[外電] 大谷翔平大哉問

[ChrisDavis (工業電風扇)]

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A topic of much interest around baseball right now is Shohei Otani, the
Japanese superstar who may be headed to MLB in time for the 2018 season.
Whether that happens is a complicated stew of financial considerations, so this
begs for the FAQ treatment. Let's jump right in ...


現在很多新聞都圍繞著大谷翔平打轉，一位將在2018挑戰大聯盟的日本超級球星
這會涉入到許多複雜的財務問題，所以讓我們來一一解答八

Who is Shohei Otani?
Shohei Otani is a 23-year-old Japanese phenom who profiles as a future star
whether he's on the mound or at the plate. Across five seasons with the Nippon
Ham Fighters, he's put up a line of .286/.358/.500 at the plate (he's produced
at an even higher level over the last two seasons). On the mound, he owns an
ERA of 2.52 with 624 strikeouts in 543 innings.

誰是大谷翔平?
(最喜歡蘆田愛菜的男人>///<)

大谷翔平是一位23歲然後可以在投手丘或是本壘板都看到他的日本超級菁英
過去五年在CP腿的日子裡，他打出了.286/.358/.500的好成績(過去兩年的表現更為出色)
在投手丘上在543局裡面投出了624次三振以及2.52的ERA

How good is he?

Really, really good. This extended highlight reel from his 2016 season should
give you an idea:

On the mound, Otani can touch triple digits with his fastball, and he also
boasts a devastating slider and can change it up with a nasty splitter. A
repeatable delivery in addition to three plus offerings all in an ideal
pitcher's frame? That's a frontline starter in the major leagues. At the plate,
he's got a disciplined approach and raw power potential, and he's also got some
speed on the bases. That's an exceedingly rare package of skills.

他有多棒？

告訴你，他真的是超爆幹猛的，以下是他2016的嗨賴集

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B05dBnrN1o

在投手區上，大谷可以投出逼近三位數的火球，他還有一顆毀滅性的滑球以及可隨心所欲
控制的噁心指叉球，是一個有三種球種在PLUS以上的理想中的投手
在大聯盟他可以當前段輪值，在本壘板他有良好的紀律以及巨砲的潛力，在跑壘的時候也
有很棒的速度，總而言之就是各種技能都有點到辣

Will Otani be a two-way player in MLB?
Otani reportedly wants to play both ways in the majors, and assurances to that
end might come up in eventual negotiations. The default assumption is that
he'll be a primary pitcher. At this point, he has a higher ceiling as a
pitcher, and organizations when presented with viable two-way threats tend to
lean toward the pitching side of things. Maybe this gives a National League
club an edge for Otani, since at least he'll be guaranteed to bat on his start
days.

Then again, we haven't really seen the likes of Otani's broad base of skills,
at least not in a long time. Consider what one veteran MLB scouting director
told MLB.com's Jonathan Mayo back in September:
"I've been doing this 26 years, seen as many players as anybody, but I've never
seen a skill set like this. This guy is polished like [Rays prospect Brendan]
McKay with [Reds prospect Hunter] Greene's tools, but he's faster than Greene.
There should be giddiness; no one has ever seen it. We'll see how it turns out."


Given the number of teams willing to challenge received wisdom these days and
given Otani's desire to be a two-way star, don't be surprised if a mold gets
broken. Hey, if Brooks Kieschnick can give it a whirl, then why not Otani?

大谷會在大聯盟玩雙刀流嗎？
據報導大谷想要在大聯盟實行雙刀流，並希望球團可以再談判的時候提出保證
一般都假設他會是個投手，在這個時候，他當投手的天分比較高，而球團在評估雙刀流的
可行性的時候通常會比較傾向讓他專攻投手的一方，或許國聯球隊會比較有優勢，至少他
投球的時候可以上場去打擊，再說，我們並沒有長期追蹤以及真正看過大谷翔平的各種
表現，但是我們來聽聽一個老球探怎麼描述這傢伙


"我幹這行26年了，看過無數的球員喇，但是我沒看過技能點成這樣的球員，這傢伙有著
Brendan McKay(光芒新秀)以及Hunter Greene(紅人新秀)的能力，可是他還跑得比Greene
快！！！看得讓人有點眼花，沒人看過這種天才，很期待它未來會變成甚麼樣子壓＂

考量到這幾天有數隻願意接受挑戰的球隊，並且有機會讓大谷成為雙刀流的明星，不要感
到驚訝阿！！畢竟Brooks Kieschnick都可以了為什麼大谷不行!!!!!!!!!


