[分享] Emma給大家的一封信

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Emma寫了一封信給大家，請我幫忙代po
本人持中立立場，把Emma寫的信放在板上，未做任何更動
我是誰不重要，因內容有圖片，所以我把圖片放在我的FB相簿（我不會做網頁）
我並不想紅，麻煩大家了!!


Dear lovely Taiwanese students at NTU.


I am in a very sad and frustrated position right now.

I have just finished five AMAZING months and NTU and during my stay in Taiwan
I have met a lot of wonderful, amazing people.

I always told my friends in Denmark that Taiwan has some of the nicest people
in the world.

And it is true! I have come to love your amazing country a LOT!

In the beginning of September I moved into the Chang Shing dorm at NTU since
I wanted to live close to the other exchange students and have a social life.

I am a very sociable person and I have previously lived in Australia, France,
London and Saudi-Arabia where I have shared apartments and rooms with all
sorts of people.

When I lived in Australia I even shared an apartment with Chinese people.

And they are still some of my lovely friends today.

The first day that I moved into the dorm I wanted to call my father to tell
him that I had arrived safely and that I was doing well.

I called my father around 3pm in the afternoon in my room in the dorm.

Two minutes into the conversation I hear a knocking on my door.

I tell my father to ‘hold on’ so that I could open.

When I open the door I see my new neighbor asking me to “lower my voice so
that she could practice her French”.

I told her that it was very hard for me to lower my voice as it was just a
normal speaking voice.

Anyways, I still did and accepted her complaint.

Ever since this day, every time I would Skype, dry my hair, listen to music
(I would NEVER listen to techno and never after 10pm or before 8am), she
would complain.

I am just a normal girl trying to live my life and I did ONLY normal things.

I have also been travelling a lot during my stay in Taiwan so I was hardly in
my room at all.

But whenever I was, I always felt absolutely horrible.

I knew that if my phone rang, I could not pick it up because that would mean
that I would have a ‘knocking’ on my wall.

Even if my new friends called me to ask if I wanted to come down for dinner I
was afraid of picking up my phone.

Therefore I wrote my neighbor a letter in September, telling her that I think
that I hoped she would appreciate the fact that I have to make phone calls
and that because of the time difference I would sometimes have to call at
7-8pm etc.

This letter can be found below:
http://0rz.tw/ir5Oo


She has read the letter but she gave me back the earplugs that I had bought
for her.

Throughout my semester in Taipei, I have been away almost every other weekend
either travelling around Taiwan or to other Asian countries.

But I always hated coming back to the dorm as I knew that I could never feel relaxed in my
room.

Therefore, I wanted to ask some of the other exchange students if they had
similar problems and I sent them this email:

Me: 19 September 2010 at 11:53 
GIRLS!!!

I have to ask you if you know what the rules are regarding talking in your
own room... It can't be true that my neighbour has to knock on my door every
time I skype with someone. It's not like it's loud at all. It's just a normal
conversation... I can't imagine it is illegal to speak in your own room???
Have you had any problems with your neighbours, or am I just super unlucky
regarding my lucky pick next-door ;o) ????

I wanna find out if she's actually allowed to tell me not to speak (isn't
that a human right) ;o))) ??? But I wanna ask you before I ask in the
reception. No need to create a drama. She just ANNOYS me ;)

See ya later for a late dinner ???

xoxo


Michelle Heaton: 19 September 2010 at 11:58 Reply‧ Report
Hahaha, I think that u just are super unlucky. I skype all the time and play
music and everything and no one has told me anything! Of course u should be
allowed to talk in the phone or skype in your own room!

I am definitely up for a later dinner, maybe at 19.30?


Sofia Hansson: 19 September 2010 at 12:06 Reply‧ Report
hahaha OMG, i just met my neighbour, she is actually the birthday girl that's
why i haven't had any complains... Im also playing the music all the time or
wathever... I guesse there should be a rule or something that allows u to
make noises untill 10pm and then to be quiet, u should ask downstairs, but
she seeems so annoying!
Or we should find her a boyfriend so that she can actually get out of that
room and get a life... hahaha (ok that was me just being mean! sorry!

Yeah sure lets meet for dinner, but not to early if thats okay because im
suppose to skype... so 7.30 or 8pm seems perfect!


Me: 19 September 2010 at 12:12 
Pheeeeeeeeeew. Thank God. It seems like I'm not super crazy. I feel like I'm
doing something wrong every time I skype etc.
She has never complained when I listen to music but every time I speak she
knocks on my door and asks me to lower the volume - and it isn't loud at
all!!!! I feel like a prisoner and I feel guilty every time I skype and I
don't like nor want that!!!

So thank you girls for saying that you are doing the same. I have the
impression that she is just studying (her French apparently) ALL the time.
She's one of those 5am - 11pm student.

Maybe I should ask Steven to pretend he works here and tell her that it is
allowed to speak in your own room (what a great plan that is)! :D And of
course after 10pm, noise it is a different story ;o)

8PM for dinner = perfect!!!
See ya downstairs ladies ♥

Cher Lloyd:  19 September 2010 at 13:26 Reply‧ Report
so sorry, I'm late.
I do not have any problem with my neighbours, even if I 'm always making
noise. Indeed, I can hear one of them singing sometimes. It is quite fun. So
sorry, but I think you are really unlucky.

Good luck.

See at 8 pm


These mails clearly show that I was just having a very unlucky pick of
neighbor.

I always told the reception about this also as well as the management of the
dorm.

However, their reaction was always: “yes, she is very sensitive”.

Nothing else ever happened.

And I have been informed that last year, another poor girl living next to my
neighbor was the one being bullied by my neighbor constantly knocking on her
door asking stuff like ‘where does this water sound came from’ as she wanted
to know who was taking a shower.

This shows that my neighbor, indeed, is very sensitive.

But that does NOT give her the right to knock on walls late at night and
disturb other people.

Throughout the last two months of my stay I started to hear her scream in her
room.

Even when I was super quiet in my own room.

I do not know why she would scream, but it did sound like something was wrong
in there.

I also informed the reception about these screams and knocking, and all I
received was smiles and a nod.

One Sunday afternoon I was skyping with my old grandmother for maybe 20
minutes.

Throughout this whole conversation my neighbor was CONSTANTLY knocking on my
wall so much that I could not concentrate on what my poor, old grandmother was
saying.

I also informed the reception once again and the management and the response
were none-existing.

I did not lower my voice when I spoke to my grandmother as she has a bad
hearing and because I was only talking with a normal speaking voice.

As revenge my neighbor woke me up at 4am that same night by knocking on her
wall right next to my bed.

I usually do not wake up easily but this night I did, as it was a CLEAR attempt
to wake me up.

She knocked for maybe 15-20 seconds.

This left me awake for 2 hours as my heart was beating SO fast and I was so
angry and frustrated.

Once again I told the reception.

Every time I had some of these incidents and knocking on walls I would ALWAYS
tell the other exchange students.

They have all been following my story throughout the whole stay.

