnson 1.6 4.2 7.2 13.0 Ryan Cook, closer 3.8 6.8 9.8 20.4 There you have it. By keeping Cook out of the ninth inning for just one year, the A’s appear to be saving around $7.4 million in arbitration costs. This makes the net cost of having Jim Johnson close for the A’s in 2014 around $3M. You could argue that these numbers are a bit generous, but assuming that Cook continues to be an effective reliever, the A’s appear to be saving at least $5 million with this move. A $10 million Jim Johnson doesn’t look too great, but at $3-5 million he has to be considered a steal. 恭喜大家得到它了。 原來讓Cook少投一年的第九局,可以在未來替球隊省下約7.4M的開銷,這讓簽下Johnson的 淨花費變成了不到3M。 你說這太理想了,好吧那假設這個動作只為球隊省至少5M好了,那只花3-5M就簽到Johnson ,也能在豆爺的神偷事蹟中加上一筆了。 This analysis also shows us the importance of the first year of arbitration. Since the salaries build on one another, an inflated figure in the first year will have a big impact on the subsequent years. Therefore, the difference in cost between a pitcher who starts closing during his first year of arbitration and one who starts closing during his final pre-arbitration year is much greater than the difference between the former pitcher and one who doesn’t close at all. 這分析顯示了第一年薪資仲裁的重要性,畢竟仲裁是會讓薪資水漲船高的。 總之仲裁前一年不讓好牛被推上火線關門是很重要的。 We also see the degree to which saves trump skill in the arbitration process. A pitcher like Chris Perez (0.8 career WAR in 333 innings) pitching in the ninth will end up being significantly more expensive than David Robertson (7.6 career WAR in 329 innings). 從Robertson跟Perez的比較中,也可以看到這種策略是如何替球隊省下開銷。 So where does this leave us? Teams that have effective young relievers in their pre-arbitration years when a vacancy in the ninth inning opens up are put in a tough position. If they hand over the keys to the ninth, they’re almost certain to pay the price in arbitration. 如果操之過急,讓仲裁前一年的好牛上去關門,那個球隊有可能就要準備多付一筆。 However, if teams sign a veteran closer to keep their young guy from racking up saves until after his first arbitration hearing, they stand to save a lot of money, possibly as much as $7-8 million. At the start of 2011, the Atlanta Braves chose to hand the keys to rookie flamethrower Craig Kimbrel. Now, he’ s about to earn more than any other first-time arbitration-eligible reliever and may become so expensive that the Braves have to consider trading him. 然而球隊如果簽下了老牌終結者,不讓年輕人有機會累積救援數據,那麼就可以省下約 7-8M的錢。 2011年,勇士隊讓Kimbrel接下九局重任。比起其他第一次仲裁的牛棚投手,Kimbrel 現在身價不同凡響,甚至讓勇士要考慮交易掉他。 (P.S.)勇士已於2/16與Kimbrel達成4年延長合約,4年42M Given the amount of money on the line, it’s not surprising that nearly every team that lost its closer to free agency and had a pre-arbitration reliever posed to take over opened up its wallet and signed a veteran. Effectively, these teams have a coupon that gives them a huge rebate on a free-agent closer, but they have to use it this offseason. For a team with deep pockets, it might make sense to simply let the best reliever close. However, smaller-market teams that need to squeeze more value of their cost-controlled players might be more likely to take advantage of this discount. In this context, these types of acquisitions become not only defensible, but actually quite brilliant. 所以說在前述情況下,打開錢包簽下一個有經驗的終結者可說是稀鬆平常。 口袋深一點的球隊或許就直接讓年輕小牛接下九局,但小市場球隊必須利用這種策略, 製造出更多的價值。 Earlier in the offseason, Eno Sarris explored some of the complexities of the arbitration process on the FanGraphs website and podcast, noting how savvy teams could manipulate the system to save money. Nowhere is there a greater gap between the arbitration process and the open market than in the premium placed on saves. As front offices get wiser and it becomes more difficult to find values on the free-agent market, teams (especially those with tighter budgets) are always searching for new market inefficiencies to get an edge. Judging by some of these transactions, it appears that teams are realizing the economic advantage that they can get by exploiting the arbitration process to suppress the costs of their own players. FEBRUARY 12, 2014 BY MATTHEW MURPHY http://www.hardballtimes.com/how-paying-established-closers-saves-teams-money/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 簡單說,簽下Johnson是讓Cook或Doolittle沒有機會累積救援數據,使得他們在仲裁 第一年時沒辦法拉高薪資,進而在接下來幾年為球隊省錢。 簡評:化消了我對豆爺簽Johnson的疑惑 非逐字翻譯,請見諒,有錯麻煩不吝指正。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 219.71.226.108
abc2090614:推翻譯 02/18 03:55
richard1003:問題是這沒有提到去外面簽的CL爛掉然後還是要年輕RP 02/18 04:00
richard1003:去救火,導致花費變成原來兩倍的情況....XD 02/18 04:01
是的,本文是理想狀態的策略, 我在猜如果簽到一個爛CP,要把小牛推上火線, 那麼與日俱增的committee形式是否就是這種策略之下的因應之道?
