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曼聯恥辱輸球後再傳醜聞 隊長基恩挑起紅魔更大內亂 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://sports.sina.com.cn 2005年11月01日09:34 新浪體育 新浪體育訊 “是貝斯特病得重還是曼聯病得重?”這個問題已經讓所有紅魔人頭痛不 已了。在河畔球場輸掉了3分和尊嚴後,弗格森又要面對一場更大的風波,基恩開炮了。    北京時間週四淩晨,曼聯將客場迎戰法國勁旅里爾。然而就在曼聯準備忘記前一場恥辱 性失利,改頭換面重新出征的時候,正在養傷的基恩突然對隊友們的拙劣表現進行了猛烈 的批評。今天出版的《泰晤士報》、《太陽報》等多家英國媒體都在重要位置刊登了這條 消息。《泰晤士報》的標題是:曼聯按下了恐慌的按鈕……    事情的起因源於一段已經被封殺的錄影。敗走河畔球場後,曼聯電視臺的一擋傳統節目 《賽事權威》邀請基恩點評一下球隊失利的原因。這原本是個“走過場”的節目,在輸球 之後,嘉賓往往會說一些泛泛的話,然後鼓勵一下隊友,安慰一下球迷。不過與弗格森一 樣直率的愛爾蘭鐵漢這次一反常態,將炮口直接對準了在比賽中表現差勁的隊友。《太陽 報》透露,被隊長指名批評的球員有五人,分別是主力後腰史密斯、後衛奧謝、替補上場 的理查森、中場球員弗萊徹和米勒。而《泰晤士報》認為,身價3000萬英鎊的斐迪南也難 以逃脫基恩的責難。    基恩到底說了什麼?這是一個謎。因為這段錄影迅速被曼聯有關人員封殺。太陽報認為 是弗格森下令換掉這期節目,泰晤士報含糊地說,是管理階層的決定,並稱曼聯首席執行 官大衛吉爾證實,這期節目"不准播放"。到目前位置,曼聯官方發言人和曼聯電視臺負責 人都拒絕對此次節目內容突然變更做出解釋和評論。從曼聯高層人員的態度中不難發現, 基恩的話遠不止批評這麼簡單。或許愛爾蘭人罵了什麼難聽的話,或是說出了些不能讓大 家知道的內幕。總是事態極其嚴重,以至於被全面封殺。    紅魔真的病了,不僅是人員狀態上大不如前,而且隊內的團結氣氛也降至了冰點。最可 悲的是,弗格森手中已經打不出什麼新牌了,現階段他只能用這撥人去征戰各個賽事。所 謂的反彈頂多是精神上的。至於挑起這場內亂的當事人,太陽報甚至悲觀地認為,基恩將 因此失去與曼聯續約的可能。反倒是基恩本人對此不太在意,他不止一次地表示,這是最 後一個賽季。看來弗格森苦心經營的一座曼聯王朝,已經走到坍塌的邊緣。(黎璐) -- the first rule of the fight club is do not talk about the fight club -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.139.58.214 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- < 作者: punkdd (每天戒酒一小時) 看板: ManUtd 標題: Re: 曼聯恥辱輸球後再傳醜聞 隊長基恩挑起紅魔更大 … 時間: Tue Nov 1 13:20:37 2005 Keane gagged by United after TV attack on players 自家電視台批評球員之後,基恩被下封口令。 Daniel Taylor Tuesday November 1, 2005 The Guardian Manchester United's season went from bad to worse last night when Roy Keane castigated his team-mates in an interview so explosive that Sir Alex Ferguson and his chief executive David Gill immediately banned it from being shown on the club's in-house television station. 大意是說昨晚Keano在MUTV的節目上嚴厲的訓斥球員, 因為實在太過爆炸性,所以弗老跟Gill把節目抽掉了。 Keane's criticisms of United's players were so extreme that MUTV's producers decided they would have to contact Ferguson and Gill for permission to put it on the air. A transcript was sent to Gill and, with Ferguson's backing, he ordered that the tape must be binned. MUTV showed a youth academy match instead. Keane的批評太過於極端,因此MUTV的製作群決定要連絡弗老和Gill來決定播不播。 兩人決定把節目抽掉,MUTV再同時段放了一場青年隊的比賽。 The exact content of Keane's vitriol is not known but MUTV officials were described as being genuinely taken aback by the severity of his comments. The Keane rant has become an annual part of United's season in recent years but never before has he named names. Keane這幾年常常訓斥球隊,但之前從未指名道姓。 