So is he going to make the leap to MLB before next season?

It's looking likely, but it's not yet certain. Otani has reportedly secured the
services of a stateside agent, which is a strong indicator. His desire to pitch
in the U.S. is also an open secret. The posting system, however, complicates
matters.

所以我們將會在下一季看到他嗎?

看起來是的，但尚未確定，據報導他剛找了一個美國經紀公司，這是一項利多指標
他想在美國投球也是一個公開的秘密，只不過入札制度有點複雜壓

What's the posting system?
The posting system is the mechanism by which players in Japan's Nippon
Professional Baseball or the Korea Baseball Organization make the leap to the
U.S. major leagues. After a player has racked up nine years of service time in
those leagues, he's an unrestricted free agent (e.g., Hideki Matsui when he
signed with the Yankees). If, however, a player (like Otani) seeks to go to MLB
before that point, his team can choose to "post" him.


甚麼是入札制度?

入札是一個讓日本職棒以及韓國職棒的球員能夠挑戰美國大聯盟的制度，當一個球員在他
們的聯盟打了九年球的時候，他便可以成為無限制自由球員
(ex:松井秀喜當年與洋基簽約就是)，但如果一個選手(像大谷)想要在九年期前去美國，他
的球隊則可以將他公開競標

How does the Japanese posting system work?
This is where things get complicated for Otani. Under the system that just
expired, MLB teams would bid up to $20 million for the right to negotiate with
a posted player for a period of 30 days. That posting fee of up to $20 million
would go to the player's former club in Japan if and only if a team winds up
signing the posted player. If no agreement with the player is reached, then he
returns to his former team, and the MLB club gets back its posting fee.
Usually, though, the player signs.
For example, when the Yankees signed Masahiro Tanaka to a $155 million
contract, they also paid a $20 million posting fee to Rakuten, his former team
in Japan. That system, however, is likely to be different going forward.

日本入札制度怎麼運作搭?

這就是為什麼要得到大谷這麼複雜的原因惹，在剛過期的入札制度之下，大聯盟球隊可以
透過最高兩千萬美金的競標來跟日本球隊取得三十天的交涉權，如果大聯盟簽下該球員，
競標的兩千萬美金費用將會進到球員前東家的口袋裡，如果談判破裂，球員就會回到老東
家，美國球隊也可以收回競標的錢，通常都會成功拉

舉例來說：洋基簽下彰化之光花了155M的同時，也付了20M給老東家樂天金鷲
不過這個制度在未來可能會有所不同

How is the posting system changing?
It's changing in two ways. First, the amount of money a player like Otani can
sign for is being drastically limited. Under the new collective bargaining
agreement (CBA), which governs the labor relationship between players and clubs
in MLB, international free agents under the age of 25 are subject to
international bonus pool money restrictions for the July 2 signing period.

入札制度將會有甚麼改變？

有兩個方向.首先像大谷這種球員能得到的簽約金受到了極大的限制．在新版勞方與資方協
議談成的勞資協議，七月二號以前，25歲以下的國際選秀球員要簽約都受限於國際簽約金
制度

What's the July 2 signing period?

That's when MLB clubs are free to sign international free agents -- i.e.,
players who are at least 16 years of age or foreign professionals under the age
of 25 -- who aren't from the U.S., Puerto Rico, or Canada (those amateurs are
subject to the June MLB draft). However, MLB clubs must work within hard-capped
budgets. Those budgets are $5.75 million, $5.25 million, or $4.75 million
depending upon market size and revenues (the larger the market size and
revenues, the lower the starting budget). Also, teams can trade cap space -- up
to $250,000 at a time, for a total of 75 percent of their base budget in
2017-18 and 60 percent of their base budget in future signing periods.
On the other side of things, it's also possible to lose budget space. MLB.com
explains:

Beginning in the 2017-18 offseason, any team that is over the luxury tax
threshold and signs a Major League free agent that has rejected a qualifying
offer will lose $1 million from their international signing pool in the
following signing period. A team that is not over the luxury tax would only
forfeit $500,000 of its signing pool in the subsequent period.

