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這篇是在Hardball Times上的文章。 作者找了一些可能會影響大谷與哪支球隊簽約的因子,然後以數據去評比每支球隊所獲得 的分數。而作者主觀的給予這些因子權重,最後得到一個總分。 作者找的這些指標都還蠻基本,不過作者評比每個因子時採取的資料與算法可能問一百人 會有一百零一個人有意見,像我對於某些他給分的標準就不太苟同,不過整體來說還算 是一篇有趣的文章,但對於文章所給的結果別太認真。 如果各位有興趣的話也可以主觀地挑選自己覺得重要的因子看看結果會怎樣XD The Ohtani Algorithm by Daniel R. Epstein November 16, 2017 文章來源:https://goo.gl/5noCAV Free agency is predictable. Nearly every free agent has one motivating factor driving his decision: grabbing the best contract possible. To predict where a player will sign all you have to do is draw a line to the team that will pay the most. Guessing the correct team is a little more complicated, but the player’s motive is simple. Shohei Ohtani is writing his own rules. For the uninitiated, the 23-year-old sensation is the best pitcher in Japan who also happens to be the best hitter in Japan. No one alive has ever seen a player like him in the majors. Now, he ’s ready to be posted and come to a ballpark near you. Needless to say, the ensuing frenzy to pursue him will be unlike anything we’ve seen before. However, Ohtani’s two-way excellence isn’t what makes him baseball’s most compelling story this winter. His free-agency decision will have little to do with money at all. He’s under the age of 25 and therefore subject to baseball ’s international bonus system. This will drastically reduce his earning potential. If he were a true free agent he would probably sign for more $200 million. Now he’ll sign for a bonus less than $4 million and a major league minimum salary until he reaches arbitration. 自由球員是可預測的。 幾乎每個自由球員都受到一個重要因子影響,也就是他會盡可能獲得最好的合約。 因此基本上,要預測一個球員最終會與哪個球隊簽約,只需知道每隊的底線,價高者得。 要猜中最終會是哪個球隊出線可能會有一點複雜,但對球員來說,要理解他的動機卻 相對簡單。 大谷翔平卻有著他自己的想法。 對外行人來說,這位23歲的明星是日本最好的投手,同時也可能會是日本最好的打者。 目前還沒有人在大聯盟看過像他一樣的球員,而他目前正透過入札制度進入你家附近的 球場。不需贅言,競逐他的過程將會瘋狂得超乎你的想像。 然而,大谷在這個冬天如此引人注目的原因並非他在投打兩端傑出的表現, 而是他最終會選擇加入哪支球隊。畢竟,金錢的多寡對他的影響並不大。 他目前的年紀小於25歲,因此受到國際球員簽約金的限制,這會讓他的收入大幅減少。 若他是一位真正的自由球員,他所能獲得的收入估計超過兩億美金。 但他選擇此時挑戰大聯盟,他所能獲得的簽約金將少於四百萬美金,且在他滿足仲裁條件 之前,他最多只能領大聯盟球員的底薪。 In other words, money isn’t the driving factor for Ohtani. Some consider it foolish, others think it admirable. Regardless of the reason, the normal rules of free agency do not apply. So what are the Ohtani rules? Only he knows for sure. While we can’t know his rules or criteria for choosing a team, I wanted to take a crack at predicting his team of choice anyway. So I designed an algorithm to predict the likelihood of each major league team signing Ohtani. It analyzes 11 possible factors, sorted into six categories, that may influence his free-agency decision. Each of those factors was weighted by estimating how important they may be for his choice. The result is a total score out of 100 for each team. The higher the score, the more likely the team is to sign him. Simple, right? Of course, there’s a lot of guesswork with this algorithm. We don’t know if any of these factors actually weigh on his mind at all. Maybe there’s some other factor that we’ll never know. Trying to get inside the mind of a 23-year-old is reckless, if not impossible. But that’s what makes this whole process fun! Let’s make a guess, and after he signs we’ll see what was right, what was wrong, and what was just idiotic in hindsight. Below, I’ll break this down by each of the six categories I chose. If you’d like to look at everything altogether, you can view the spreadsheet in its entirety here. 