Rio Ferdinand, Darren Fletcher, Alan Smith, John O'Shea and Kieran Richardson are believed to be among those named and shamed in the aftermath of Saturday's 4-1 defeat away to Middlesbrough, their heaviest defeat in 19 months. Liam Miller, who did not play at the Riverside, is also said to have been identified. 大概就是Rio,Fletch,Alan,O'Shea,Richy,還有Liam。 Keane took aim during a 30-minute interview that was scheduled to go out at 5.30pm yesterday in a show entitled Roy Keane Plays the Pundit, in which he was shown video clips of Middlesbrough's goals and asked to give his opinions. According to those who were present, it became obvious within 10 minutes that the interview would be "explosive even by his standards" and beyond editing. On numerous occasions he was invited to tone down his words but the man who once claimed there was nobody in the Old Trafford dressing room whom he considered a friend continued to condemn Ferguson's players. He accused individuals of playing with their reputations, of not trying and of not understanding the principles of the club. "His attitude stinks" is a phrase that was apparently used. Ferguson's use of Smith in midfield was also thought to have been questioned. 我想這大概是在說Rio吧.... It remains to be seen how Keane, currently recuperating from a broken foot, will react to the interview being pulled when he clearly wanted his feelings to be known. Gill is thought to have tried to contact the United captain to explain his reasoning. One certainty, however, is that the outburst will not help United's bid to dissuade Keane from leaving the club when his contract expires at the end of the season. A fiercely proud man, Keane is not the type to accept being gagged and, at the age of 34 and with 12 years' service to the club, he is entitled to feel that he is in a position to make his anger known. 球季結束之後Keane似乎不太可能留在球隊了, 他的個性不會接受被封口, 而且以他的年資,他覺得他對球隊的感覺必須被聽到。 Although Keane has been outspoken in the past, he has always argued that his criticism of players is constructive. It could be more divisive in terms of dressing-room morale that his colleagues will now be wondering what has been said about them. 雖然Keane以往常常批評,但他總是認為那是建設性的。 但現在的情況可能會造成更衣室內士氣更低落,意見更分歧, 因為其他人會開始響Keane到底說了他們什麼壞話。 United's hierarchy, in turn, are appalled that the club captain could be so condemnatory of his colleagues and willing, apparently, to create the impression that the club is in disarray. They believe his tirade would have done more harm than good and there was no way they could allow the screening an interview that effectively amounted to a calculated attack on attitude, morale and work ethic. The club desperately wanted to keep the matter from the press and MUTV officials have been ordered to make no comment. 這段真是太慘了... 大概就是說領導階害怕Keane一再批評他的同僚, 並且怕他想傳達出曼聯目前混亂的狀況,但這似乎正是他想做的。 他們認為Keane的作法弊多於利,他們不可能讓這則專訪播出, 因為這是對球隊的態度、士氣和工作倫理嚴重的攻擊。 目前官方的說法是無可奉告... -- the first rule of the fight club is do not talk about the fight club -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.139.58.214