Beyond that, a number of teams have their current international signing
capabilities heavily limited as punishment for exceeding their budgets under
the old CBA, when the caps weren't hard but did carry significant penalties.


甚麼是七月二號簽約期限？

球團可以開始自由簽下國際自由市場的球員

凡是十六歲以上二十五歲以下的不來自美國,加拿大或是波多黎各(這些球員會在六月選秀)
的外國球員，大聯盟球隊必須在受限的預算裡面進行操作

預算區分為5.75M/5.25M/4.75M，這預算決定於市場大小以及營收(市場最大賺最多錢的
球隊，他們的起始預算會是最低的)，同時球隊也可以交易預算空間，一次最多二十五萬美
不能超過2017-18的75%基礎預算或是未來季度的60%基礎預算

在另外一方面也有可能會損失預算空間，MLB.com這樣縮

2017-18的休賽季開始時，任何超過豪華稅的隊伍只要簽下拒絕QO的球星就會損失國際選
秀簽約金額度中的一百萬美元！！，沒有超過豪華稅的隊伍如果簽了只會損失五十萬！！
除此之外，目前有一些球隊因為在舊版CBA超過限制被處罰導致他們在國際簽約能力受到一
定的限制，要超過上限其實不難，只是會受到巨大的懲罰就是惹

How will this affect Otani?
As noted above, foreign professionals under the age of 25 are now subject to
these July 2 rules. That includes Otani. We're talking about a young player who
would easily fetch nine figures on the open market, but now he won't be able to
crack a $4 million bonus. To call this an artificially restricted market is to
indulge in criminal levels of understatement.

這會怎麼樣影響大谷翔平?

就像剛剛縮搭，25歲以下的國際球員受限於七月二號規則，包括大谷翔平

老兄你要知道我們是在談論一個可以輕易獲得九位數合約的年輕選手，但是現在他將無法
拿超過四百萬的$$$$$
把這種現象叫做限制市場根本就是一種低水準的犯罪RRRR

Why wouldn't he just just wait two years until he's 25?
That's a great question. It seems like the rational decision. After all, he
wouldn't be subject to those international bonus money restrictions if this
were, say, the winter of 2019-2020, when he'd be 25. Then he'd be getting that
aforementioned nine-figure contract. Otani, though, seems badly to want to make
the leap now, and he trusts his skills enough to assume the money will come
later. He can also get his MLB arbitration clock running now, but it's still a
big risk. For whatever reason, the new system seems not to have dissuaded him.

為什麼他不再等兩年等到他25歲再來?
(可能那時候手就被CP腿玩壞惹)

這是一個很好的問題R，聽起來像是個明智的決定，如果是這樣他也不會受到國際選秀的
簽約限制，在2019-2020的冬天他將會滿25歲，然後就可以簽下九位數的合約喇！！！

可是大谷現在就想要挑戰大聯盟，他相信他滿滿的技能會為他日後賺來大把大把的鈔票
他也可以申請大聯盟仲裁諾，這充滿著許多風險，不管如何，新版制度澆不熄他挑戰的心


Wouldn't a team be able to get around these rules by agreeing to a future
contract extension with Otani in secret?
Speaking of rational responses, this would seem to be a reasonable approach by
teams heavily interested in Otani. You pony up the posting fee, pay Otani the
relatively tiny bonus he's allowed under the July 2 rules, and then on the
down-low negotiate a long-term contract with him that won't be announced until
a year or three down the line. However, reports are that MLB is heavily
invested in deterring such an arrangement, and that would presumably entail
major penalties should a club seek to skirt the rules in such a manner. How MLB
can ensure compliance isn't entirely clear, but the potential for
under-the-table dealings is very much on the league's radar. Obviously, they'd
need ears and eyes on the negotiation process because at some point down the
line plausible deniability sets in, and a contract extension for a young
frontline talent like Otani becomes impossible to prevent. This makes for an
investigative challenge for MLB.