They all thought that it sounded crazy and wondered why nothing happened from
the management’s side.

So everyone was aware of all of this.

Unfortunately, my Chinese is VERY poor so I could not post about my thoughts
and frustrations on the PPT page.

I could only do Facebook and tell my friends in Taiwan about it.

The 19th of September I sent this message to Steven who is an amazing guy and
friend to all of us:
http://0rz.tw/tjCeD


Then on Friday the 14th of January 2011, I had been out shopping with my
friend to buy presents for the exchange coordinators as we think they have
done an amazing job for all of us exchange students throughout our stay.

I came back to the dorm around 3pm and I opened my door as QUIETLY as possible
because I knew that if I my neighbor would hear me come home, she would
knock, AGAIN! S

o I entered slowly and I was sitting on my bed on my computer not making ANY
noise at all.

No Skype and no music. Still, I hear my neighbor knock a couple of times even
though, she did not know if I was in my room, or not.

But all of a sudden I see her face looking through my window.

So my neighbor had jumped out her window to look through MY window and invading
MY privacy to see if I was in my room so that she could start knocking.

I yelled at her and told her to “GO AWAY!” At this point I was VERY upset,
SAD and frustrated.

I went straight to my friend’s room and asked her if I could please sleep in
her room, as I could not live in my room anymore.

Also, I told the reception about it and their response was: “I am very sorry
to hear about this!”

That same night on Friday the 14th of January, some of us exchange students
were having a couple of beers in the common room since it was the last night
for some people.

We are talking about my neighbor and my friends are so annoyed about it all as
well.

I went up to my room to pick up my jacket which only took two minutes.

AGAIN, she knocked on my wall and I went down to tell the others.

So we agreed on that we should go to my neighbor’s room and knock on her door
and window and ask her why she would do this kind of stuff to people.

So six of us entered the female dorm around midnight and went to room 905.

Our aim was NEVER to threaten anyone; it was never to hurt anyone, or the
like.

We simply wanted to ask her why she did what she did.

Since the dorm did not do anything, we thought we should all talk to her.

So we entered my room and one of my friends jump out the window and knocks
slowly on her window saying “Excuse me, can you please open the window. We
want to talk to you,” nothing else.

She of course does not open.

Furthermore, another guy knocks on her door and tells her to stop harassing
others in the middle of the night and that she needs to treat others the way
she wants to be treated.

He said: “Hey there, open the door!! Do you really think that it is funny to
knock on others wall every day and night? If you want to study in total
silence, please go to the library, people have right to live their own life
in normal day time! She is going to leave in a few days, Why dont you just
let her go????!!!!" We even have pictures of the knocking on the window which
CLEARLY shows that is it NOTHING compared to the reconstruction that was on
TV Saturday the 15th of January. I have attached the picture of the knocking
beneath. Please notice how the hand is knocking silently with just one finger.

http://0rz.tw/MEJ1E
http://0rz.tw/RwN5D

There were NEVER ANY death threats at this night.

No one mentioned the word ‘death’ and no one wanted to hurt anyone.

All the exchange students are some of the nicest and most lovely people you
will ever meet and none of us would ever hurt a mouse.

We are all very normal people who see the best in everything.

We simply wanted to ask my neighbor WHY she was constantly annoying other
people around her since we do NOT think that this is okay!

YES, it was WRONG to walk into the dorm at night.

But in our countries we do not separate male and female and we probably did not
think of it to be as wrong as the local people do.

To us, it is just a dorm. We totally understand and respect the local rules and
we apologize for breaking this rule about boys entering the dorm after 11pm.

When we walked past the reception we just said that we would be back in 2mins.

We did not make any other excuses saying that we had to pack and carry stuff,
or the like.

We simply said: “we will be back in 2mins!” and entered the dorm.

After this we left the dorm and some people went to bed and some went out.

The next day we wake up hearing that someone has created an untrue story on a
local forum.

Since none of us speak Chinese, we do not have the possibility of interacting
and tell our side of the story.

So instead we all of a sudden receive HORRIBLE messages on Facebook, phone
calls and the like.

Some of these messages are very childish and it was clear to us that the local
students of NTU did not know the real truth at all.

We were all very sad that judgments had been taken without hearing the story
from the other side.

Remember! There are ALWAYS two sides of every story.

Whether it is a couple that breaks up or it is a person that gets fired from
work.

ALWAYS talk to both sides before making a judgment!

At this point we are all having a meeting with the management at the school
and we inform them about our version of the story.

They understand our situation and frustration and listen to us.

Still they say that it is hard for them to stop the false allegations on the
local PPT.

We are all very sad that we cannot tell our side of the story and instead we
have to wait for the school to do something.

At night we hear that 200 people turn up at the dorm to demonstrate and still
none of these people know the real truth.

Now we have given an interview to a newspaper and we all hope that the lovely
students at NTU will understand that this is a very sad situation for us all.

We came to Taiwan to learn about your wonderful country, smiles and people.

And we have had an AMAZING time. Taiwan really is fantastic!

I also want to add that Steven Chiu is one of the friendliest guys you will
ever meet.

He has done so much for us all and he is the one who helped us when we could
not find our way home, wanted to go to Carrefour or other things.

Steven has not done anything wrong at all and he only deserves good things in
life.

Steven has introduced us all to your lovely country and he has done A LOT to
inform us about everything that we need to know about Taiwan.

He has been our link to a lot of things.

Everything that he has done is simply amazing!!!

We are just sad that we had to leave like this and we hope that you all have
read our story and will believe that we are all good people who would never
hurt or harm anyone.

If I had not lived in my room, it would have been someone else.

I was just unlucky and any of you would have gone crazy with a constant
knocking on the wall every time you dry your hair, call your parents or listen
to your favorite music in the afternoon for a couple of hours at a low level.

These are things that should be legal and essential in any dorm room.

Of course people should respect each other, but as I sad earlier, I have always
lived with other people in very different countries, and I never had any
problems with anyone, EVER!

They are all still my friends today!

Thank you for your understanding and please create peace.

The world is so beautiful and we need to make it more beautiful!

Keep smiling and thank you for reading!!! I love Taiwan!!!

Ps: Finally, I want to add that I am a very normal girl who loves all my
friends and family. I have visited Asia MANY times and I am in love.

Furthermore, I have a LOT of friends all over the world from England, to the
US, to Malaysia, and now Taiwan. I am positive, open-minded and very easy to
talk to and I see the best in everybody.

My home country, Denmark, is one of the safest and nicest places in the
world. Last year we were nominated ‘The Happiest Nation in the World’. We
are all very open-minded and for the Danes, Taiwan and Asia is very
interesting.

We are big fans of your culture here in Taiwan.

Danish people are as quiet, peaceful and sweet as the Taiwanese!

