作者yushi (瓶子)
看板NBA
標題交易之外
時間Wed Jan 7 14:44:02 2004
在尼克與太陽的交易之中，有一位球員吸引了我的注意，不是馬大少，也不是
一分錢，也不是上帝，我要說的是 -- Charlie Ward，一個在現役球員中除了
Reggie Miller 之外
待在同一支球隊最久的球員。
他從 1994 年選秀會第一輪第 26 順位被尼克選中後至今都待在老東家，這一
季是他職業生涯的第十個球季，也是他為大蘋果效力的第十年，十年，並不是
一段短的日子，然而，今天他終究還是被送走了。
送走的考量原因有很多，但我並非死忠的尼克球迷，所以關於球技、薪資及給
球隊的貢獻這些方面在這裡暫且不提，我只是覺得可惜，一位所謂「為球隊付
出多年，沒有功勞也有苦勞」的球員就這樣離開，未免有些遺憾，不知道Ward
心中作何感想，他應該很不想離開紐約吧
（Well, 這一句話僅筆者臆測之詞，
別無他意）。
誠如首段所提，Ward 是聯盟現役球員中除了 Reggie Miller 之外待在同一支
球隊第二久的球員，首位的 Reggie Miller 自 1987 年第一輪第 11順位被溜
馬選中後就待在溜馬隊長達 16 年，這一季是第 17 年；而 Ward 是 10 年，
那麼再來第三位是誰呢？答案有三個人，分別是爵士的中鋒 Greg Ostertag、
灰狼的前鋒 Kevin Garnett 以及老鷹的前鋒 Alan Henderson，他們在隊上的
資歷都有 8 年了。到了這裡應該有人會問，這個統計不對吧，你看湖人 F4中
的兩老 Malone、Payton 不就分別在爵士與超音速各效力長達 18、13 年嗎？
怎麼沒有把他們算進去呢？嗯，說的對，不過這裡要再詳細一點強調的是，這
個統計是以該球員自選秀開始都待在同一支球隊算起，也就是從未轉隊過的，
所以原本 Malone、Payton 都有算在內，只是他們這一季都選擇了離開老東家
，這個離隊原因也不再多提，無關乎對錯，只是一種觀察。
回到 Ward 身上，Ward的第二名紀錄很輕易的就被「交易」兩個字切斷，這多
少說明了球員的無奈，不是我不想留，而是決定權不在我，現實總是殘酷且無
情的。球團要養你可以有很多理由，但他不要你的時候你連說不的機會也沒有
，呃，好吧，話不要說的太死，也許有吧，如果你是這支球隊的「神主牌」的
話，像是溜馬的 Reggie Miller不需多言球團就會自動留下他（不然印州會發
生暴動）；或是七六人的 Allen Iverson曾說過「我希望整個職業生涯都為費
城打球，我不想離開這裡」。招牌人物說話了，球團自然得看重，所以結論就
是，Ward 你等級不夠，球團不需要鳥你，唉，這該說是命嗎？
其實每一個球團在選秀當下的思維，當然都會希望選到的是一個寶，一個能夠
讓你養十幾年完全不會想把他賣掉的的寶，誰不希望擁有黃金十八年的郵差、
誰不希望擁有黃金十三年的手套，不過這年頭要找到這樣球員跟球團一個鼻孔
出氣、能夠體會到互助互信關係的例子實在越來越少了，也許 Iverson有機會
，也許 Garnett 也有機會，但至少 Ward 是沒機會了，所以我為他可惜。
Malone 和 Payton的例子我也覺得很可惜，未能始終如一待在同一支球隊，不
過人各有志，強求沒有意義。做為 Reggie Miller 的支持者，Reg' Fans的最
大希望應該是祈求 Miller 也能像前馬刺球星 David Robinson 一樣，十四年
的精華都奉獻給馬刺隊，然後在笑擁金盃時退休，上將很幸運，擁有最美好的
結局，不知道 Miller 是否也有這樣的機會，我們期待著這一刻。
這是一篇跟尼克太陽交易沒什麼關係的文章，只是有感而發，只是為某個球員
惋惜。回頭想想，交易的力量真可怕，可以在一夕之間改變兩支球隊，一支球
隊戰力水漲船高（雖然要燒很多錢），另一支球隊則邁向重建。比較起來，用
選秀培養球員戰力就需要較多的成本，而且還有可能血本無歸，不過我個人卻
比較喜歡「選秀挖寶找金子」這種方式，原因無他，支持一支球隊，是支持他
的心，跟著找來的新血小朋友一起成長，看他們進步、看他們撞牆、再看著他
們成為球隊主力、成為Leader、成為神主牌，這種感動，是千萬個交易所換不
來，最後，看著一個球員從選秀一直到退休都待在同一支球隊，當他退休的那
一天，我想我們會哭吧，因為，我們已經不只是支持他了，我們把心，都給了
他。我想，這就是球迷之所以為球迷的終極意義。
文末，附上兩份統計表，一是從選秀開始到現在都還穿著同一件球衣打球的各
隊符合標準的球員總人數（今年報到的新人不算），二是詳細的球員清單。
附註一：
九人：Pacers
七人：Nets
六人：Lakers, Jazz
五人：Hawks, Bulls, Clippers, SuperSonics, Wizards
四人：Cavaliers, Nuggets, Warriors, Rockets, Bucks, Kings
三人：76ers, Blazers, Spurs, Pistons, Grizzlies, Heat, Suns, Raptors
兩人：Mavericks, Timberwolves, Hornets
一人：Celtics, Magic
零人：Knicks
附註二：（Note 中的 From 指的是
選秀權從哪裡得來的，至於詳細內容就不提了）
：
已經養成主力球員了
：
期許成為下一個主力
Pacers Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Reggie Miller 16 1987 - 1st round (11th overall)
Austin Croshere 6 1997 - 1st round (12th overall)
Al Harrington 5 1998 - 1st round (25th overall)
Jonathan Bender 4 1999 - 1st round ( 5th overall) From TOR
Jeff Foster 4 1999 - 1st round (21st overall) From GSW
Jamaal Tinsley 2 2001 - 1st round (27th overall) From ATL
Jamison Brewer 2 2001 - 2nd round (41st overall)
Primoz Brezec 2 2000 - 1st round (27th overall) 兩年後才報到
Fred Jones 1 2002 - 1st round (14th overall)
James Jones R 2003 - 2nd round (49th overall)
Nets Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Kerry Kittles 7 1996 - 1st round ( 8th overall)
Kenyon Martin 3 2000 - 1st round ( 1st overall)