有沒有球隊會想繞過這些規定，偷偷跟大谷保證未來一定會續約？

聽起來像是個正常的反應，對於那些對大谷表達出高度興趣的隊伍來說不失為一種方法

付了競標的費用，還有在七月二號規則下的一點簽約金然後再偷偷摸摸跟他談一份長約
直到兩、三年之後才公布，然後，據傳大聯盟特偵組正在嚴格防治這種漏洞，如果有球隊
試圖像yoyodiy一樣繞過這些規則的話，會有很重很重的懲罰拉

官方如何確保這種事不會發生並不是很清楚，然而檯面下的密約非常依賴聯盟特偵組的調
查，在談判的過程當中需要一些耳目來防範，與此同時就會產生許多不確定性，尤其是像
跟大谷這種天才偷偷談續約，將會變得難以預防，這都增加了特偵組調查的難度

OK, above you said the posting system is changing in two ways. We talked about
the July 2 thing. What's the other way?
Oh, yeah. Well, soon enough teams in Japan aren't going to be able to fetch a
$20 million posting fee. Starting with the 2018-19 offseason, the posting fee
will be 15 percent of the guarantee of a major league contract (i.e., for a
player 25 years or older) or 20 percent of the signing bonus if a player is
subject to those international bonus pools. That's according to a recent AP
report. In other words, the posting fee for Otani next year, when he's 24 and
thus still subject to international limits, would be much lower than the $20
million under the old system. That old system, by the way, expired not long
ago.

好搭，你說入札系統有兩種方式改變，我們談的是七月二號，另外一條是啥？

耶~~~

很快的日本球隊將不會獲得最高20M美元的競標費，從2018-19休賽季開始，競標費將會來
自於球員保證合約中的15%(25歲或更老的球員)，如果這些球員受到國際選秀簽約的限制
那競標費將從其簽約金中收取20%，根據先前AP 報導的話，換句話說如果明年大谷挑戰
大聯盟，他才24歲，仍然受制於國際選秀規定之下，能拿到的錢將會比舊制度的20M美金
少得許多，順帶一提，舊制度不久前已經過期喇

So what does that mean for Otani's team in Japan?
That team is the Nippon Ham Fighters. Obviously, they're not going to post him
next year if it means getting such a lesser posting fee. They'll either do it
now or when he's 25. The case for doing it lies in reports that Otani will be
grandfathered in under the old system, which would allow Nippon to land that
$20 million fee.

所以這對大谷的老東家代表甚麼？

老東家是日本火腿鬥士，顯然地，他們不會在下個賽季公告他，因為這代表只能拿到少少
的錢，要嘛就是現在要嘛就是等到他二十五歲，這麼做的理由可能是報導說會讓大谷開特
例用舊制度挑戰大聯盟，讓火腿可以賺到兩千萬美金的競標費


So he's good to go then?
Not necessarily. The MLBPA doesn't really love the idea of a team making so
much money off a player while the player gets, in this instance, roughly
one-fifth of the posting fee. That objection is probably why Otani took the
early step of hiring a certified agent. That still may not change the
structural impediments that stand between Otani and his getting a 2017-18
signing bonus that even approaches his market value. The Players' Union,
though, has been pretty "cooperative" with owner interests in recent years, and
they may not ultimately stand in the way of a player who wants to come here,
even in face of patent unfairness.
Given Otani's seeming interest in joining MLB right away and the likelihood
that Nippon is permitted to receive a posting fee under the recently expired
system, the MLBPA's reservations may be the most significant hurdle remaining.

所以他會這樣子來到大聯盟？

不見得，MLB球員工會並不喜歡一支球隊在一個球員身上可以賺到這麼多錢的想法，在這
種情形之下，球員才拿到了大概五分之一的錢而已。這種反對的情形可能導致了大谷提早
聘請了專業經紀人來處理，但是這仍然無法改變大谷獲得接近市場價的合約或是在2017-18
少少簽約金之間的高牆，近年來球員工會積極與勞方合作，但是在一些方面總不會看法相
同，但他們也從未阻擋任何球員來大聯盟

Where would Otani rank in this winter's free agent class if he joins it?
Obviously, an international superstar who's that young and that good will have
plenty of suitors. As it stands now, Yu Darvish and J.D. Martinez are the top
free agents of this offseason. Otani, though, profiles as a real
difference-maker on the mound and at the plate. As such, Otani would easily be
the most coveted free agent of the 2017-18 class.