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推 zxiop:投推
→ Murasaki0110:慘 這大概要寒假完才看得完
噓 dormg:Emma好像是管院碩士專班的,都成年了,信中還不自知問題重點?
→ yuhung:GRE閱讀都沒那麼長...
→ ajtptw:po到八卦版馬上就有各式各樣的翻譯文了
→ newsboy3423:哀  .............
→ dormg:她以為她住水泥隔間嗎?在木板隔間的環境中,噪音"標準"比較嚴
→ dormg:她的腦袋瓜理解不了嗎?其他玩喀不在意噪音,可被她拿來振振有
→ HuckleberryF:BBS的20頁英文，看來這事情的發展真的讓她有焦慮到
噓 Eroticism:重點在她還是有烙男人深夜去女舍騷擾女學生
→ dormg:詞認為自己"不算"製造噪音嗎?全信讓大家見證了何謂東拉西扯~
→ ajtptw:會怕就好
→ Eroticism:不管她和苦主之前的恩怨，她當晚的行為就是亂來
→ newsboy3423:真的是  顧左右而言他
→ newsboy3423:話說  不要噓原PO拉 = =
噓 insachi:避重就輕，說法也跟政人所述不符，還想用人情攻勢
→ dormg:各位在外租那種木板隔間又要準備考試的屋,你放音樂試試看!社
→ zounds:完了~八卦板又要翻譯之亂了= =
推 jansia:快推回來...  不然原PO沒事做多一篇劣文  虧很大
→ dormg:會上沒在跟你客氣的~ps.你租到全是玩喀學生或上班族不唸書的
→ newsboy3423:需多了不會劣啦
推 KevHuang508:管他前面理由寫得落落長，那都不是重點= =" 重點是有
噓 jacky1990b:END
→ zounds:先備份
噓 dodo1018:講中文吼
→ KevHuang508:人違反規定進入宿舍，並且使人心生恐懼吧= =
→ dormg:木板隔間case則是例外,否則有基本智商的人都知要共體時艱:靜
推 impactwhite:幫原PO補血
→ BowLongSing:完了完了  這篇出來  又一堆人要翻譯了
推 dOodoOhOw:太長了不想翻...
→ yukuan1026:幫補血
噓 northfire:開始人情攻勢了嗎
推 newsboy3423:都有證人了  還狡辯
推 a3225737:誰要轉八卦  就有人翻譯了
推 kyo89412:雖然她寫得不錯.. 不過有些事是事實... 幫推
→ a3225737:不過說實在的他都沒用什麼深難詞字連我都看得懂..
推 heuristik:非常多的現場詳細對話細節 還蠻像是捏造的...(個人感覺)
推 tompy:他自認為總是很安靜 跟正常人一樣 他別的鄰居可不是這麼說的
→ HuckleberryF:我只看了前幾段加最後兩段，中間看到她舉了一些也是
→ tompy:不過我想他應該是真的認為自己很安靜 這種事很主觀的
→ HuckleberryF:外籍交換學生的留言，來舉證她這些行為很多人做
→ tompy:而且他的朋友當然贊同他 一點說服力都沒有
→ HuckleberryF:但沒有受到他人的抱怨 (大概都是台灣人不敢或不計較)
→ Lxr:居然沒人轉數字板? 不過也好 我不想再看到Emma之亂 = =
推 zounds:=================google 翻譯很好用=====================
推 john668:太長了我END= = 晚點再看...
推 ningningning:一直強調自己去過很多地方跟很多人相處都沒問題
→ ningningning:so what? 這樣就真的沒問題喔？！！
噓 isaacc:這封信真是證明自己她們疑似犯罪阿~傷腦筋
→ fakeayumi:她舉證那些信只讓我覺得台灣人好NICE好會忍
→ cestor:就算她說得是真的 同時讓兩個男生在陽台和門口"找人" 還是
→ insachi:台灣人真的比較不跟人計較，我在英國聽得多是寧願隱忍也不
→ Lxr:我錯了有人轉了 = =
→ insachi:跟惡鄰居吵的台灣人
→ closmaloud:行得正的話為何說詞反反覆覆?
→ cestor:還是非常嚇人吧？
→ newsboy3423:都沒人抱怨  不代表妳這樣做是對的 絲毫沒有反省
推 lin214:他說他們那一夥人都不會英文所以不能上"PPT"講話
→ lin214:那小天使是哪裡人
推 oralsex5566:我沒轉
噓 dabengo:他寫這些東西，好好笑耶 他頭腦應該沒問題吧
推 bluegold:借轉
※ bluegold:轉錄至看板 Gossiping                                   01/18 00:04
※ LoveBushido:轉錄至看板 Gossiping                                01/18 00:04
→ dabengo:這封信看起來像國中生在辯解  他說一堆廢話到底想說什麼
推 NotJill:先拍台灣人馬屁...後面真的有夠長....
→ shtmn:有寫跟沒寫一樣  無助於處理事情
→ lin214:我是指中文
推 dsmwang:看完了。先推肯出來解釋自己的說法。
→ dsmwang:有某一段有提到評斷之前應要聽兩方說法，那段很中肯。
推 yuhung:可以和Emma說是PTT不是PPT嗎？XD
→ dsmwang:關於之前相處狀況，nqc最好也出來澄清有沒有半夜敲他牆壁
推 ortho:結論：太子建設的超爛隔音，挑起了兩方噪音認知不同的死結
→ dsmwang:Emma兩篇文章都提到這件事，對她而言應是很重要的一件事
推 rainlingring:半夜敲人牆壁真的會被敲到崩潰
推 pinkwind:他不是說才一個男生 現在是馬上附圖打嘴巴?
→ rainlingring:苦主似乎也選了錯誤的方法溝通?
→ dabengo:真的很困惑，避重就輕是要怎樣；寫一大堆狗屁
→ dsmwang:樓上，她是說爬過去的只有一個男孩...你誤會了
推 newsboy3423:但  爬陽台那件事呢?
推 tompy:這封自白書圖文並茂 連證據錄影帶都不用找了 他要投案嗎?
→ ortho:另外我非常想聽nqc自己現身說明 你到底有沒有平常因為噪音
推 zounds:我覺得他那些朋友的鄰居應該只是不想投訴他而已= =
→ dsmwang:爬陽台也有提到，也是說只有一個人爬過去，也有附圖
→ ortho:兒也常常如同信中所說"神經質的拍她牆壁"?
→ yuhung:為什麼烙人時他們還要拍照啊？是已經預知會有這些事情?XD
推 herb4745:說真的...如果要噓的人也說出有格調一點的話吧= ='
推 blowfish:重點難道不是隔音太差嗎...
→ dsmwang:這篇有非常多信件往來和照片，不似偽造
→ newsboy3423:話說  陽台照片.....
→ qilar:但為啥苦主說有聽到有人用流利的中文講話@@
→ dsmwang:請不要急著否定她的說詞，違規事實早就確定，不會更改