換句話說,金錢並非驅使大谷做出決定的關鍵因子。有些人認為他做出這個決定相當愚蠢 ,但也有些人相當敬佩他的決定。 不論原因為何,我們可以知道那套用來衡量一般自由球員會如何做出決定的方法並不適用 於大谷身上。那對大谷來說,有那些因素會影響他的決定呢?只有他自己知道。 雖然我們無法確切得知哪些因素會影響他的決定,我仍想嘗試去預測他會如何選擇球隊。 因此,我設計了一個演算法預測哪支球隊最有可能與簽下大谷。 我分析了十一個可能影響大谷簽約的因子,並將這些因子分為六類,每個因子都依據其 重要程度給予不同權重。最終每隊都會得到一個總分為一百的分數。 分數越高的球隊自然越有可能與大谷簽約。很簡單,對吧?! 當然,這個演算法有很多部分都是靠猜測的,畢竟我們不知道這些因子在大谷心中的權重 是多少,也可能會有其他因子對他來說很重要但我們卻不知道的。 沒辦法,畢竟要理解一個23歲年輕人的想法並不容易,無論如何,這整個過程依然有趣, 就讓我們開始這個猜謎遊戲,等到他真正簽約後,就能知道這個演算法哪部分是正確的, 哪部分有誤,甚至事後諸葛的說整個演算法是個白癡系統也可以。 若想要知道詳細的計算過程,可以參考這個表:https://goo.gl/G1q72n Category 1: Team Interest The first prerequisite for any free agent is having teams interested in his services; this is one normal free-agency rule from which Ohtani is not exempt. One might think all 30 teams would want a player called “The Japanese Babe Ruth,” and perhaps every team will offer the $20 million posting fee (only the signing team has to pay it), but in reality only a handful of them will enter the bidding in earnest. As a result, the Team Interest category is worth 35 points of the total 100. Ninety percent of the Team Interest category is based on whether the team has scouted Ohtani. Teams whose general manager watched him in person receive 10 points in the “Scouted Ohtani” subcategory and teams that sent a scout get five points. If there is no known report of a given team scouting Ohtani, it receives no points. The other 10 percent of the category is based on a team’s history of signing big-name international free agents. Some teams are more willing to take risks on international players. If a team hasn’t signed any in recent history it gets zero points. Teams that signed one or two players get five points. The Dodgers, who’ve signed five of them, get 10 points. This includes any player signed to a large major league contract from Japan, South Korea or Cuba in the last five years. The one exception is Yoan Moncada, who signed a minor league contract but for $31.5 million. It would be remiss to not include him as a big money international signing. 第一類:球隊對大谷的興趣 對每個自由球員來說,要完成簽約的先決條件就是有球隊對他有興趣,大谷也不例外。 或許會有人認為大聯盟三十支球團都一定會對這位日本貝比魯斯有興趣,而且也一定不會 吝於為他付出兩千萬美金的入札金。 但事實上,或許只有少部分球隊會願意認真出價。因此在此類別的權重我給35%。 這類別中有90%是根據球隊是否曾經觀察過大谷,若球隊的GM曾親自觀察過他,在這子項目 就能獲得十分的滿分;若僅派出球探觀察就給五分,若球隊沒有任何以知關於大谷的球探 報告,就是零分。 另外10%則是根據球隊是否曾簽過任何著名的國際球員,因為不是所有球隊都願意在國際 球員身上冒險。若球隊未曾簽過任何一名國際球員,則此子項目的得分就是零分;簽過 一至兩位則給五分;若是像道奇依樣簽了五位知名的國際球員就能獲得滿分十分。 這裡的國際球員定義為過去五年內是以大聯盟合約簽下,且球員來自於日本、南韓或古巴 才列入計算。唯一例外是Yoan Moncada,雖然他是以小聯盟約簽下,但簽約金卻高達三千 一百五十萬美金,若不將他列入考量將會是個嚴重的疏忽。 The Dodgers are the only team to earn all 35 points in the Team Interest category. There appears to be a correlation between teams that sent their GM to scout Ohtani and teams that have signed international free agents before. As a result, the Yankees, the Padres and the Mariners joined the Dodgers near the top of the leaderboard, followed closely by the Rangers and the Giants. 