Richard Jefferson 2 2001 - 1st round (13th overall)
Jason Collins 2 2001 - 1st round (18th overall)
Brandon Armstrong 2 2001 - 1st round (23rd overall)
Brian Scalabrine 2 2001 - 2nd round (35th overall)
Tamar Slay 1 2002 - 2nd round (54th overall)
Zoran Planinic R 2003 - 1st round (22nd overall)
Lakers Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Kobe Bryant 7 1996 - 1st round (13th overall) From CHA
Derek Fisher 7 1996 - 1st round (24th overall)
Devean George 4 1999 - 1st round (23rd overall)
Stanislav Medvedenko 3 None
Kareem Rush 1 2002 - 1st round (20th overall) From TOR
Jannero Pargo 1 None
Brian Cook R 2003 - 1st round (24th overall)
Luke Walton R 2003 - 2nd round (32nd overall)
Jazz Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Greg Ostertag 8 1995 - 1st round (28th overall)
DeShawn Stevenson 3 2000 - 1st round (23rd overall)
Andrei Kirilenko 2 1999 - 1st round (24th overall)
Jarron Collins 2 2001 - 2nd round (53rd overall)
Curtis Borchardt 1 2002 - 1st round (18th overall)
Raul Lopez 1 2001 - 1st round (24th overall)
Aleksandar Pavlovic R 2003 - 1st round (19th overall)
Maurice Williams R 2003 - 2nd round (47th overall)
Ben Handlogten R None
SuperSonics Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Rashard Lewis 5 1998 - 2nd round (32nd overall)
Ansu Sesay 2 1998 - 2nd round (30th overall) From DAL
Vladimir Radmanovic 2 2001 - 1st round (12th overall)
Reggie Evans 1 None
Richie Frahm 1 None
Nick Collison R 2003 - 1st round (12th overall)
Luke Ridnour R 2003 - 1st round (14th overall)
Hawks Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Alan Henderson 8 1995 - 1st round (16th overall)
Chris Crawford 6 1997 - 2nd round (51st overall)
Jason Terry 4 1999 - 1st round (10th overall)
Dion Glover 4 1999 - 1st round (20th overall)
Dan Dickau 1 2002 - 1st round (28th overall) From SAC
Boris Diaw R 2003 - 1st round (21st overall)
Travis Hansen R 2003 - 2nd round (37th overall)
Bulls Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Marcus Fizer 3 2000 - 1st round ( 4th overall)
Jamal Crawford 3 2000 - 1st round ( 8th overall) From CLE
Tyson Chandler 2 2001 - 1st round ( 2nd overall)
Eddy Curry 2 2001 - 1st round ( 4th overall)
Jay Williams 1 2002 - 1st round ( 2nd overall)
Kirk Hinrich R 2003 - 1st round ( 7th overall)
Corie Blount 10 1993 - 1st round (25th overall) *回鍋
Scottie Pippen 16 1987 - 1st round ( 5th overall) From SEA *回鍋
Clippers Exp Draft Note
-------------------- ----------------------------------- --------------
Keyon Dooling 3 2000 - 1st round (10th overall) From ORL
Quentin Richardson 3 2000 - 1st round (18th overall)
Marko Jaric 1 2000 - 2nd round (30th overall)
Chris Wilcox 1 2002 - 1st round ( 8th overall)
Melvin Ely 1 2002 - 1st round (12th overall)
Chris Kaman R 2003 - 1st round ( 6th overall)
Wizards Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- - ----------------------------- --------------
Kwame Brown 2 2001 - 1st round ( 1st overall)
Etan Thomas 2 2000 - 1st round (12th overall) From DAL