pago:費迪南來了後 後防變好了 士氣反而越來越差 11/01 14:35
giggs:你確定廢迪南來了後防有變好碼?? -_-"" 11/01 15:11
Okuthor:他沒去藥檢被禁賽前還蠻好的,他禁賽期間也還好,不過他復 11/01 15:19
Okuthor:出之後我就不予置評了。 11/01 15:20
u1302094:這根本就是掩耳盜鈴。我們的吹風機上哪去了? 11/01 15:23
GoldSky:廢迪南... 11/01 16:14
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- < 作者: punkdd (每天戒酒一小時) 看板: ManUtd 標題: Re: 曼聯恥辱輸球後再傳醜聞 隊長基恩挑起紅魔更大 … 時間: Tue Nov 1 13:27:15 2005 只能說屋漏偏逢連夜雨.... Keano這種人會出來爆走也是正常的... 沒想到弗老晚年竟然有種眾叛親離,心有餘而力不足的無奈.... 不過很明顯的..以Keano的資歷和身份, 他會鬧出這樣的事情,代表球隊內部一定有很誇張的情況.... 看到這樣風雨飄搖的曼聯.. 說真的我已經不知道該從哪裡擔心起了.... 只能說時代不一樣了.... 現在的球員所關心的,所需要的,跟Keano這種老派球員顯然格格不入.. 但這些新的態度對球隊有害嗎? 嗯..我個人認為如果所追求的是一種純粹的精神..以此帶來場上的勝利... 那這絕對是有害的.... 我不會去苛責Keano什麼, 畢竟假如一個靠搬貨和在球場上打泥巴仗長大的小孩能夠當上曼聯不可獲缺的隊長... 少了他馬上哀鴻遍野兵敗如山倒..... 那我真的搞不清楚這群頂著超貴身價的所謂天才是在搞什麼鬼... 不過還是要說, 這只是一場誇張的失利, 就像拿棒球來說,任何王牌投手都可能會被爆, 雖然我們的問題依然存在, 不過也不可忽略這場比賽對方天時地利人和和我們突然大失常的因素, 我相信像這種情況要成為常態也不太可能... 也許踢個幾場像樣的比賽之後大家都會比較冷靜.... -- the first rule of the fight club is do not talk about the fight club -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.139.58.214 ※ 編輯: punkdd 來自: 220.139.58.214 (11/01 13:30) ※ 編輯: punkdd 來自: 220.139.58.214 (11/01 13:36)
lyzsyz:現在MU最需要的就是穩定的勝利 只有這個能讓人們冷靜 11/01 14:35
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- < 作者: semy (相信) 看板: ManUtd 標題: Re: 曼聯恥辱輸球後再傳醜聞 隊長基恩挑起紅魔更大 … 時間: Tue Nov 1 16:05:56 2005 基恩身為老隊長 是除了佛格森之外最有資格開罵的人吧... 就球員態度來說 最令我不滿的是里奧費迪南 在長達八個月的禁賽期間 曼聯給他的是無限的支持與信任 而在他復出之後 球迷給他的是期待的掌聲與期望 經過這樣的事件 費迪南該做的是以忠誠專業的態度來回報球會 但他卻被"最佳後衛""未來隊長"等稱號捧的飄飄然 自以為是了起來 眼睛放在錢而不是球場上 還連帶帶壞了一些小朋友 說出這樣的話其實非常難過 之前我也是拍著手 期望費迪南能成為球隊精神領袖 戴上隊長袖標的球迷之一呀... 曼聯,我對你會不離不棄,但請不要讓我垂頭喪氣... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 210.85.14.240
blurcloud:還我Jaap Stam 啦!!! 11/01 16:26
botakUK: 曼聯,我對你會不離不棄,但請不要讓我垂頭喪氣... 11/01 17:48
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- < 作者: JTerry (英格蘭第一中衛) 看板: ManUtd 標題: Re: 曼聯恥辱輸球後再傳醜聞 隊長基恩挑起紅魔更大 … 時間: Tue Nov 1 17:28:35 2005 ※ 引述《semy (相信)》之銘言: : 基恩身為老隊長 : 是除了佛格森之外最有資格開罵的人吧... : 就球員態度來說 : 最令我不滿的是里奧費迪南 : 在長達八個月的禁賽期間 : 曼聯給他的是無限的支持與信任 : 而在他復出之後 : 球迷給他的是期待的掌聲與期望 : 經過這樣的事件 : 費迪南該做的是以忠誠專業的態度來回報球會 : 但他卻被"最佳後衛""未來隊長"等稱號捧的飄飄然 : 自以為是了起來 眼睛放在錢而不是球場上 : 還連帶帶壞了一些小朋友 : 說出這樣的話其實非常難過 : 之前我也是拍著手 : 期望費迪南能成為球隊精神領袖 : 戴上隊長袖標的球迷之一呀... : 曼聯,我對你會不離不棄,但請不要讓我垂頭喪氣... 關費迪南德屁事 費迪南德快快續約全力比賽就能改變曼聯的現況嗎? 明明是你們遜透的中場讓你們的戰績疲弱不振 戰績一不振 問題自然多 只因他花了你們三千萬 史高師是你們自家養的 費迪南德就被當成史高師的代罪羔羊 真是可憐 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 61.231.46.153