→ yuhung:樓上...其中一個是台大的同學啊 當時一定講中文不是?
推 groffp2010:阿 講中文的那不就是小天使嗎=  =
推 yaopheasant:所以是一個長期被精神折磨的鄰居突然性的反撲？
推 herb4745:大推dsmwang    不要急著否定，建議苦主出來說明
→ dsmwang:不能完全相信Emma，但也不能完全相信nqc。
推 rehtra:有沒有中文摘要啊？
→ yaopheasant:若是真的只能說Emma的方式錯了　　　她該折磨回去的XD
→ dsmwang:雙方說法出入的地方，可能就是問題爆發的癥結。
→ dsmwang:而且雙方都非常抱怨管理員沒有作用，這點也值得注意。
推 newyvonne:.
推 ppppooqqqq:其實跟之前那封內容差不多.這篇只是講得比較囉嗦一點
推 topinal:落人恐嚇鄰居這點拿出來  就自知理虧拉
推 innovated:事件發生到這情況nqc大 是否能出來再進一步說明？
推 capri75:看完了....原告nqc要不要出來對質
推 newsboy3423:不過  這篇有圖
→ capri75:不然這篇打臉打很大
→ ppppooqqqq:然後一直加上台灣人很好很好很好來化解敵意
→ newsboy3423:還有  希望有更多鄰近住戶說明
→ ortho:nqc踹共啦 事情等你釐清了!!!!!!!!!!!!
推 tbmaker:不對質不知道結果 兩邊說法差的有點多
→ GothicMetal:不變的點是長興BOT的人員對任何一方都沒有任何作為...
→ dsmwang:這邊呼籲nqc出來說明一下，這對事實釐清相當有幫助。
推 rainlingring:我覺得邱學弟也可以出來說明一下 雖然好像很難..
→ capri75:櫃檯只會微笑跟點頭 一點屁用都沒有
推 yaopheasant:我覺得不能光就當時事件來斷定誰對誰錯，即使他們真的
→ capri75:然後說"你的室友很敏感" 是只會跳針的NPC嘛
推 tim360403:                                                JIZZ
→ dsmwang:版上的人都罵成這樣還想要學弟出來...我只能說不太可能
→ yaopheasant:進行可怕的騷擾，但若在當下自己是受了如此長期折磨的
→ ppppooqqqq:他朋友應該有幫他翻譯ptt的重要觀點.有打到要害
推 Eeli2008:看十四頁吧 事情發生經過的說法
→ tim360403:                                               歐趴
→ dsmwang:若之前版上用詞平緩許多的話，我想當事人會更願意出來吧。
→ yaopheasant:當事人仍會覺得自己是情有可原的，就像被長期家暴的婦
→ capri75:如果我是Emma 遇到這種鄰居 也會抓狂
→ sundream11:如果她說的是真那原告的行為不是讓人受了更長時間的
→ dsmwang:但是請注意最後的違規事實仍然存在，有原因不代表正確
→ yaopheasant:人哪天突然暴發殺了自己的先生，在那個情境下也很難說
推 jokerjoe:嗯?他就一直在強調隔壁很敏感和邱新皓是好人這件事啊
→ yaopheasant:是誰對誰錯，現在Emma站出來說明了，苦主是否也該出來
→ jokerjoe:上次證人所說的邱新皓的叫囂和恐怖撞擊聲都沒提到?= =
推 myhole:是""受害者""  苦主是受害者家屬....國小老師常常請假??
→ yaopheasant:回應？　畢竟前面鄰居也提到苦主的確比較敏感，櫃台也
推 ortho:nqc踹共啦!!!!!!!!!!!(沒惡意，只想知道真相)
→ GothicMetal:nqc在宿舍版那三篇文章要不要先備份一下？
→ BowLongSing:看完了  或許他們兩人間有相處上的困難
→ jokerjoe:邱新皓如果覺得自己沒做事幹嘛不出來= =?有emma幫你撐腰
推 dabengo:他說他們受報紙訪問了，為什麼不先對質呢？誰還要聽單方面
→ yaopheasant:說過苦主曾換過許多鄰居，照目前看來搞不好Emma只是第
→ jokerjoe:苦主跟EMMA兩邊我都看過了 最可惡的還是邱新皓
推 rainlingring:照之前版上情況看 邱出來講什麼都不會被信任吧...
→ sundream11:恐懼嗎?
→ HuckleberryF:這不叫說明，這是自我辯解　無論宿舍裡的相處如何
→ HuckleberryF:搞到找人來踹共就是不對
→ yaopheasant:一個沒有被逼走反擊回去的受害者？(以這篇為真的論點
推 capri75:鄉民絕招：未審先判 證人出來講的不合意只會被噓爆 科科
推 hanachan:Emma說none of us speak Chinese，所以沒辦法上ptt解釋
推 jackeylaw:都是受BOT宿舍惡劣隔音品質所害
→ HuckleberryF:邱的說法，一定是從Emma那聽來的，但是他們要解釋
→ hanachan:難道邱先生也不會說中文嗎~_~
推 jokerjoe:三更半夜找男人來敲門爬窗 說是打算要好好溝通誰相信啊?
推 bobmuntoa:好孩子英文讀本
→ HuckleberryF:的是那晚他們這樣的做為對嗎？
→ jokerjoe:各位女生會開門OR開窗嗎= =?
推 saigxx:國企小壞壞你在哪~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
→ HuckleberryF:這篇文章前前後後都只是想替自己的行為開脫而已
→ jokerjoe:還裝好人幫邱新皓講話= =
→ sun0518:看完了 各方快出來對質釐清事實!
→ bobmuntoa:emma這件互有對錯的事好好處裡說不定能解決很多事情
→ jokerjoe:之前證人說的話當我們都不記得喔= =?
推 oxkay:如果他真的只是要溝通，怎會挑要回國的前兩天?
→ bobmuntoa:學校太子交換生議題一次滿足
推 hanachan:而且這群人也太妙了，爬到別人窗戶前敲窗戶還拍照留念?
噓 aal:要放FB卻連分享相簿都不會嗎?
推 yaopheasant:H大大概就是在法庭上堅持 法絕對大於情理的人吧？
→ akilo:nqc的文章也是前前後後都想把EMMA定罪啊 有差嗎￣▽￣
→ jokerjoe:如果真的只是要溝通為什麼要半夜爬窗+邱新皓中文叫囂?
推 newsboy3423:從另一個角度想 愛馬 nqc  都是隔音問題的受害者
推 fakeayumi:可是，對一個女生來說，前門有人敲門，窗戶有男人敲窗，
→ jokerjoe:怕nqc聽不懂還找邱新皓來用流利中文叫囂?^^好貼心喔
→ ortho:nqc踹共就能讓事情盡快解決了 透過轉述也好 快踹共
推 yoorange:H大可能覺得鄧如雯應該死刑吧~喔不，上面一堆都是。
→ fakeayumi:真得是很可怕的事...
推 HuckleberryF:所以yao您是覺得犯錯的行為，還要幫他找理由開脫嗎？