Brendan Haywood 2 2001 - 1st round (20th overall) From ORL
Jared Jeffries 1 2002 - 1st round (11th overall)
Juan Dixon 1 2002 - 1st round (17th overall)
Jarvis Hayes R 2003 - 1st round (10th overall)
Steve Blake R 2003 - 2nd round (38th overall)
Cavaliers Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Zydrunas Ilgauskas 6 1996 - 1st round (20th overall)
DeSagana Diop 2 2001 - 1st round ( 8th overall)
Dajuan Wagner 1 2002 - 1st round ( 6th overall)
Carlos Boozer 1 2002 - 2nd round (35th overall)
LeBron James R 2003 - 1st round ( 1st overall)
Jason Kapono R 2003 - 2nd round (31st overall)
Nuggets Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Ryan Bowen 4 1998 - 2nd round (55th overall)
Chris Andersen 2 None
Nikoloz Tskitishvili 1 2002 - 1st round ( 5th overall)
Nene Hilario 1 2002 - 1st round ( 7th overall) From NY
Carmelo Anthony R 2003 - 1st round ( 3rd overall)
Francisco Elson R 1999 - 2nd round (41st overall)
Warriors Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Adonal Foyle 6 1997 - 1st round ( 8th overall)
Jason Richardson 2 2001 - 1st round ( 5th overall)
Troy Murphy 2 2001 - 1st round (14th overall)
Mike Dunleavy 1 2002 - 1st round ( 3rd overall)
Mickael Pietrus R 2003 - 1st round (11th overall)
Rockets Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Cuttino Mobley 5 1998 - 2nd round (41st overall)
Steve Francis 4 1999 - 1st round ( 2nd overall)
Yao Ming 1 2002 - 1st round ( 1st overall)
Bostjan Nachbar 1 2002 - 1st round (15th overall)
Bucks Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Joel Przybilla 3 2000 - 1st round ( 9th overall) From HOU
Michael Redd 3 2000 - 2nd round (43rd overall)
Marcus Haislip 1 2002 - 1st round (13th overall)
Dan Gadzuric 1 2002 - 2nd round (34th overall)
T.J. Ford R 2003 - 1st round ( 8th overall)
Kings Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Lawrence Funderburke 6 1994 - 2nd round (51st overall)
Peja Stojakovic 5 1996 - 1st round (14th overall)
Jabari Smith 3 2000 - 2nd round (45th overall) *回鍋
Gerald Wallace 2 2001 - 1st round (25th overall)
Darius Songaila 1 2002 - 2nd round (50th overall) From BOS
76ers Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Allen Iverson 7 1996 - 1st round ( 1st overall)
Samuel Dalembert 2 2001 - 1st round (26th overall)
John Salmons 1 2002 - 1st round (26th overall) From SA
Kyle Korver R 2003 - 2nd round (51st overall)
Blazers Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Zach Randolph 2 2001 - 1st round (19th overall)
Ruben Bj Bj 2 2001 - 2nd round (50th overall)
Qyntel Woods 1 2002 - 1st round (21st overall)
Travis Outlaw R 2003 - 1st round (23rd overall)
Kaniel Dickens R 2000 - 2nd round (50th overall) From UTH
Matt Carroll R None
Slavko Vranes R 2003 - 2nd round (39th overall) From NY
Spurs Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Tim Duncan 6 1997 - 1st round ( 1st overall)
Tony Parker 2 2001 - 1st round (28th overall)
Manu Ginobili 1 1999 - 2nd round (57th overall)
Alex Garcia R None
Pistons Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Zeljko Rebraca 2 1994 - 2nd round (54th overall) From SEA