在這項評比中,道奇是唯一一支拿下滿分三十五分的球隊,因為他們的GM曾經 親自去觀察過大谷,同時道奇過去也樂於在國際球員市場中冒險。 而洋基、教士與水手則以些微的差距居次,再來則是遊騎兵與巨人隊。 *以國民隊為例,他們只有派球探去觀察大谷,並未出動GM,而他們在過去五年內也未曾 與任何一位大物國際球員簽約,所以在此項評比中他們的得分為: [(5/10)*90%+(0/10)*10%]*35%=17.5% Category 2: Playing Time What good is a two-way player if he can’t play two ways? Assuming Ohtani wants to be on the mound and in the batter’s box as much as possible, playing time should be a significant factor. Subsequently, the Playing Time category is worth 25 percent of the total score. Every team can make room for an ace on the pitching staff, but not every team has an open designated hitter spot. For this reason, the “Plate Appearances Opportunities” subcategory is worth 90 percent of the Playing Time category. All National League teams were tied for 24th because they have no DH during intraleague games. Using RosterResource.com, the American League teams were ranked 1-15 based on how entrenched their DH is for the upcoming season. The top five neediest teams at DH were granted 10 points, teams ranked 6-10 earned six points, the remaining five AL teams got two points and all NL teams received none at all. The last 10 percent of the Team Interest category was devoted to pitching. Again using Roster Resource, each pitcher on a given team that was ranked in the top 150 overall in 2017 and is under contract for 2018 is considered to have a rotation spot for next year. Teams that have five such pitchers and don ’t need any this offseason get zero points. Teams that need one or two pitchers get the full 10 points. Teams that need three or more starters get only six points, because while there is great need for a player of Ohtani’s skill, a team with such an incomplete rotation is usually rebuilding. 對一位二刀流選手來說,盡量得出賽應該才是最好的。 假設大谷想要盡可能地站在投手丘與打擊區內,出賽時間的多寡或許會是個重要因子, 所以出賽時間這項評比的權重為25%。 每支球隊都可以替大谷在投手丘上清出空間,但並非每隊都可以在DH中找到位置給他。 所以,能獲得多少PA在這項評比中將佔90%。 所有國聯球隊都排在第24名,因為都無法在跨聯盟比賽外提供DH的位置。 利用RosterResource.com 這個網站對各隊DH的評比將十五支美聯球隊排名, 最需要DH的前五支球隊將可獲得十分,六到十名則有六分, 剩下的球隊只有兩分,而所有的國聯球隊都是零分。 剩下的10%則是以先發投手作為評分依據,透過相同的網站, 依照2017年的成績列出聯盟前150名表現優秀的先發投手,若球隊在2018年仍擁有該球員 ,那就認為該球員在明年會進入球隊的先發輪值中。 倘若某球隊五位先發都被佔滿,表示該球隊在今年季後補強並不會優先考慮先發投手, 故在此項評比為零分;若球隊仍需要一至兩名球員填補先發輪值則會獲得十分; 假如球隊需要三位以上的先發投手,那只能獲得六分。因為若一支球隊 會如此缺乏優秀的先發投手,表示該球隊通常是處於重建期。 The Royals, the Twins and the Yankees earned all 25 points in this subcategory for having relatively open DH spots and holes in the rotation, with Cleveland and the White Sox close behind. These five teams have the most two-way playing time to offer Ohtani by a substantial margin. 在此項評比中,皇家、雙城與洋基都獲得25分滿分,原因在於他們對於DH與 先發輪值都仍有需求;印地安人與白襪居次,表示這五支球隊能提供大谷最佳的舞台發揮 他二刀流的優勢。 * 以笑臉人為例,他們對於先發投手的需求為零,而在DH需求排行榜中排第二,因此在 此項評比中的得分為: [(10/10)*90%+(0/10)*10%]*25%=22.5% Category 3: Money Is money at least a partial factor for Ohtani? It stands to reason that he’ ll want to get paid. If so, each team’s international bonus money and ability to sign him to an extension would affect his decision. The Money category is therefore worth 20 points out of the overall score. The International Bonus Rules outlined in the collective bargaining agreement determine how much money each team can spend in a given offseason. Some teams have acquired more through trades, others have spent or traded nearly all of their bonus pool. In fact, only six teams can pay him even $1 million! The Rangers, Twins and Yankees have more than $3 million to spend, giving them the full 10 points of this subcategory, which is worth 80 percent of the Money category. The Pirates receive eight points for having more than $2 million to offer. The Mariners and Marlins get six points each because they can offer more than $1 million. Teams with at least $0.5 million get two points and all others are granted no points. Each team’s 2017 payroll is a 20 percent factor for the Money category. This is because he may want to sign a large contract extension, as many young stars do in their pre-arb or arbitration years. Teams with higher payrolls presumably will have a higher capacity to offer more money in the future. Teams north of $200 million get 10 points, $180 million gets nine points, $160 million gets eight points, and so on. 錢會不會是影響大谷做出決定的部分因子呢?這項評分隱含著他可能會想要 獲得較高的簽約金。倘若真是如此,那各球隊所能負擔的國際球員簽約金將會影響大谷 的決定,因此這項評比的權重為20%。 根據CBA的協定,每支球隊的國際簽約金都有上限,有些球隊能透過交易獲得額外的額度, 有些球隊則早已花光,或是被交易出去了。 事實上,只有六隊有能力給予大谷超過百萬美金的簽約金。 此項評比中,80%是基於各隊可運用的國際球員簽約金額度。遊騎兵、雙城與洋基仍有 超越三百萬的額度可供使用,故在這個子項目中獲得滿分;海盜目前還擁有超過兩百萬 的額度,所以獲得八分;水手與馬林魚因為還有超過一百萬的額度所以各獲得六分。而那 些還有五十萬美金額度的球隊則獲得兩分,其餘為零分。 而剩下的20%是以2017年的球員薪資總額為評比標準,這是因為大谷或許會想要獲得一份 大約,就如同許多年輕的明星球員在它們獲得仲裁資格之前或在仲裁年會想做的。 若球隊的薪資總額較高意味球隊在未來有能力給予大谷較高的薪資,若球隊薪資總額超過 兩億美金就得到十分,超過一億八千萬能得到九分,高於一億六千萬能獲得八分, 以此類推。 Naturally, the Yankees, Rangers and Twins score big in this category. Notably, big market teams like the Dodgers and Red Sox don’t fare well because of a lack of international bonus money available. This could make it difficult for them to remain in the bidding. 不意外的,洋基、遊騎兵與雙城在此項評比中獲得高分。 但值得注意的是那些大市場球隊,如道奇或紅襪表現卻不如預期,原因在於他們在國際 球員簽約金的額度不足,這會讓他們在出價時處於劣勢。 *以雙城隊為例,他們在國際簽約金額度超過三百萬,所以獲得十分滿分;但2017年的 球員薪資總額水平只獲得四分,故在此項評比的得分為 [(10/10)*80%+(4/10)*20%]*20%=17.6% Category 4: Team Success If you were a young phenom and had your pick of pretty much any team, wouldn’ t you want to play for a winner? Assuming Ohtani thinks along those lines, he will be more likely to choose a team that can win the World Series quickly. This category has only one factor and counts for 10 points out of the total score. Using OddsShark to determine World Series probability, each team was graded on its likelihood of success in 2018. Teams with 10:1 odds or better earned 10 points. Teams with 30:1 odds or better got six points. Any team with at least 50:1 odds received two points and all other teams got no points. 如果你是個年輕的優秀人才,而且可以挑選你所想要的球隊為他效力, 難道你不會選一個具有競爭力的球隊嗎? 假設大谷也是這麼想的,那他一定會希望能加入一支可以馬上獲得世界大賽冠軍金盃的球 隊。關於球隊未來展望這個類別只有一個考慮的因子,也就是獲得世界大賽冠軍的機率, 而這個項目的權重有10%。 藉由http://www.oddsshark.com/mlb/odds/futures 這個網站可以估計每支球隊獲得2018 年世界冠軍的機率,若球隊獲得冠軍的機率是10:1或是更高將獲得10分;若賠率是30:1或 更高則可得到6分;若球隊賠率是50:1就只能拿到兩分,其餘球隊則為零分。 *如洋基隊在該網站的估計明年能獲得冠軍的賠率是8:1,所以在此項評比洋基隊獲得 十分的滿分。 