如果大谷這個冬天來的，在自由市場的等級有多高？

很明顯的，有著年輕肉體的超級巨星想必有很多迷弟迷妹追求，現在來說：達比修有跟
J.D. Martinez是市場上最熱門的貨，不過大谷身為一個可以打擊又可以投球的雙刀流選
手，肯定會成為2017-18自由市場上最令人垂涎的自由球員


So who are the frontrunners?
It's hard to answer this question with any precision. However, if we assume
that Otani hits the market under those July 2 rules, then, according to numbers
acquired by the Associated Press, just three teams -- the Rangers, Yankees, and
Twins -- have more than $3 million in pool money available to sign Otani. Of
those three, the Rangers have the most room in the budget, with $3.535 million
available. Just three other teams have enough room to sign Otani to a
seven-figure bonus.
That said, if Otani is willing to make the jump now under such a restrictive
system, then an up-front payday obviously isn't his priority. As such, he may
be willing to give a look to those teams who aren't able to pay him as much as
the Rangers, Yankees, and Twins.


所以，誰有機會？

這個問題我很難跟你回答，如果我們從大谷將會在七月二號規範下來到美國的話，只有三
隻隊伍的國際選秀簽約金池在三百萬以上，分別是遊騎兵、洋基以及雙城，在其中遊騎兵
有著最高的3.535M額度，除此之外還有其他三支球隊可以給大谷七位數的簽約金

也就是說，如果大谷願意在這種制度下挑戰大聯盟的話，那麼顯然簽約金就不是他的首要
考量，或許他就會有機會可以去看看無法像遊騎兵、洋基、雙城能付出高額簽約金的其他
球隊惹




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推 qweewqq: 推
推 Roshiel: 推推....超過簽約金上限會怎麼罰??
→ Roshiel: 罰的不夠重的話，真的就是給他罰
不能超過，是硬上限

推 edhuang: 推推翻譯
推 lochen: 推翻譯
推 andy880036s: PUSH
推 pneumo: 推
推 nickyang: 可以超過上限是舊制，那邊是過去式
剛剛查了新版CBA，是硬上限沒錯
※ 編輯: ChrisDavis (36.225.73.180), 11/09/2017 22:47:10
推 JohnLackey: 三成的好朋友
推 zzxxcc88: 翻譯推
推 JButton: 這個制度說實話有點微妙，出發點是好的，但根本不管球員
→ JButton: 的能力到哪裡
推 doa2: 新制度下除非火腿有答應大谷打幾年就可以入札..
推 TokyoHard: 火腿是最不需要關心的吧
推 Cishang: 我是覺得限制 25這年齡有點太大 你說20還差不多
推 jiaaa1014: 推好懂
推 Cishang: 喔 不對 這是保護政策
推 ocean11: yoyodiy：
推 sylviehsiang: NYY有那麼多錢可簽可見早有規劃
推 sdiaa: 不可能20啦 20比可以選秀的大學生還年輕...
推 catsondbs: 這個制度就是幫忙欺壓球員偏球團的不是嗎(?)
→ sdiaa: 以後高中畢業沒選好的都去日本過一下水 變FA回來海薛一筆
推 iambiaggi: 洋基七月的時候就開始交易簽約金額度了，農場太肥了xd
推 e920528: 推翻譯
推 WTF555666: 國聯哪隊可以要他，不希望他失去了打擊的一面
推 pujos: 這制度是為了讓老美球員平衡一點的
→ pujos: 憑啥美國人要選秀走小聯盟，海外球員可以直接大約空降大聯
→ pujos: 盟，美國人比較弱比較細漢嗎？
→ pujos: 別說啥壓榨，25歲前走入札，不能簽大約起碼還有選球隊的權
→ pujos: 力，美國人一樣不行
→ pujos: 這種制度本來就是後門，國際球員爽用
推 thisgo: 彰化之光XDD
推 tywei: 還有一個漏洞，台灣和大聯盟沒有posting rule，火腿可以先
→ tywei: 賣給台灣球隊，台灣球隊再轉手給美國，這是沒有辦法限制的
→ ChrisDavis: 樓上你這個方法還是要走國際選秀制度阿XD
※ 編輯: ChrisDavis (36.225.73.180), 11/10/2017 00:10:01
推 tywei: 火腿不會care大谷拿多少，他們care自己拿多少
→ tywei: 台灣球隊還能順手賺一筆 XD
推 pujos: 是針對25歲做限制，不是入札
→ pujos: 能賺什麼....
推 minnesota: 翻得好順
→ minnesota: 請問大谷可以口頭承諾，未來薪水以任何形式捐給火腿嗎
→ minnesota: 捐個球場大螢幕，捐個草皮，或捐給基金會什麼的
→ minnesota: 反正能讓火腿今年乖乖收下300萬美金然後閉嘴就行
推 pujos: 是合約總值的15~20%
推 tywei: CBA的規定大谷的合約就是被限制住了，新的posting system
→ minnesota: 新球隊不能給球員暗盤，那球員可以自己給前東家暗盤嗎
→ tywei: 球隊能拿的錢就少了，除非他兩年後才去，台灣球隊出3000萬
推 eden3q: 捧到我都會看不下去XDDDD別再捧了
→ tywei: 賣給美國球隊6000萬，其實是沒有任何規定的
→ tywei: 直接賣不需要經過posting system因為沒有規則
→ ChrisDavis: 但是她還是得經過國際選秀阿
→ pujos: 國際簽約金是總額制...end，不能花的你想多出一毛都不行
推 eden3q: 翻得很好讀，謝謝！
推 tywei: 大谷的簽約金只能那麼多，買賣大谷的錢和大谷的簽約金是兩
→ tywei: 回事...........
→ pujos: 再來你猜日米間的協議會不會讓你這樣玩
→ ChrisDavis: 現在就是你只能花這些錢買大谷
→ ChrisDavis: 所以像條子如果3M梭哈就代表他們沒錢簽其他國際新秀
推 tywei: 人在台灣球隊手上的話，為什麼會受美日合約的限制？
→ tywei: Bonus pool只限制住給球員的錢，沒有限制你買斷的金額
→ tywei: 美日的合約限制住日本只能拿多少金額的標金
新版CBA的規則是:只要你未滿25歲且海外聯盟年資六年以下，想要進入大聯盟