Tayshaun Prince 1 2002 - 1st round (23rd overall)
Mehmet Okur 1 2001 - 2nd round (38th overall)
Darko Milicic R 2003 - 1st round ( 2nd overall)
Grizzlies Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Stromile Swift 3 2000 - 1st round ( 2nd overall)
Pau Gasol 2 2001 - 1st round ( 3rd overall)
Shane Battier 2 2001 - 1st round ( 6th overall)
Troy Bell R 2003 - 1st round (16th overall) From BOS
Dahntay Jones R 2003 - 1st round (20th overall) From BOS
Theron Smith R None
Heat Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Malik Allen 2 None
Caron Butler 1 2002 - 1st round (10th overall)
Rasual Butler 1 2002 - 2nd round (53rd overall)
Dwyane Wade R 2003 - 1st round ( 5th overall)
Jerome Beasley R 2003 - 2nd round (33rd overall)
Udonis Haslem R None
Suns Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Shawn Marion 4 1999 - 1st round ( 9th overall)
Amare Stoudemire 1 2002 - 1st round ( 9th overall)
Casey Jacobsen 1 2002 - 1st round (22nd overall)
Zarko Cabarkapa R 2003 - 1st round (17th overall)
Leandro Barbosa R 2003 - 1st round (28th overall) From SA
Raptors Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Vince Carter 5 1998 - 1st round ( 5th overall) From GSW
Morris Peterson 3 2000 - 1st round (21st overall)
Michael Bradley 2 2001 - 1st round (17th overall)
Chris Bosh R 2003 - 1st round ( 4th overall)
Mavericks Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Dirk Nowitzki 5 1998 - 1st round ( 9th overall) From MIL
Eduardo Najera 3 2000 - 2nd round (38th overall) From HOU
Josh Howard R 2003 - 1st round (29th overall)
Marquis Daniels R None
Jon Stefansson R None
Timberwolves Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Kevin Garnett 8 1995 - 1st round ( 5th overall)
Wally Szczerbiak 4 1999 - 1st round ( 6th overall)
Ndudi Ebi R 2003 - 1st round (26th overall)
Keith McLeod R None
Hornets Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Baron Davis 4 1999 - 1st round ( 3rd overall)
Jamaal Magloire 3 2000 - 1st round (19th overall)
David West R 2003 - 1st round (18th overall)
Celtics Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Paul Pierce 5 1998 - 1st round (10th overall)
Marcus Banks R 2003 - 1st round (13th overall) From MEM
Kendrick Perkins R 2003 - 1st round (27th overall) From MEM
Brandon Hunter R 2003 - 2nd round (56th overall)
Magic Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- --- --------------------------- --------------
Steven Hunter 2 2001 - 1st round (15th overall)
Keith Bogans R 2003 - 2nd round (43rd overall) From MIL
Zaza Pachulia R 2003 - 2nd round (42nd overall)
Reece Gaines R 2003 - 1st round (15th overall)
Knicks Exp Draft Note
-------------------- --- ------------------------------- --------------
Mike Sweetney R 2003 - 1st round ( 9th overall)
Frank Williams R 2002 - 1st round (25th overall) From DEN
資料來源：http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/
P.S 製表粗糙，如有錯誤或未補足之處，還請不吝指正，謝謝。
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