Category 5: Cultural Comfort It’s not easy traveling to a new country, especially at a young age. Ohtani may desire an easy transition to a team with Japanese players on its current roster or in its history. He may also want as short a plane ride as possible for his friends and family. Five points of the total score are devoted to Cultural Comfort. Half of this category regards each team’s history with Japanese players. The “History” subcategory adds up current players on the roster from Japan as well as how many great Japanese players have ever played for the team. Perhaps Ohtani grew up a Mariners fan because of Ichiro Suzuki or a Yankees fan because of Hideki Matsui. Any team with two or more current or historical players gets 10 points, one player gets a team five points, and no players of course means no points. It’s worth noting that three Japanese players are free agents this offseason: Yu Darvish, Ichiro Suzuki and Hisashi Iwakuma. If one of them signs before Ohtani it could impact his decision greatly. (Or maybe not at all!) * Hideo Nomo pitched for several teams outside of Los Angeles, but for no more than one season. He’s best remembered as a Dodger, so only the Dodgers get the credit for having him. 在一個新國度旅行並非易事,尤其是對一個年輕人來說。 大谷或許會希望能夠到一個同樣擁有現役日本籍球員或曾經有過日職球員的球隊, 這將會讓他更快的融入環境。 此外,他或許也會希望到一個離日本不會太遠的城市,這樣當他與家人或朋友見面時,就不需要搭 那麼久的飛機。這個類別所分配到的權重是5%。 此類別中,50%以該球隊歷史中是否有日籍球員為評分標準。這裡所指的「歷史」定義為 目前輪值表中所擁有的日籍球員以及過往是否有大咖日籍球星效力為準。 也許大谷在成長過程中會因為朗神而變成水手隊的紛絲,或是因為松井秀喜而成為洋基的 球迷。只要有球隊歷史中擁有兩名以上的日籍球員就可獲得十分,一位可獲得五分,若都 沒有則為零分。 值得注意的是在這個冬季,將有三位日籍球員成為自由球員,分別是達比修有、鈴木一朗 與岩隈久志。若任何一位球員在大谷之前簽約,那將會對這項評分有重大影響(也許根本 沒影響)。其中野茂英雄雖然曾在洛城以外的許多支球隊效力過,但待的時間都小於一季 ,且在人們記憶中,還是道奇時期的他最令人印象深刻,故評分時就將他歸為道奇隊。 另外的50%則是以球隊與日本的距離作為標準,西岸的球隊都獲得十分,美中的球隊則獲 得五分,美東的則為零分。 The Dodgers got a perfect score for the category, followed closely by the Mariners. The Cubs and Rangers also scored highly, while 10 teams were shut out completely. 道奇在此評比中獲得滿分,水手隊則緊接在後;小熊與遊騎兵同樣獲得 不錯的分數,但有十隊在此項評比中完全掛蛋。 *以金鶯隊為例,他們曾經擁有過一位日籍球員(上原浩治),但因為巴爾的摩在東岸, 所以在此項評比中的得分為: [(5/10)*50%+(0/10)*50%]*5%=1.25% Category 6: Fans Some players prefer to play in front of as many fans as possible. More importantly for Ohtani, a bigger fan base means more marketing opportunities, which should be significantly more lucrative than his salary. The final five points of the overall score are devoted to the Fans category. Market size accounts for 70 percent of the Fans category. Four markets comprising seven teams earned a score of 10 points: New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Toronto. Teams playing in top 10 media markets got five points (Atlanta, Boston, Houston, Oakland, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Texas and Washington). All other teams got zero points. * Of course, Toronto isn’t an American media market at all. However, it’s the top market in Canada and is similar to Los Angeles and Chicago in terms of size, hence the 2.5 score. The other 30 percent of the Fans category relates to ballpark attendance. Ten points went to teams with average attendance of at least 39,000 in 2017. Eight points were given to teams with 35,000, six points for 30,000, four points for 25,000, two for 20,000, and zero for anything less. 