→ ortho:太子隔音超爛 間接導致一切問題的發生 超沒商業道德
推 yuhung:說真的 我覺得這兩天在NTU板最大的收穫就是練英文閱讀
推 cc88c8c8:彈殼頭蓋骨理論
推 yl8376515:我居然看完了
推 jazzlamb:現在沒人說Emma當晚的事情是對的啊...既然違規錯就是錯，
→ HuckleberryF:把談背後的原因，那是事情解決後，當下就是當下
→ jazzlamb:但並不是事情這樣就結束了吧，我們不真正了解實際的情況
→ yuhung:雖然內文很簡單 卻是很生活化的題材 比讀黃寶綠寶還有趣
→ jazzlamb:怎麼知道Emma是出於可被理解的動機還是單純蓄意攻擊？
→ jazzlamb:怎麼會知道宿舍管理問題是出在哪個環節？
推 renlin:是說現在也有同學交換去他們學校吧 希望不會被影響到
→ jokerjoe:邱新皓您現在有EMMA來幫您漂白 下學期就要靠自己囉^^
→ fakeayumi:話說柯南不是每次犯人被揪出來也會講一些讓人有點同情的
→ jazzlamb:太多人先預設立場再單方面解釋，我覺得並不是很理性...
→ renlin:譬如他們回去跟朋友宣傳這件事之類的= ="
推 yaopheasant:回j大，正因為我們不知道才需要另一個當事人來說明
→ fakeayumi:小故事嗎 = =
推 xufunny:選擇要離境的前兩天溝通 這似乎有點說不過去唷
推 yoorange:事實不重要，大家心中相信的正義會幫忙生出"客觀"事實~~~
推 HuckleberryF:柯南是漫畫..............
→ fakeayumi:喔 好啦 -.-
→ yuhung:那是柯南 如果換杉下右京他會說無論如何都不應該犯法(扯遠)
→ yuhung:話說相棒真的不錯看  台灣真的該引進 都播到第九季了 QQ
→ yuhung:如果換赫丘里白羅 遇到東方快車的例子他會睜隻眼閉隻眼
→ HuckleberryF:如果這兩封都是 Emma 本人寫的，那只看到她想為她的
→ yaopheasant:但就過去很多社會事件案例來看，犯罪動機是的確會影響
→ HuckleberryF:行為合理化而已
→ fakeayumi:yuhung XDDD
推 hanachan:想問...Emma說接受了媒體採訪，她到底離台了沒啊?
推 newsboy3423:幾個疑點 1.nqc 到底有無一直敲牆壁? 2.陽台那張照片
→ yaopheasant:整個社會對事件的觀感跟法官的判決...
推 gilthoniel22:好長= = 都煩了
→ jokerjoe:選擇要離境的前兩天深夜爬窗溝通 這似乎有點說不過去喔^^
→ HuckleberryF:因為這些原因(她認為)所以她當時會有拖人踹共的行為
→ newsboy3423:是基於何種理由而拍?
→ kameilove:jokerjoe他有說是因為他當天看到隔壁從窗戶看自己
推 alohayo:如果真是原苦主把事情誇張化造成這些風波....
→ HuckleberryF:一般人又不是決定刑度的人，她這兩篇文章只是想讓人
→ dsmwang:不需要再討論到當天的爬窗有沒有錯，這大家都知道有錯
→ alohayo:不知道到時候她跟國企小壞壞的下場誰會比較慘.....
→ newsboy3423:3."溝通"的時間點  4.宿舍管理員提起 曾想安排協商
推 dabengo:為什麼有證人是在台籍學生這，和emma說的又不一樣?
→ dsmwang:但雙方騷擾的行為是否屬實，對大眾觀感的影響很大，應求證
推 yuhung:看來是時候出動李昌鈺回台協助台大辦案了(誤)
→ HuckleberryF:同情， 敲牆壁？跟這事情有什麼關係
推 jokerjoe:KAMEI 那他也不用叫好幾個男人深夜來撞擊+叫囂吧
推 yuuirain:推dsm
→ newsboy3423:但 nqc拒絕  是否真實?
噓 chutzpah:還是有洞, 22:00至08:00不聽techno, 但照樣有可能放的是
→ newsboy3423:5.台籍學生證人似乎有點少?
推 andrewmai:推
→ chutzpah:其他類型會吵到人的音樂, 不聽techno改聽heavy metal嗎?
→ HuckleberryF:拍照搞不好是學生喜歡自拍紀念，國內國外都有人把
推 phoenix13:很懷疑到底有多少人把文章看完?
→ HuckleberryF:自己做的蠢事拍照拍影片上傳到網路後，才被人肉
→ newsboy3423:但在這種情況下  會有這種心情嗎....
→ dsmwang:解釋會不會拍照意義不大，她拍照的動機不影響照片真假
→ dsmwang:除非有人能指出照片偽造，不然照片上呈現的仍是事實
推 yoorange:對於H大來說，鄧如雯他老公家暴似乎也啥關係~~~~~~~~~~~~
→ akilo:囧 H大你護航護的有點超過...
→ newsboy3423:還有  他們離開的速度  似乎很快?(據太子方說法)
→ HuckleberryF:鄧如雯她老公家暴跟這事情是沒關係啊
→ saigxx:nqc應該不會說有沒敲牆壁吧 這樣死無對證更玄阿~
→ HuckleberryF:說人護航的有沒有搞清楚事情的重點
→ dsmwang:不要討論什麼家暴了吧，焦點會被轉移。
→ yoorange:嗯嗯嗯對對對，我就是要看你講出這句話，這樣就夠了~~~~~
推 yaopheasant:有點忘了是誰說過的話，如果一個情人劈腿絕對是他的
→ yaopheasant:問題，但連續三個情人劈腿似乎就該想想自己了
推 jokerjoe:我覺得nqc就算有敲牆壁 深夜帶男人爬窗叫囂就是狂輸一場
推 juju6326:原po無辜
→ chutzpah:"but every time I speak she knocks" 與 normal speak
→ dsmwang:爬窗錯歸錯，我們仍想知道nqc有沒有半夜敲牆壁之類的行為
→ yaopheasant:所以我覺得Emma是一定有錯，但原po也該出來解釋些什麼
推 OGCKM:出來道歉還附圖 算有一點誠意打算解釋了 不過一開始對質
推 jazzlamb:推dsmwang
→ OGCKM:不是更好
→ closmaloud:這篇文感覺起來Emma並不認為自己有錯
推 newsboy3423:個人傾向  兩方都有錯
→ dsmwang:Emma有沒有錯校規會處置、大眾也會有輿論，不是Emma說了算
推 ortho:Emma的錯被檢討完了 現在該換nqc踹共了吧?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
→ newsboy3423:nqc  能否說明一下?  代人轉貼也好嘛
推 probono:推樓上
推 innovated:同意newsboy大 雙方可能都有錯只是雙方都避開談自己的錯
推 dabengo:EMMA在昨天版主代po的文章說他們當晚輕聲細語敲門
推 shtmn:我覺得是Emma在保護失控的人...