全部都得經過國際選秀這輪，管你從哪一國來
※ 編輯: ChrisDavis (36.225.73.180), 11/10/2017 00:25:27
推 tywei: 沒有國際選秀...........
應該說是國際業餘自由球員這條規範來走，她就算跑到台灣來

他年資未滿六年又在25歲以下，所有球隊要簽他，他還是只能拿小聯盟約跟池裡的簽約金
※ 編輯: ChrisDavis (36.225.73.180), 11/10/2017 00:27:39
→ pujos: 你不會覺得MLB球團買人，合約可以不經過大聯盟同意吧
→ pujos: 當國際選秀玩假的噢，可以隨便繞
推 tywei: 大谷拿多少錢和球隊拿到多少錢是兩回事
→ ChrisDavis: ...我文中寫得很清楚,我建議你回去看看
→ ChrisDavis: 只要非美加波這三國的球員進來大聯盟通通要照規則走
推 tywei: 大谷拿多少錢，照規則，球隊花多少錢買斷沒有規定
→ tywei: 這是兩件事情，不是一件事情
→ tywei: 有球隊想要買王柏融，王拿的錢要照規則，但美國和台灣沒有
→ tywei: posting system，所以是直接出價跟球隊買，只是他們出不到
→ tywei: LM要的金額
→ tywei: 大谷在日本走posting，火腿拿到的錢不會算在bonus pool
→ tywei: 在台灣不用posting，球隊拿到的買斷金也不會算入額度
→ ChrisDavis: ok,我了解你的意思，只是我想美方應該沒這麼傻
→ ChrisDavis: 聯盟應該也不會這麼蠢，就讓這項這樣過XD
推 tywei: 這不是聯盟蠢不蠢的問題，如果火腿真的要這樣賺錢，無法可
→ tywei: 管
→ ChrisDavis: 雖然叫CP腿嘛但是這種事情應該還是不會發生吧XD
→ pujos: 哪來無法可管，MLB不批你這合約等於無效
→ pujos: 就不要MLB最後認定是硬上限，總和一起包
噓 t340081231: 繼續吹 等著看哪隊盤子簽他當下一個井川慶
推 tywei: 球隊要花多少錢買FA那是球隊的事情，只要FA符合規定，沒有
→ tywei: 規定的事情就沒有違規，以前的競標有規定不可以付5000多萬
→ tywei: 買達比修嗎？大聯盟球隊是不會在意可以自由出價買下的
推 gx9900824: 我怎麼找不到yoyodiy呢 QQ
推 Cishang: 火腿要這樣賺也是合情合理,除非你認為日職保護日職不重要
→ pujos: 以前的競標沒有“定”上限
→ pujos: 現在有
→ pujos: 可以隨便綁個職業隊就去突破international pool money，那
→ pujos: 這個制度還玩個屁
推 tywei: posting system只存在於美國對日本和對韓國你知道嗎
→ tywei: 大谷領的錢還是要受bonus pool限制，但沒有限制日韓以外的
→ tywei: 球隊只能拿多少錢
→ pujos: 哪來受限
→ pujos: 真能綁那些賣球員的牽勾仔，第一個就是找隻球隊綁
→ pujos: 真的不要把其他人當笨蛋
→ PlayStation3: 十年來如一日阿某個人
推 acd51874: 球員如果從日韓的球隊直接被美方買斷，那日韓的球團能
→ acd51874: 拿到的入札金額是被規則所限的，如果CP腿把大谷弄到台灣