有些球員偏好於廣大球迷面前出賽,對大谷來說,若有許多球迷意味著該隊 的市場相當大,也就是他有可能會獲得更多的賺錢機會。最後的5%就給這個類別。 此評比中70%由市場大小決定,位於紐約、洛杉磯、芝加哥與多倫多的七支球隊將可奪下 十分的滿分;亞特蘭大、波士頓、休士頓、奧克蘭、費城、舊金山、德州與華府的球隊 可以獲得五分;剩下的球隊則為零分。 (雖然多倫多不是美國市場,但是對加拿大來說,多倫多就像是洛杉磯、芝加哥一樣的 大城市,因此給予它們相同的分數。) 其餘的30%則以球場平均觀眾數量為評比標準,若2017年球隊觀眾平均超過三萬九千人 的球隊可以獲得十分;超過三萬五千人可以獲得八分;超過三萬可以獲得六分; 兩萬五千人以上獲得四分,兩萬人可以獲得兩分,少於兩萬人則為零分。 The Cubs and Dodgers grabbed all five points in the category, while the Angels, Mets and Yankees all scored highly. Poor Tampa Bay received no points whatsoever in this category. 小熊與道奇在這類評比中獲得滿分,天使、大都會和洋基居次, 光芒隊在此評比中卻一分未得。 *以笑臉人為例,克里夫蘭在市場大小的分數為零,2017年的平均觀眾人數約有 兩萬五千三百人。故在此評比中得分為: [(0/10)*70%+(4/10)*30%]*5%=0.6% Total Score According to this algorithm, the Yankees are miles ahead of the competition. The Rangers are far behind, but still comfortably in second place. Then the Mariners, Dodgers, Red Sox and Cleveland are clustered behind the two front runners. Does this mean Ohtani has to sign with the Yankees? Of course not! They may be best positioned to bid for his services by this metric, but perhaps the player and his agent have something else in mind. Maybe he’ll insist on playing for a west coast team, whereas that was only a small piece of this algorithm. Perhaps there’s some other factor unbeknownst to the public. It’ s even possible he just chooses whichever team signs Darvish. However he reaches a decision, the pursuit of Ohtani will be the most intriguing story of the offseason. He could sign with the Yankees or Rangers for all the aforementioned reasons, or he could do something completely unexpected. Regardless of the ending, the story will be fascinating to watch. 根據這個演算法,洋基隊在爭取大谷的競賽中遙遙領先。 而遊騎兵則以不小的差距居次,再來依序是水手、道奇、紅襪與印地安人。 這結果意味大谷一定會與洋基簽約嗎?當然不是! 這只是代表洋基在這些條件的考量下擁有最具優勢。 但大谷與他的經紀人或許會有一些其他的考量,例如他可能堅持要在西岸的球隊出賽, 而這個因子在此演算法中所佔的權重卻相當少。也許還有一些隱藏的因子還沒被大家發現 ,例如大谷搞不好只想要跟簽下達比修的球隊簽約。 無論如何,追逐大谷將會是今年休季讓大家最有興趣的話題。 根據上述的因子,他最有可能會與洋基和遊騎兵簽約,或也有可能他會做出一些無法預期 的決定。 不管最後結局如何,競逐大谷的過程絕對會是大家關注的焦點。 <各隊得分表> NYY(95.5) TEX(72.6) SEA(63.1) LAD(59.0) BOS(53.6) CLE(50.9) MIN(46.2) SFG(42.5) SDP(39.7) CHC(39.5) TOR(38.2) CWS(34.5) WSN(34.1) BAL(32.8) PIT(32.2) ARI(29.8) HOU(29.6) KCR(29.3) TBR(22.8) OAK(21.5) CIN(19.3) MIA(16.0) STL(15.4) NYM(15.3) MIL(14.7) LAA(14.1) DET(12.0) PHI( 9.4) COL( 9.0) ATL( 8.8) -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 140.115.36.223 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MLB/M.1511941910.A.8C5.html ※ 編輯: kobec (140.115.36.223), 11/29/2017 15:52:13 ※ 編輯: kobec (140.115.36.223), 11/29/2017 15:54:48 ※ 編輯: kobec (140.115.36.223), 11/29/2017 15:59:47
Roshiel: 打臉文預備惹 xd 11/29 16:00
phoenix286: 先猜洋基 看完果然是 11/29 16:01
roxiang: 我基歡迎大谷跟田中並肩作戰 11/29 16:01
BusterPosey: 隱藏因子不就____ 11/29 16:01
※ 編輯: kobec (140.115.36.223), 11/29/2017 16:03:50
Roshiel: 愛菜 11/29 16:04
※ 編輯: kobec (140.115.36.223), 11/29/2017 16:05:57
jim12441: 太舒服了吧 11/29 16:12
NYYLG: 我基威武! 11/29 16:12
borriss: 換算成21~24M 3年 4y5y加起來10M左右的選擇權 (? 11/29 16:23
AZBTPATONY: 洋基簽到我吞麥克 11/29 16:24
hsiang0619: 喬丹 11/29 16:26
mightymouse: 這些評分根本是為洋基設計的吧XD 11/29 16:29
我也這麼覺得 這結果和第二名差距也太大的吧