→ dabengo:和證人說的完全不一樣
→ innovated:感覺回國的是nqc....
→ dsmwang:在宏觀上，要求太子和學校的制度改革仍是主軸。
推 puff12320:推樓上
推 rsggsr:純推nqc踹共!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
推 yuuirain:感覺回國的是nqc XD
→ dsmwang:但就這個事件而言，雙方說法出入點仍很多，有待釐清。
推 flypig7882:nqc!nqc!nqc!nqc!nqc!nqc!nqc!nqc!nqc!
推 gwenpig:學校 BOT OIA 學生會 EMMA都出來說了 真相還原只剩NQC了
→ puff12320:我可不想要這件事情被河蟹阿~"~
推 jokerjoe:emma這封信內容就是強調nqc敏感+幫邱新皓護航啊
→ dsmwang:只能希望雙方都能更願意把自己的觀點發表出來，讓大家知道
推 akanokuruma:這兩個人上下左右都沒室友嗎.....
→ jokerjoe:可能是邱新皓拜託她寫的也不一定喔^^(我自己的猜測而已)
推 rainanny:PEACE
→ jokerjoe:之前證人不是說EMMA再被多次檢舉之後製造噪音變本加厲?
→ puff12320:下次應該生活習慣類似的住一起啦 隔音又不是很好
噓 TSMCboy:國企甲甲秋都不出來喔 是不是男人
推 catmiaow:很奇怪大家怎麼都不太討論nqc也從窗戶看愛瑪那一段，很有
→ akanokuruma:不過老實說這真的是外國人寫的嗎 XD?
→ catmiaow:八卦點，也很具張力呢~~~
→ dsmwang:原來還有人戰性向...拜託穩重一點，要幫他留下發言的空間
→ chutzpah:Emma多次強調正常(normal), 那他的正常是否合規定(legal)
推 yaopheasant:TSM大，人家有名有姓的，不需要做人身攻擊
→ jokerjoe:nqc之前有提到是為了撿抹布?emma覺得她是偷看她在不在
推 newsboy3423:別戰性向
推 linesa:有沒有emma的真相XD
推 dabengo:昨天證人說他分得出來聲音的情形；有誰覺得emma一直造假?
→ jokerjoe:linesa之前有圖啊XDDD
→ dsmwang:這不是一方真一方假的狀況，很有可能雙方對狀況的認知不同
→ dsmwang:nqc覺得很吵不是假話，Emma覺得很小聲也是真話
推 ieng2000:她說自己很安靜,但實情是不是這樣,怎樣才算是吵,各說各話
→ newsboy3423:還是想聽聽  更多鄰居的說詞
→ HuckleberryF:就算假設兩方都是真的，互相製造噪音
→ dabengo:因為昨天他請版主的文章說他們輕輕敲門請台生出來
→ HuckleberryF:有烙人來叫對方踹共的只有 Emma
→ jokerjoe:然後證人說聽到恐怖撞擊聲趕快打給櫃檯
→ satsuki0207:那個敲門照片中的黑髮男子，就是可愛的邱學弟嘛?XD
噓 TSMCboy:性向有甚麼好戰? 本來就甲甲
→ dsmwang:但不能因此推斷Emma說的其他話就是假的。這不合邏輯。
→ satsuki0207:我覺得這照片超好笑的，事後在演什麼演阿
→ HuckleberryF:另外就是還沒人舉證 nqc也會製造噪音吵到同樓層
→ dabengo:證人說
推 rainlingring:撿抹布的說法太牽強了吧....那可是九樓耶!!
→ dabengo:善意的敲門跟那種想要把門敲到爛的敲法我分得出來好嗎!!?
→ satsuki0207:以為在拍玫瑰瞳鈴眼喔
→ newsboy3423:不要一直提性向  夠了啦...  你要講  私下講
推 genuine530:我想這封信應該有真有假...可能之前的事是真的但是後來
→ newsboy3423:在這種討論場合  恩.....
推 ieng2000:供辭所謂的"靜"與"正常生活"之類,都由她說的
→ genuine530:鬧到的事情講出實情又會站不住腳.....
→ HuckleberryF:善意找人溝通，不會刻意找己方的人，而是找第三方
→ dabengo:他會說那種謊(如果證人所說為真)，那他的立場就是要造假啊
→ ieng2000:可能她覺得講個skype,在房間與朋友聚會,甚至喝啤酒,
推 hanachan:九月的時候Emma說希望小天使可以用中文幫她跟nqc溝通，都
→ HuckleberryF:才能讓兩邊坐下來談， Emma　的作為不是
噓 TSMCboy:那你就不要再講阿 提甚麼提 你是他的誰阿
→ kameilove:他不是找過很多次第三方無效了嗎??????????
→ ieng2000:都沒吵到人,但事實又是否如此呢?
→ dsmwang:他覺得很客氣，證人和nqc覺得很兇猛，這也是可能的狀況
→ hanachan:小天使有幫忙溝通協調嗎?
→ dsmwang:我不是在護航，我只是要說一方真，不代表另一方就是假
推 monologue:也可能他們趁著酒意根本不覺得自己有多大聲
→ jokerjoe:他有幫忙用流利中文"協調"^^
→ dabengo:dam大，你說這我覺得或許有點不合理了
→ dsmwang:要考慮到雙方在認知上的差異。惡意推論對釐清真相幫助不大
→ dabengo:EMMA昨天的文章確實說他們是"輕輕敲門"請他出來
→ ieng2000:坦白說,她覺得自己還算客氣,未免太超過了
→ dabengo:證人是說
推 jokerjoe:她醉了
→ dabengo:善意的敲門跟那種想要把門敲到爛的敲法我分得出來好嗎!!?
→ HuckleberryF:半夜　那麼多人 "輕輕敲門"　請人出來？　溝通？
推 kadolyc:XD
→ dabengo:這還要說是認知上的差異就太不合理了
→ dsmwang:證人和nqc說法一致，因此我比較相信他們真的很大聲
→ ieng2000:而且她把那男生的話翻成英文,好像都說得很客氣那樣,
→ dsmwang:但是這在Emma耳中可能覺得不算很大聲
→ ieng2000:可是嘛....這分明是有心掩飾
→ dabengo:所以我才覺得如果證人所說為真，那emma立場就是在造假那邊
→ dsmwang:我只是說不需要推論到某方說法全都是捏造的
→ minakyle:推認知差異~加上那晚他們喝了酒~酒後態度難免跟平常不同
→ dsmwang:Emma掩飾事件的音量，不代表之前的騷擾不存在
→ minakyle:也許他們始終認知"想溝通的出發點"是好的~但帶著酒後的情
→ dabengo:那個證人是隔著門也 太誇張的認知差異
→ HuckleberryF:除了那男的會中文，那他講的中文只有他能翻成英文
→ ieng2000:基本上問櫃台,他們到底有沒有說要幫忙搬東西,就知她的
→ ieng2000:可信性
→ dsmwang:不管是要全盤否定Emma或nqc，我都覺得沒道理
→ dabengo:我沒說不存在和全部都是捏造的啊
→ minakyle:緒~他們只記得他們"好的出發點"卻忘記他們的"行為"太誇張