lyzsyz:前面幾篇批評Scholes的也不會少吧 另外Rio這場的失誤 也 11/01 17:38
lyzsyz:是大家有目共睹的 所以才會這樣批他吧 以他的水準和身價 11/01 17:39
lyzsyz:這個賽季出現的失誤也太多了 11/01 17:40
hadawayn:誰願意沒事就批評自己喜歡球隊的球員呢? 但是看看Rio對 11/01 17:41
hadawayn:Fulham跟對boro的比賽~難道他不應該接受點批評嗎? 11/01 17:42
hadawayn:另外~我們自己關門罵小孩~你要看就安靜點看~這麼兇幹麻? 11/01 17:43
JTerry:你們怎麼不想想中場給他的保護有多少 11/01 17:46
JTerry:現在別說壓著打別人 遇到一定水準的別被壓著打就該偷笑了 11/01 17:46
JTerry:這種疲弱的中場叫前鋒怎麼進球 叫後衛怎麼不失球 11/01 17:46
JTerry:中場不改進 那個天王前鋒跟後衛來也救不了曼聯 11/01 17:47
hadawayn:....你有看最近曼聯的比賽嗎? 對fulham時~Rio在禁區旁跟 11/01 17:48
hadawayn:Collins John一對一時~看到對方手球~於是不防守~只顧著舉 11/01 17:49
hadawayn:手跟裁判示意~裁判不買帳~所以被進球了~另外一球~任意球 11/01 17:50
hadawayn:對方踢出來~他收腳讓范德薩猝不及防~又被進~球評說這種 11/01 17:50
hadawayn:行為會讓人看起來像在梯假球~雖然我不這麼認為~你認為這 11/01 17:51
hadawayn:些失球~難道不是他該負起的責任嗎? 或許中場給他的保護的 11/01 17:52
hadawayn:確不夠~但是以他3000萬英磅的身價~別人可以容許他發生這 11/01 17:52
hadawayn:些這麼低級的失誤嗎? 11/01 17:53
punkdd:吵什麼把Rio賣去原po家不就搞定了? 11/01 18:07
punkdd:我看原po也是旁觀者搞不清楚。最近球隊的困境每一個球員都 11/01 18:08
punkdd:有責任..你如果說Rio沒責任那我還真是認了。但是每個球迷立 11/01 18:09
punkdd:場不同,喜歡的球員不同,看的角度也不同。當然對某些他有 11/01 18:09
punkdd:特別好惡的球員有比較多的感想,就像我一直很度爛范尼,很 11/01 18:09
punkdd:支持Smith也是大家都知道的,所以當球隊狀況不好時我當然選 11/01 18:10
punkdd:這兩人多講幾句,等切爾西戰績不好的時候我想你就會懂了。 11/01 18:10
punkdd:還有Scholes開季就這樣,老梗了,很多人已經懶的理他了。 11/01 18:11
punkdd:更何況Scholes跟Rio各方面狀況都不一樣,三千萬只是其一。 11/01 18:13
SKIN902:關門放狗... JC請至櫃臺領回原po? XD 11/01 18:16
Nodick:先不評論原po文章的正確性...但是語氣實在太差 11/01 18:18
Nodick:到別人家裡亂吼真的很沒禮貌... 11/01 18:19
punkdd:沒關係啦~後衛當然護著後衛啊~ 11/01 18:20
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- < 作者: mulkcs (mulkcs) 看板: ManUtd 標題: Re: 曼聯恥辱輸球後再傳醜聞 隊長基恩挑起紅魔更大 … 時間: Tue Nov 1 18:21:43 2005 ※ 引述《JTerry (英格蘭第一中衛)》之銘言: : ※ 引述《semy (相信)》之銘言: : : 基恩身為老隊長 : : 是除了佛格森之外最有資格開罵的人吧... : : 就球員態度來說 : : 最令我不滿的是里奧費迪南 : : 在長達八個月的禁賽期間 : : 曼聯給他的是無限的支持與信任 : : 而在他復出之後 : : 球迷給他的是期待的掌聲與期望 : : 經過這樣的事件 : : 費迪南該做的是以忠誠專業的態度來回報球會 : : 但他卻被"最佳後衛""未來隊長"等稱號捧的飄飄然 : : 自以為是了起來 眼睛放在錢而不是球場上 : : 還連帶帶壞了一些小朋友 : : 說出這樣的話其實非常難過 : : 之前我也是拍著手 : : 期望費迪南能成為球隊精神領袖 : : 戴上隊長袖標的球迷之一呀... : : 曼聯,我對你會不離不棄,但請不要讓我垂頭喪氣... : 關費迪南德屁事 : 費迪南德快快續約全力比賽就能改變曼聯的現況嗎? : 明明是你們遜透的中場讓你們的戰績疲弱不振 : 戰績一不振 問題自然多 : 只因他花了你們三千萬 史高師是你們自家養的 : 費迪南德就被當成史高師的代罪羔羊 真是可憐 我覺得這位老兄 會不會太衝呀 其實 你要表明的不就是 曼聯的防守爛是因為中場薄弱嗎 那就這一句話 幹嘛牽扯那麼多事情 而且用詞不雅 這不是在吵架ok! 而且 中場疲弱 真的是scholes的錯嗎 我覺得是 Smith... 加油呀 smith! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.112.242.52
Nodick:中場真的很軟... 11/01 18:21
punkdd:Smith:"Scholes先的...."(無辜指....) 11/01 18:23
Okuthor:推樓上........................ 11/01 18:25
kuranyi:推"Scholes先的..."(無辜指... ) 11/01 18:25