eaious: 洋基簽到你自宮如何 有種一點 11/29 16:30
sylviehsiang: 現金人:好好好 今年給你達比修 明年給你哈波 11/29 16:36
ZMTL: 真的太舒服了 11/29 16:40
wx190: 舒服我基 最後肯定去別隊 11/29 16:43
a2156700: 好 信你一把 11/29 16:45
ClintFrazier: 感謝翻譯 真是辛苦你了 低調推一個 11/29 16:48
iambiaggi: 不管怎麼樣我是信了,快來我基吧! 11/29 16:55
prayer513: OK 就決定是洋基了 11/29 17:12
ug945: 國民到底為什麼還那麼高阿= = 11/29 17:19
國民靠有球探觀察他(權重超高)+明年有衝擊冠軍的機會(?!)所以得到很高分 ※ 編輯: kobec (140.115.36.223), 11/29/2017 17:25:41
alankira: 大谷演算法(X) NYY-大谷演算法(O) 11/29 17:40
noahlin: LAA太低了吧 在大LA又在美聯 還可以跟神鱒當隊友 11/29 17:43
noahlin: 至少也有中段班吧 11/29 17:43
大大說的沒錯,這也點出我不太認同他做法的其中一個原因 在LAA的評分裡,因為作者「不知道」LAA有沒有觀察過大谷 (他是寫unknown 而不是no,可能是真的沒有,或是有但他能力不足找不到相關資訊) 加上天使過去也沒簽過他定義的國際球員,所以在這個佔35%的項目直接零分 (別人滿分100 你封頂才65分要跟人家玩甚麼)
hy654: 推 11/29 17:47
Sechslee: 大家都知道隱藏因子 11/29 17:59
ClintFrazier: 樓上上 hy 11/29 18:04
Burtgang: Playing Time的權重感覺偏低,這應該會是大谷第一考量 11/29 18:13
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access: 請問NUM是哪隊? 11/29 18:32
ClintFrazier: 應該是NYM 打錯了 11/29 18:45
感謝提醒~
eden3q: 我個人認為該隊是否有(或曾有)日本球星不是大谷挑選的因 11/29 18:45
eden3q: 素,再者他根本不曾是某隊日職球隊的球迷(當然包括MLB) 11/29 18:45
eden3q: 不過有一朗或松井等人待過到底在他心中算加分還是減分,真 11/29 18:46
eden3q: 的要問他本人才知道了 11/29 18:46
threebig: 簽達比修這項似乎還真有點譜 11/29 18:51
kk2025: 倒是不覺得達比修會有影響... 11/29 18:58
blackbrid: 勇士哭哭 11/29 19:04
a2156700: 達哥走 我一定走(? 11/29 19:18
powerman100: 大谷來我基吧! 11/29 19:36
TrueTears: 一堆人開始舒服洋基了 XD 11/29 20:01
Chtgo: 分析推 但真的不是很準 尤其是人的情感和選擇 11/29 20:19
Kyosuke: 兩百萬美金也就兩億日幣, 大谷心中大概很難有 20% 權重 11/29 20:23
threebig: 大谷應該不會和第一支球隊簽太長的約吧 他急著現在就赴 11/29 20:26
threebig: 美 目標應該是第二張可以大撈的約 當然 有投出身手的話 11/29 20:26
Sechslee: 就只能簽小聯盟約然後被控制六年是在長短什麼... 11/29 20:28
ZMTL: 小聯盟約就被綁死年限了,哪來短約可以簽 11/29 20:31
frank94: 他應該是指升上大聯盟後 跟球隊簽延長合約 11/29 20:56
ZMTL: 換約這種事應該不能明面納入條件不然算違規? 11/29 20:58
我印象中好像也是不行
frank94: 但最近很多人在探討延長合約問題 11/29 20:59
frank94: 延長合約雖然有保障 但往往會讓球員少拿很多錢 11/29 21:01
frank94: 尤其等球員進FA都過30歲了 身價跌很多 11/29 21:02
frank94: 所以未來也許經紀人會更努力勸球員不要簽延長約 11/29 21:04
frank94: 雖然換約被禁 但加入有錢球隊 得到延長約機會較大 11/29 21:05
frank94: ATL被重罰 很多人認為就是警告球隊不要私底下給大谷 11/29 21:06
frank94: 換約之類的約定 11/29 21:07
noahlin: 大谷都不願意為200M多等兩年了 也沒在在乎這種保障的吧 11/29 21:30
noahlin: 就算簽延長 前六年極限也差不多就是35M 這跟200M比.. 11/29 21:32
NYMets: 可以把我隊名打對嗎 11/29 22:09
阿梅別生氣啦 我這不就改了嗎>//<
sylviehsiang: 紐約數字隊 11/29 22:15
borriss: 作文跟說客權重才重要啦(X 11/29 22:43
chaolin: 辛苦翻譯先推! 11/29 22:56
sunnei: 看到這個不知道為什麼很想接: 葛來分多加十分 11/29 23:20
kay16victor: 有直飛飛機加十分? 11/29 23:50
frank94: 紐約有直飛飛機,加1分回來,共96.5分 11/29 23:52
ChrisDavis: 德州也有直飛阿= = 11/30 00:01
usausausa: 紐媒瘋狂發動攻勢中!!!!!!!!!!!! 11/30 00:06
noahlin: 老闆應該都願意把私人飛機借給他拿去直飛吧 一年才兩趟 11/30 00:07
frank94: Hardball Time算紐媒嗎? 11/30 00:13
sam9595: 其實不意外 洋基真的各點都不輸 沒有明顯落後的點 11/30 00:31
tatsumi2512: 當初火腿在說服大谷入團,不要急著去美國時, 11/30 00:54
tatsumi2512: 做了一份精美的PPT,加上這次大谷開給球團的問券, 11/30 00:55
tatsumi2512: 對生涯發展應該是大谷最重視的項目, 11/30 00:56
tatsumi2512: 所以有強大教練/醫療團隊的球隊應該會比較有優勢。 11/30 00:57
Cishang: 老實講 最有價值的是PA跟先發 其他的大概都是小事 11/30 01:09
Cishang: 結果PA跟先發這張表才25% 你給這一項75%還差不多 11/30 01:11
這就每個人的衡量標準不同了 答案只有大谷知道
noahlin: PA跟先發有心要搶的每隊都可以比照火腿啊 至少美聯 11/30 01:37
noahlin: 以他的薪水 要什麼上場條件都可以答應他 反正風險很小 11/30 01:37
noahlin: 這付出的成本大概就是25M/3y 後面仲裁再看表現 11/30 01:38
noahlin: 這薪水只夠簽後段先發 風險超低 11/30 01:39
noahlin: 25M在FA差不多是3WAR 多的都是賺到的 11/30 01:40
