作者: Gaspard (de la nuit) 看板: NCTU_IMU95
標題: Re: [代po]音樂論壇(dennis)(暫為代翻)
時間: Mon Oct 30 05:00:43 2006
先自己稍微翻譯一下,有些地方不確定,待dennis之後校正
※ 引述《Gaspard (de la nuit)》之銘言:
> 擎亞託我po以下資料
> 原檔可以在下列網址抓取
> http://w3.nctu.edu.tw/~u9546521/Lupu.doc
> Sherban Lupu 的音樂論壇筆記: (部份only)
> Specialize in the performances of the music of George Enescu
> Bela Bartok
羅馬尼亞、東歐與民謠
羅馬尼亞是「拉丁國家」(Latin origin country)
羅馬尼亞語則與義大利語、法語、葡萄牙語有共同的起源
羅馬尼亞像是被斯洛伐克所環繞的拉丁的島,
在東歐,如匈牙利、羅馬尼亞、捷克、波蘭,民謠扮演很重要的角色
其仍活躍於今日人們的生活。
不像英、法、德國的民謠,重要性在幾百年前便不復見。
英、法、德國的起源與羅馬尼亞不同,也有與東歐非常不同的音樂文化
在東歐的民謠,深受吉普賽影響。
吉普賽是在中世紀從印度來到歐洲的民族
他們不斷遷徙,也因此他們演進、傳播、融合,並影響了其行經區域當地的音樂風格
> Romania, 東歐and Folk tunes
> Romania is a Latin origin country. The language, Romanian is from the same
> family of languages as Italian, French, Spanish and Portuguese. Romania is
> like an island of Latin that is surrounded by Slovakia.
> Folk tunes在東歐, such as Hungary, Romania, Czech, and Poland 伴演很重要的角色
> . They are still alive and are part of daily life.
> 不像英, 法, 德 國, which folk tunes 的重要性早在幾百年前就消失了. 英, 法, 德
> 國were of different origin than that of Romania and that there musical
> culture is very different from that of the Eastern Europe.
> Folk tunes 在東歐 have strong Gypsies influence. Gypsies are people that came
> from India to Europe during the middle ages. They travel a great deal and
> therefore they pass on, transmit, intermingle, and influence many of the
> music styles of their traveled area.
十九世紀民族主義的誕生
Stravinsky(Glinka、Smetana、Sibelius、Dvorak、Copland等人)的音樂
音樂片段
聽了很多段音樂,前三個來自羅馬尼亞北部──
─我的描述:fiddle like;像scottish pipe music的聲音
;動機和羅馬尼亞中部的比起來較短;以一兩個主音為中心加上裝飾;使用微分音階、
trupet violin
之後,來自羅馬尼亞中部及其他地區的音樂片段
─較長的動機(且較接近句子);兩把小提琴以重覆的同音互相競奏。
同時保持音高與節奏的精準是很難的,需要高度技巧
快節奏上常見出入在兩個音樂線條的句子;使用微分音階,不規則的時值切分
> 19th Birth of Nationalism
> music of Stravinsky, (Glinka, Smetana, Sibelius, Dvorak, Copland, and others
> ….)
> Musical Excerpts:
> 聽了很多musical excerpts. 前3首是from Romania北部:
> -my descriptions: -fiddle like; -sounds like Scottish pipe music; -
> shorter motive than the ones from central Romania; - centre on one or two
> keynote with ornamentations; - use of micro tonal scales; -trumpet violin
> 之後的musical excerpts from Romania 中部和其他地方:
> - longer motive (and more phrase like);
> -Two violinists challenge each other by doubling in unison. It is virtuosic
> since it is impossible to keep in tune and on time. Under fast tempo, the
> phase in and out of the two musical lines becomes the norm.
> -use of micro tonal scales and irregular division of times
> Bartok - ethnomusicologist
> - song collecting
> Lupu's comment: "theoretical analysis of Bartok useless? We should approach
> Bartok in the "folklore" point of view"
> Really? This is a very bold statement and Lupu didn't provide a strong
> evidence to back it up. Therefore, anyone could easily attack on this
> comment. (enough said!)
> Problems in Notation in (計譜) folk song collecting
> -limitations 計譜沒辦法很正確的代表原本的Folk tune
> -encourage improvisation 鼓勵即興演奏實行, which encourages individuality.
> -如果all performers 完全按照譜(or原composer 的意思)來很accurate的演奏, then
> we loose the individuality and the spirit of the music
> - Lupu named several outstanding performers (such as Glenn Goud). They are
> very individual, and which is also the reason that prevented them from
> winning competitions.
Bartok──人種音樂學家
歌曲採集:
Lupu說法:對Bartok的理論分析無用?我們應該以民俗的觀點切入Bartok
真的嗎?這是很果斷的陳述,而Lupu未提供有力證據去支持它。
所以大家可以輕易的批評這點
民謠採集的記譜問題
限制─ 記譜沒辦法很正確的代表原本的民謠
鼓勵即興,鼓勵個人化。如果所有演奏者完全照譜來(或照原作的意思),
很正確的演奏,我們便會失去個人化及其音樂精神
Lupu提到一些傑出的演奏者(像是Glenn Gould)。他們是非常個人化的,
也因此難以在比賽得獎
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