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- < 作者: uranusjr (←這人是超級笨蛋) 看板: ManUtd 標題: Re: 曼聯恥辱輸球後再傳醜聞 隊長基恩挑起紅魔更大 … 時間: Wed Nov 2 21:36:28 2005 ※ 引述《kaneggyy (我是Messi控XD)》之銘言: : Skysports上舉辦的投票 : Was Keane right to criticise his teammates? : Yes: 87% : No: 13% NO. Roy Keane has every right to express his feelings, but he did not think Manchester United as a team more than those "selfish teammates" as he declared. Criticises may be good, but only when made by the ace, the coach, or someone like that. An injured old captain that can't run fast enough and hadn't played a game for months doesn't qualify that group. Roy Keane was very unsmart to have made this kind of comment during season time. But I must be fair though, that he wasn't wrong about the commets he made. And he wasn't the stupidest person anyway, those who LET EVERYONE KNEW that Roy Keane criticised someone (who?) about shomething (what?) BUT REFUSED TO BROADCAST IT were the ones to blame. And who the fuck did this? Fuck them. And you know who they are don't you. -_- -- 「我最想要的同伴嘛,首先是要笑口常開,其次是我們能永遠不會發生誤會。 如果這些都能辦到的話,嗯,如果他是世界上第一流的橋手,也還不錯。」 -- 班尼多‧加羅素,前義大利藍隊成員 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.136.219.132 ※ 編輯: uranusjr 來自: 220.136.219.132 (11/02 21:37)
botakUK:曼板英文化....XD 11/02 21:44
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- < 作者: uranusjr (←這人是超級笨蛋) 看板: ManUtd 標題: Re: 曼聯恥辱輸球後再傳醜聞 隊長基恩挑起紅魔更大 … 時間: Wed Nov 2 21:47:22 2005 Let's talk more about this. As I just said, I consider Roy Keane "unsmart" to have made the criticise. He should make commets, yes, and maybe he needs to yell, to criticise, maybe. But this one he made has the timing as good as Alan Smith's tackle when playing in Keane's position. An off-season talk may save the team, and some after-match commets may help them find their mistakes. But criticising right after a disaster that he didn't get involved at all made this nearly 40 veteran look like a crying kid, or maybe more like, as I would definately like to say, a barking dog that can't get a bone. I understand him being impatient, for he so want to help the team but can't do nothing on the pitch. As Captain of Manchester United, I hope Roy Keane was being emotional and didn't mean it. If not, maybe we need a new captain. This one can't do the trick. Even if so, maybe a captain being emotinal "off the pitch" was not a good one after all. -- Les grandes et les meilleurs tone from "Zadok the Priest" Eine grosse stattliche Veranstaltung by F. Handel THE MAIN EVENT! These are the men Sie sind die Besten "Champions League" by Tony Britten THESE ARE THE CHAMPIONS! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.136.219.132 ※ 編輯: uranusjr 來自: 220.136.219.132 (11/02 21:48)