noahlin: 這還沒算進各種媒體曝光 週邊 跟球隊的品牌效應 11/30 01:41
真的是現買現賺
sylviehsiang: 要比飛機那就是誰能讓協和號復航開闢紐京航線者獲勝 11/30 02:36
sylviehsiang: OOPS 我先入為主就用洋基來舉例了 XD 11/30 02:36
pyc0222: 大谷沒去洋基樓下自含 11/30 03:25
stja: NYY機率也太大了吧 11/30 07:23
eden3q: 是的,大谷的目標是盡可能延長職業生涯,球隊這方面的條 11/30 09:14
eden3q: 件會是很大的因素 11/30 09:14
frank94: 那Mets隊怎麼說服大谷啊,這些DL都是假的? 11/30 09:28
kyeh001: 會不會同情勇士就加盟了當救世主XD 11/30 09:29
accjm2440: 太舒服啦 11/30 09:47
Aretimis7345: 有DH的真的很佔優勢 幾乎可以確保PA數 11/30 10:01
Aretimis7345: 國聯沒DH 大谷不投球要搶外野位子 PA數就很難確保 11/30 10:02
Aretimis7345: 如果打得比較好搶外野OK 打得沒較好願意給他PA數? 11/30 10:04
Aretimis7345: 這就是國聯球隊尷尬的地方 美聯DH方便操作許多 11/30 10:04
Aretimis7345: 尤其是DH比較弱的 像是去年洋基像屎般的DH.... 11/30 10:05
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Roshiel: 講的好像DH不用搶似的.... 11/30 10:24
Roshiel: 讓大谷站DH主要是不要他太累 11/30 10:24
mightymouse: 多一個DH的彈性比外野大很多啊,受傷機率也比較低 11/30 10:43
frank94: 跟搶不搶位子無關 大谷已經三年沒守外野了 11/30 11:10
frank94: 火腿都知道要保護他 守外野真的太操了... 11/30 11:11
minagiyu: 美國有哪個城市有直飛新千歲的航班嗎? 11/30 11:13
minagiyu: 啊不對,應該要直飛仙台 11/30 11:15
appshjkli: 連日本的輪值他都三年不守OF了 投1休四加打擊還站外野? 11/30 12:19
appshjkli: 國聯劣勢就在這 11/30 12:19
fuan791013: 用心推 11/30 12:34
Sechslee: 每年幾趟私人飛機就好 不需要什麼航線 11/30 12:38
BHrabal: 推隱藏因子 XD 11/30 12:48
tity: 水手你也可以翻成馬林魚 11/30 12:52
喔天啊~ 看太快翻錯了 感謝幫忙抓錯 ※ 編輯: kobec (140.115.36.223), 11/30/2017 12:57:33
alwu: 雖然有沒有日籍選手情感上影響不大,但是的確代表這個隊伍有 11/30 13:06
alwu: 沒有過好的跟日籍選手相處經驗啊 11/30 13:06
alwu: 那些休息室從此吃嗨啾的隊伍就可以看出來異文化差異 11/30 13:07
alwu: 這不是直接是大谷開的題目嗎 11/30 13:07
alwu: 有沒有日籍球員的重點是球團在談幫他融入球隊的時候有實例當 11/30 13:17
alwu: 作籌碼 11/30 13:17
triff: 大谷翔平把日職當成次等聯盟在打 11/30 14:32
borriss: 17年DH有這些人撐 Hanley.Trumbo.Pujols..(咦 11/30 14:40
jsports1: DH是有機會打席比較多 但成績要夠好才卡得住 不然就會 11/30 14:41
jsports1: 完全沒打席 NL的話只要投球就一定有打席 而且幾乎不用 11/30 14:41
jsports1: 擔心對方的投手打得比他好 11/30 14:42
sylviehsiang: 你想太多了 不可能用打擊成績來吃打席 11/30 15:20
sylviehsiang: 簽合約的時候上面就會承諾第一年會給多少打席了 11/30 15:21
sylviehsiang: 打得好 第二年打席變多 打不好 第二年打席照舊 11/30 15:21
jsports1: 大谷的合約連保證上大聯盟都不行了 還想保證打席? 11/30 15:31
eden3q: つ日本人のいない球団が希望 大谷 11/30 15:43
eden3q: 在大谷確定想赴美前的新聞台灣這邊沒什麼人知道的樣子 11/30 15:44
eden3q: 如果對大谷的心態有一點了解就會知道他不想去有日本人在 11/30 15:51
eden3q: 的球隊不是空穴來風啦 11/30 15:51
eden3q: 他才不怕去陌生的環境,他高中時後就想闖小聯盟了,管你 11/30 15:52
eden3q: 有沒有日本人 11/30 15:52
eden3q: 有日本人才會搶走他的風采 11/30 15:52
eden3q: 然後自由度受限也是他最討厭的 11/30 15:53
alwu: 原來大谷問卷第五題是假的嗎?! 11/30 16:09
Ensidia: 我也覺得會去洋基 洋基在棒球史上的地位實在太特別 11/30 17:06
Ensidia: 想成為世界第一的球員心中沒有一點嚮往我不太相信 11/30 17:07
frank94: 沒來我基我也認了 至少洋基有盡力滿足他可能的需求 11/30 17:50
frank94: 合約是不能保證打席 但跟經紀公司談好的東西 11/30 17:55
frank94: 不覺得球隊敢違背 尤其為了長久打算 11/30 17:56
a2156700: 不是R 我就吃定你六年了 11/30 17:59
frank94: 目前看國外評論 沒看到有人懷疑球團會食言 11/30 18:19
appshjkli: 事關球團信譽 沒人會亂開玩笑 頂多開開暗盤被抓而已啦 11/30 18:31
jsports1: 要把暗盤要素算進去的話,那乾脆說球團簽小聯盟約之後 11/30 18:35
jsports1: 都會立刻換張超大約給大谷就好了,那就只有大市場隊玩得 11/30 18:36
jsports1: 起囉 11/30 18:36
frank94: 暗盤不敢吧 聯盟都為此重罰ATL 殺雞警猴了 11/30 18:42
frank94: 但公開答應大谷和他經紀公司給PA是沒問題的 11/30 18:45
frank94: 目前也沒看到有人懷疑球隊會食言就是了 11/30 18:47
maxspeed150: 球隊食言的話之後還要怎麼簽FA.... 11/30 19:13
sylviehsiang: 小熊開400PA來亂了 希望大谷經紀公司會點醒他 11/30 21:35
biyombo: NYY... 12/04 07:51
b99202071: 超準 算出第一個被淘汰的XD 12/04 08:20
a2156700: 朝聖 12/04 10:00
Langerhans: 這個真的要朝聖一下 12/04 22:01
micotosai: 524預測的? 12/06 20:28