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作者: Geigemachen () 看板: Christianity
標題: Re: [問題] 關於Samael....不知適不適合在這裡發問
時間: Wed May 24 03:58:42 2006
基本上，你提到的內容屬於保羅所說”無窮的家譜”與”老婦荒渺的言語”吧..XDD
When He would join the body He had formed out of the dust with the soul He
had made on the first day, the angelic host who knew the power that man was
about to receive from God murmured against his making. And the chief of those
who murmured was that angel who was amongst the highest in the angelic host,
whose wings were twelve where the others' wings were six, the angel whose
name was Samael. Samael said, "Thou didst create us from the splendour of the
Shekinah, and now thou dost plan to set above us the creature whom thou hast
fashioned out of the dust of the ground." Man would have perished through the
fire which Samael would have put upon him if it had not been for the
protecting hand that God held over him. The Almighty cast Samael and his host
out of heaven, and from that time that angelic prince is known as Satan.
※ 引述《KaneNod (墮滅祭司)》之銘言：
: 在猶太傳說中
: 薩麥爾(Samael,或Sammael)
: 是第一名反叛的天使， 神造世界之初的大天使薩麥爾
他墮落以後，就被稱為Satan撒旦(抵擋者,仇敵)
: 「薩麥爾」不肯跪拜於亞當之前，
^^^^
這出自於The Life of Adam and Eve
http://www.bcholmes.org/wicca/satan.html
This is interesting, though: Richard Marshall says that a Jewish text called
The Life of Adam and Eve dating from the first century BC identifies the
serpent of eden with Samael, the angel who rebels when God orders the
heavenly host to worship Adam. Samael says that "he will build a throne above
the stars and proclaim himself the highest of all beings. His angels rally
round in agreement, and the Archangel promptly throws them all out of heaven
and down into a deep dark dungeon."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_angel
He wanted His angels to acknowledge man by bowing down to Him, but some of
the angels did not obey His mandate. The origin of this idea is most likely
the "Book of Adam and Eve", an apocryphal text which most scholars agree was
written somewhere near the end of the 1st century AD.
XIII: The devil replied, 'Adam, what dost thou tell me? It is for thy sake
that I have been hurled from that place. When thou wast formed, I was hurled
out of the presence of God and banished from the company of the angels. When
God blew into thee the breath of life and thy face and likeness was made in
the image of God, Michael also brought thee and made (us) worship thee in the
sight of God; and God the Lord spake: Here is Adam. I have made thee in our
image and likeness.'
XIV: And Michael went out and called all the angels saying: 'Worship the
image of God as the Lord God hath commanded.' And Michael himself worshipped
first; then he called me and said: 'Worship the image of God the Lord.' And I
answered, 'I have no (need) to worship Adam.' And since Michael kept urging
me to worship, I said to him, 'Why dost thou urge me? I will not worship an
inferior and younger being. I am his senior in the Creation, before he was
made was I already made. It is his duty to worship me.'
XV: When the angels who were under me heard this, they refused to worship
him. And Michael saith, 'Worship the image of God, but if thou wilt not
worship him, the Lord God will be wroth with thee.' And I said, 'If He be
wroth with me, I will set my seat above the stars of heaven and will be like
the Highest.'
: 並說出：「憑何要我這聖火所生的天使，跪拜一個塵沙造出的身軀。」之叛逆之言。
”聖火”指Shekinah，神的同在，或是神的榮耀光輝的意思
: 請問這段敘述出自猶太的光輝之書或塔木德經?或是其他經典?
^^^^^^
Book of Adam and Eve/ The Life of Adam and Eve
塔木德經有提到，只是把Samael也當作以掃／以東的守護天使。
猶太的光輝之書似乎沒有（以Sefer ha Zohar,samael當關鍵字查不到
什麼交集）
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samael
Samael is an important figure in Talmudic and post-Talmudic lore, a figure
who is accuser, seducer, and destroyer. Legends mentioning Satan refer
equally to him, such that Samael is often taken to be the true or angelic
name of the Devil, as opposed to the epithet, Lucifer (light-bearer), which
is based on a dual fulfillment verse against the King of Babylon (Isaiah
14:4,12), or his functional title, Satan (adversary). However, Samael cannot
always be simply identified with Satan, because some translations of the Book
of Enoch confirm Satan's angelic name to be Satanail.
In Judaism
In Jewish lore, he is said to be the Angel of Death, the chief ruler of the
Seventh Heaven, one of the seven regents of the world served by two million
angels. Yalkut I, 110 of the Talmud speaks of Samael as Esau's guardian
angel. In Sotah 10b, Samael is Edom's guardian angel, and in the Sayings of
Rabbi Eliezer, he is charged with being the one who tempted Eve, then seduced
and impregnated her with Cain. Though some sources identify Gadreel as the
angel that seduced Eve, other Hebrew scholars say that it was Samael who
tempted Eve in the guise of the Serpent. Samael is also sometimes identified
as being the angelic antagonist that wrestled Jacob at Esau, and as being the
angel that held back the arm of Abraham as he was about to sacrifice his son.
: 由於不知道原文 所以在尋找出處時發生了困難....
: 這裡是目前找到唯一符合的描述 但並無標明出處
: http://www.sacred-texts.com/etc/omw/omw28.htm
: 請協助我解決這困擾我已久的問題 感謝各位....
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