→ dsmwang:一件件事情分開來，這件事可能某方對，另一件事可能不是
→ dabengo:我是說emma如果有造假(如果證人所說為真)，立場就是造假
→ ieng2000:可是"想溝通的出發點",是事件的原因?還是事後的藉口?
→ eric780105:拍了照而且還擺pose..應該是覺得很好玩才會拍照 的吧
→ minakyle:是事前事後~那就不是我們這些非當事人能馬上推敲出來的了
→ dsmwang:如果你說他在事情發生時的音量描述錯很大，那我不至於反對
→ dsmwang:但是說造假...可能就有些過了。
→ chtm:看起來是避重就輕  想合理化自己一行人的行為
→ HuckleberryF:有人真的認為　半夜　烙人來　真的"輕輕敲門"
→ dabengo:他文章說輕輕敲門和證人的所說之差異，就是一方在扭曲是非
→ HuckleberryF:請人出來溝通。　碰到這情形會開門的人真的很有膽識
→ dabengo:如果不是有一方不是造假不就很怪
→ HuckleberryF:再說事前有什麼恩怨要解釋　跟校方及管理單位去說
→ dsmwang:我自己傾向於用認知不同來解釋，你認為Emma造假我也沒意見
→ dsmwang:只是不要讓這件事的立場影響其他事情的判斷就好。
→ HuckleberryF:反正兩造的說法都是從自身出發，但無關烙人輕輕敲門
→ dabengo:請別亂說，我都有說如果證人所說為真
→ HuckleberryF:至於平常到底是誰比較吵，應該也會問同樓層的人
→ dabengo:然後那種說法的不同說是認知差異我覺得就不合理啊
→ dsmwang:嗯，你可以覺得不合理啊，我尊重你。但我自己不是這樣解釋
→ dsmwang:但是我們的共識是Emma方應該是發出了蠻大的聲音
推 ieng2000:如果摔門聲量都被第三者形容為恐怖,而她還可以覺得
推 b98901056:爆
→ ieng2000:這不過是輕輕敲門,那不管她的聽力與認知有沒有受酒精影響
→ dsmwang:這個討論太細了，認知差異合不合理每個人自有判斷
→ dsmwang:你們覺得不合理亦可，我覺得合理亦可。我們能否討論別的？
→ HuckleberryF:我只有認為烙人來門前是不對的，有沒有發出蠻大的
推 SaraScofield:終於看完信了好長
→ ieng2000:,這很難不讓人質疑她之前一直強調的"自己很靜","正常音量
推 xhungx:看了這文就會覺得是nqc很可怕
→ HuckleberryF:聲音，我不清楚，但找人來這件事 Emma自己都認了
→ ieng2000:"的說法,而且後來播音樂播到全走廊都聽到,又如何解釋呢?
→ dsmwang:找人來是錯的這個Emma信內有提到，學校也會有處置
推 dabengo:如果再沒有對質，雙方一直po文的話，那會浪費大家多少時間
→ minakyle:我推ieng大~我覺得沒有很多人著墨的"酒精"也是一個關鍵
→ FLEBILE:Emma的"正常音量"是無差別攻擊到苦主以外的其他鄰居耶....
推 capri75:===========寒假時間太多 來打打嘴砲正好================
推 mimihi:證人有說 他一開始沒聽到 是後來EMMA似乎被投訴到煩
推 ieng2000:去睡了,無謂為此事傷肝,遠因只能說BOT的爛隔音
→ mimihi:才故意反擊回去
→ ieng2000:那她就不要說自己一直都很靜...
→ FLEBILE:證人一開始沒聽到是因為有開窗戶～
推 xxp680:看完了 比較同情emma一點 但不能說誰對誰錯
推 shenarthur:http://0rz.tw/3RZWT 要正視這個問題！！！
推 yaopheasant:F大所說證人是因為開窗戶才沒聽到，我記得是他的推測
→ chutzpah:還有送耳塞, 沒說清楚這會讓對方認為挑釁吧?
推 jack5914qoo:Emma那封信寫得有點太直讓人感受不太到善意 而且似乎
→ jack5914qoo:講明自己時差的問題
→ alibrandi:其實我覺得那封信不會沒有善意 很多外國人用英文講話本
→ alibrandi:來就是直白 不像東方人習慣包裝得很委婉
→ Ryanhs:結論是台大人英文真好~!!!
推 TTHsimon:我感覺拍照時的氛圍是嘻嘻哈哈的 想秀給朋友看
→ chutzpah:台灣的人英文本來就不差, 只是被發音迷思啦!
推 Buchladen:我只覺得輔導員也是一個關鍵角色
推 Kenneth1225:如果我的室友真如本文所說 我也會崩潰....
推 yurihou:剛剛給我哥看照片 我哥說這明明就很可怕啊="=
→ jack5914qoo:對 ali說得沒錯 所以我是用"太直" 而不是挑釁之類的
→ jack5914qoo:這在東方人和西方人的語言表達上確實有差異
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→ chutzpah:Emma當初沒有親自溝通或請通譯甚至小天使轉譯, 這叫所謂
→ chutzpah:"西方式的直接"? 自己當初沒有用心處理, 就不要拿文化
→ chutzpah:來虎爛!
→ dsmwang:並不是說面對面就是用心；非面對面也不代表不用心
→ dsmwang:覺得用不用心，看信件內容後再評斷還比較有理一點。
推 capri75:chut需要看翻譯嗎? 不然看完這篇再說吧 Emma明明就有寫信
→ capri75:溝通 ~_~
→ chutzpah:抱歉我是先用搜尋可能爭議字眼
→ chutzpah:capri75你對, 還附圖....
→ chutzpah:不看信還好, 一看就看到"Why not use NTU's beautiful
→ chutzpah:library?" 自己不先質疑所有可能侵權的行為, 先檢討別人?
→ capri75:先假設Emma所言屬實 那麼如果你在房間裡的活動屬於正常音
→ capri75:量 但你鄰居是個對於聲音極度敏感的人 那你應該要怎麼做呢
→ capri75:至於Emma自認為的"正常音量"合理與否 就有待證人來釐清了
推 tear0512:建議她去總圖讀書XD
→ capri75:如果是我遇到這麼敏感的鄰居 也會請她去圖書館 @@
→ capri75:但我覺得總圖也不算很安靜 光是高跟鞋聲音就會讓我很不爽
→ capri75:何況還有咳嗽醒鼻涕轉筆按滑鼠等等 ~_~
推 leighmeow:推
推 albirex:如果不能接受任何聲音，不如住山上！
→ albirex:住宿舍的一個學習點就是學會跟別人相處啊！！！
→ albirex:不然出到社會要怎麼辦？？
→ albirex:本人也住隔音差的BOT！真要念書有總圖和耳機！
→ albirex:又不是沒辦法！除非是想鬧事！這種就是attention-seeking!
→ chutzpah:回 capri75: 開音樂與使用 skype不是自己認為音量正常
→ chutzpah:就正常, 開音樂可以帶耳機, 用 skype可以打字, 還有其他