xw668:高招 02/18 04:09
xw668:這文可m 02/18 04:10
PlayStation3:我以為要講年輕的RP或者SET UP丟到CP折損可能性變高 02/18 04:37
nolander:這樣太無視九局守成在一場勝利裡有多重要了... 02/18 04:42
nolander:即使只花5M簽到金鎗神也不一定比花這些錢留住年輕牛好... 02/18 04:43
nolander:省這點錢丟棄一場勝利感覺不合Moneyball的邏輯阿@?@ 02/18 04:44
nolander:想想覺得這只代表SV數毫無意義 好牛要用在H-LV的情況而已 02/18 04:54
nolander:而想留住好牛又不花錢只要不讓他拿無意義的SV數就好~ 02/18 04:54
Jim Johnson不是BS天王,怎麼會覺得豆爺無視九局守成呢? 簽Johnson --> 牛棚強化 未來簽自家小牛便宜 未來小牛維持水準,運動家投資得宜,省了一筆錢去補其他位置 未來小牛失去水準,運動家也不用花更多錢當冤大頭 進可攻 退可守的策略 其實不錯 很值得深思的一篇文
nickyang:Projected是預測不是投射數據 02/18 05:11
已修正 謝謝:)
nickyang:這篇文洞很大啦,名字遮起來會以為是Dave Cameron寫的 02/18 05:12
freesoul:第一段ridicule翻嘲弄比較恰當 02/18 05:24
謝謝
nickyang:這篇最根本的問題是假設10M的Jim johnson是risk free 02/18 05:26
nickyang:他今天要拿花了確定的10M把可能的3.8M降到可能的1.6M 02/18 05:27
nickyang:這個比較本身就是不公平的。established cl在他的文章 02/18 05:27
nickyang:例子力風險都比便宜牛高,那應該要去校正這10M的風險因子 02/18 05:28
nickyang:實際上捨Cook簽Johnson的風險成本大過10M。 02/18 05:30
nickyang:還有第一年100%要給的10M跟分四年間「可能」要付的8付M 02/18 05:31
nickyang:這兩者在財務上的差距遠比10跟8看起來的大,除了折現率 02/18 05:32
nickyang:還有一個大點是這幾年薪資的漲幅。總之這是篇有趣的文章 02/18 05:32
nickyang:但是我認為跟現實差太遠了 02/18 05:33
BBBBBBBB:確實有這個道理在 02/18 06:02
richard1003:實際情況是老將CL退化或受傷的機率不低 02/18 06:40
richard1003:加上牛又是取代性較高的類型 02/18 06:43
richard1003:多用年輕人和低價去賭老人似乎還是比較划算 02/18 06:44
Seiran:排A~你真有心 02/18 07:18
JayReed:好聰明喔 02/18 09:14
uranusjr:...我在看到 nickyang 推文之前真的以為是 Cameron 寫的 02/18 09:16
qozxcv:有看有推,交易Jim johnson過來很讚! 02/18 12:14
※ 編輯: EEERRIICC 來自: 219.71.226.108 (02/18 12:27)
n61208:XXXXHawkins真的是頗猛、MLB來台灣剛好看到他出賽 02/19 15:42
KevinLiou:壘包清空的第九局 實際比滿壘的第七局第八局還不重要阿 02/20 11:24
KevinLiou:縱使Cook & Doolittle 強過 Johnson 前兩者去投78局也y 02/20 11:24
KevinLiou:不是那麼不合理 , 只要多處理幾個殘壘就合理很多 02/20 11:24
condition0:轉錄至看板 Athletics 04/11 03:08