→ acd51874: 隊伍後在賣去美國，就不受入札制度的限制了，這種鑽漏洞
→ acd51874: 方法MLB應該是沒法可約束的
推 niravaabhas: 鑽漏洞,以後會補起來www
推 BlakeSnell: 推翻譯用心XDDD 感覺大谷意志堅定 但如果是新版CP腿會
→ BlakeSnell: 不想放
推 rubeinlove: 推翻譯！
推 Shauter: 難得認真文 一樓居然是Z尻給推 XD
→ Shauter: 另外居然出現超級大咖TY
推 noahlin: 新版算法火腿連1M都拿不到 這不可能賣吧
→ noahlin: 日職放個好一點的RP入札 球團拿的都會超過1M
推 sylviehsiang: 火腿：我有一批好貴的二手車 大谷你不買嗎?
→ sylviehsiang:                                的老婆
推 a2156700: 剝削
推 Tulowitzki2: 應該是球速比Hunter Greene快，不是腳程，Greene是SP
推 Aaronko: 腳程沒錯吧，McKay和Greene也都是以雙刀流著名的新秀
推 sbmylife: 推推
推 ultratimes: 大谷來大聯盟只是誤闖叢林的小白兔而已
→ ultratimes: 大聯盟不怕速球，更何況想雙刀根本看不起大聯盟
推 chen5512: 感覺過水台灣的作法MLB官方會以不符新版CBA精神而合約被
→ chen5512: 取消
→ mightymouse: 大谷吸引老美的不只速球，滑球指叉球都是plus以上
推 sdiaa: 真賣來台灣打一年再轉賣 MLB可能會睜一隻眼閉一隻眼
→ sdiaa: 直接轉口貿易 MLB當局又不是瞎子~
→ sdiaa: 用包裹簽約然後轉移給特定球員來規避上限都會被處罰了
推 triff: 任何人只要有三百萬美金，都可以參加.....
推 frank94: 大聯盟不怕速球 Verlander表示：
→ frank94: 當然只有速球沒人怕你 但若還有不錯的兩個球種搭配呢？
推 azlbf: MLB跟NBA不同 ，只要沒規定就可以做
→ azlbf: 請看Boros怎樣鑽洞戲耍MLB
→ azlbf: MLB可沒有Baseball reason
推 puppetired: 推。
推 saiulbb: 謝謝分享 CD難得這麼正經            下一篇你問QO看到XD
推 triff: 這遊戲規則感覺還是有漏洞可以使用.....
推 magicmanny: 翻譯真不錯
推 sylviehsiang: 規則是人想出來的 漏洞只能防堵 無法根絕
→ chdc: 連一年都不用啊 左手買右手賣名字過水而已 人一樣直接去美
→ chdc: 玩這招下一年一定被堵起來 可是今年就是沒這個規定啊XD
推 tywei: 大聯盟的規定很多，沒規定的也很多，不只聯盟會漏，連球隊
→ tywei: 都不一定清楚，有興趣可以去查Juan Duran的簽約過程，有時
→ tywei: 候事情並不是大家想的那麼理所當然，把大谷轉手再賣這件事
→ tywei: 是可行而且有球隊知道，所以聯盟才會想要讓他能順利posting
→ tywei: ，這樣才不會出現美日協議的FA/競標兩條規則之外的事情
→ walaykao: 竟然有人懷疑 tyw... 真的是太嫩了 XD
推 tywei: https://goo.gl/nX7emK <- 這故事很有趣
推 UmeiU: 翻的好耶