→ chutzpah:公共場所. 其他: 開關門, 開吹風機, 咳嗽, 至少我覺得
→ capri75:問題是如果你在房間內以正常音量講話也會被鄰居嫌吵 那是
→ capri75:不是就不能講話了呢?
→ chutzpah:這三件事的確是寢室內無可避免的聲音....
→ chutzpah:很抱歉, 我要手機時就會離開室內, 除非那天我的鄰居都
→ chutzpah:回家或出門了
→ chutzpah:因為我明白聽到笑話我會笑出來, 而且我也只在星巴克,
→ chutzpah:麥當勞用 skype, 不過近年不常用.
推 tear0512:樓上SKYPE的地點很奇怪 一般人會想在自己房間吧
→ capri75:哪我實在佩服chut...我無法做到在正常時間 正常音量的情
→ capri75:況下還要遷就鄰居 到外面講話
→ chutzpah:什麼是正常音量? 抱歉我不是國家標準制定者
→ chutzpah:回 tear0512: 吵雜的公共場所, 至少連旁邊的人都在吵,
→ chutzpah:比較不容易落人口實吧?
→ chutzpah:回 capri75: 感謝總圖的訓練, 所以手機一震動就是往外衝
推 capri75:http://tinyurl.com/2locu 這裡有正常談話的音量
→ chutzpah:抱歉您或許家裡有儀器, 但是我窮, 所以不可能常常看儀器
→ chutzpah:而且"香港環保署"對"台大"有管轄權嗎
推 capri75:我只想表示正常音量不是那麼難以理解的概念
→ capri75:我更沒提到管轄權 只是引用科學上的數據
→ capri75:那我改用http://ivy1.epa.gov.tw/noise/BB/B-04-01.htm
→ capri75:印表機:50分貝 人平常講話聲音:60分貝 電話鈴聲:70分貝
→ capri75:採相對概念應該就不難理解了吧 :)
→ chutzpah:重點不是我理不理解吧? 是我做得到不要吵到人就去做,
→ chutzpah:這與國籍無關喔? 我就有個來自美國長老教會的朋友, 講
→ chutzpah:手機也是會遠離人, 先尊重人, 再談文化特色甚至差異
→ chutzpah:還有, 雖然我怕吵到別人, 但是別人吵到我, 我是用我自己
→ capri75:好吧 沒有交集 至少我在BOT是可以在房內輕鬆跟朋友談天的
→ chutzpah:戴了耳道式耳機聽歌後還聽得到對方的聲音為準
→ capri75:也問過鄰居 沒有意見 End
→ chutzpah:我也沒有說你錯, 至少你願意徵求鄰居意見, Emma有嗎?
→ chutzpah:說鄰居嚴肅, 問鄰居為什麼不去圖書館, 送耳塞, 為什麼
→ capri75:我只想堅持一點 在非睡眠時間的私人空間內 製造出非違法
→ chutzpah:不找可翻譯的同學與管理人員當中間人?
→ capri75:的聲音音量 我不認為需要如此遷就鄰居
→ capri75:問題就在於輔導員跟櫃檯沒有善盡"協調"的責任
→ chutzpah:但若因此有環保署(白天)警察(晚上)敲門, 所謂個人認為
→ chutzpah:就需要再審視一次吧?
推 capri75:"不到違法標準的音量"就已經排除官方干涉的可能性了...
→ chutzpah:也是.
→ capri75:抱歉 先睡了 @@"
推 wensday:我看完信了,但她的信沒有什麼新東西啊!還是一樣半夜揪人闖
→ wensday:入叫人揣共啊!她怎麼說她們沒想傷害人有什麼用?而且她一直
→ wensday:說她怕苦主所以都不敢出聲,動作都超輕,那其他鄰居說她音樂
→ wensday:放很大聲關門很大聲是見鬼了?這根本不是她中文不好無法辯
→ wensday:解的部份
→ chutzpah:這封信當中還有其他人的文字紀錄, 都徵求同意嗎?
→ wensday:她的辯解完全像個國中生會說的話
推 alicehsin:umm.. 事情總是有兩面的
推 anika:就事論事 假設苦主真是如此 那艾瑪都忍到學期末 為何要在離
→ anika:開前 跟其他所謂的好朋友一起作這種事? 要談自己談 晚上11點
→ anika:一個詭異白人男子敲你窗戶 前方還有這麼嗆的史地文 就是解決
推 anika:問題的好方法嗎? 兩封自白看了都在廢話 不承認當晚的行為
→ anika:就是錯了!一直提到苦主怎樣所以他才這樣 無限迴圈
→ wensday:而且那個白人男子看起來真的很可怕..我看照片都嚇到了
推 bluebluelan:乂煞气a新皓乂
→ dragon159753:這種事擁有兩方的故事，這裡噓的人啊...別那麼無聊
→ dragon159753:的一直挑他的信,especially chutzpah =.="
推 RealJustice:她的字好醜 不如國中生 這樣的人讀NTU? 唉...
→ dragon159753:realjustice: 寫字跟讀書能力有甚麼關西??
噓 Jinbei:beat around the bush
推 lilypai60821:昨天讀這讀到好晚= =
推 needfood:會寫這封信表示 她不是膽子很大就是把台灣看的很扁
→ needfood:把大家當笨蛋？
噓 DarthSidiou:把大家當笨蛋，用英文寫解釋得清深夜叫人踹共是何居心
推 philip77:推~~~
噓 bluemidnight:一堆廢話
噓 jn8029:快推 不然丹麥人以為我們看不懂英文
推 a801393:嘖嘖..英文信就沒人推了XDD?!
推 a1550301221:哀
噓 abrandnewme:可以不要再模糊焦點了嘛!! 重點是帶人騷擾好不好!!!
→ abrandnewme:一直強調不會中文  難道你有試著用英文溝通嗎?!!!
噓 sparkle0829:then?
噓 lovpeace:照片很有趣 甚麼樣的人會邊跑到人家窗邊敲門 邊在旁邊拍
→ lovpeace:照? 溫柔且善意的溝通? 我看是故意鬧人拍照留念吧...
噓 Edger:拍窗子的、恐嚇的部分咧  搞不清楚重點
→ gausong:沒錯 我也很懷疑為什麼要拍照 如果是溫柔且善意的溝通
推 gity1208:幫補血推
推 blueright061:補血推
推 yushiung:推讀玩了
推 elephants31:百推
噓 ws1008taiwan:企圖不良給噓.
噓 noway:plz in CHINESE
噓 clover929:有騷擾就是有騷擾啊.....
推 Armor564:試論噓/推的人,10個裡面,真正看完的有沒有5個?
→ Armor564:不管發生了啥事,超過訪客時間烙人就是不對-->鄉民的邏輯
噓 mkchiun1028:我看完了，樓上呢？
→ katsurada:我還是覺得叫朋友去跟人"溝通"很不合理啊...
噓 helloken2006:我看完了 Armor那句有甚麼問題 請提高見 少放炮
推 jasonfghx:推
推 illidan23:
噓 chutzpah:"鄉民的邏輯"有什麼問題? 若歧視鄉民可自以為優越嗎?
噓 ian60702:英文