[閒聊] Javy Vazquez

[genteme (金湯米)]

以下是 Frankie Piliere 對 Javy 投球機制的分析

http://0rz.tw/SYFXA

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The way he's delivering the ball, he's throwing against his front leg, rather
than driving over the top of it and getting on top of the baseball. Again,
Vazquez always has and more than likely always will collapse on his back leg
and drift toward the plate. But, recently it's just gotten away from him.
Because he's unable to drive over that front leg and get on top, he's forced
to rotate around his torso and shoulders, creating more of a side-to-side
effect than a downhill effect.

What that turn of his shoulders does to the pitch after it leaves his hand is
what's directly leading to all those mistake fastballs and rolling curveballs
over the fat part of the plate. As his front side drifts toward the plate,
his lead shoulder is going with it and opening up much too early. The impact
of that is a nearly squared up upper body facing home plate, making it almost
impossible for Vazquez to get the extension he needs to get the ball to the
outside corner against righties, and the inside corner on lefties.

With that front shoulder wide open, he's getting around his pitches rather
than on top, causing the ball to repeatedly leak way back toward the middle
of the plate. Not to mention, he's giving the hitters a very good look at the
ball and his pitches are coming in on a flat plane. Pitchers need that good
downward angle to stay out of the middle of the plate, and get the bite on
the breaking ball and sinking fastball.

By doing this, he's also robbing himself of a couple ticks on his fastball,
for those out there wondering why his fastball has been more like 87-91 mph
rather than 90-92 mph this season. As early as he is right now with his lower
half, he's robbing himself of a great deal of leg drive, and when you are
getting around the ball rather than on top, you are losing that raw velocity
and downward action in favor of excessive arm-side run, which of course leads
to mistakes over the plate. All of his pitches, particularly the curveball,
are suffering from this mechanical issue.

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  Frankie Piliere 提到 Javy 的投球機制的改變，以及造成球速下降以及容易被打長打
的原因。(詳細的機制就請看得懂得大大幫忙解說吧@"@)

  文中也提到，即使知道原因要改也是不容易的事情 (It's a nagging mechanical issue
, and despite being not so hard to identify it's very difficult to correct and
 keep in check on a consistent basis.)

  希望跳過這次先發可以讓 Javy 改正回來...下次先發的對手老虎隊也不會比襪襪好打
多少.....

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推 Tukiyomi    :所以Vaz是出手姿勢跑掉？
→ ajay0917    :投教都要等被打爆才能發現姿勢跑掉嗎 = =
推 stonemonkey :投教跟TB的西瓜差不多....(誤)
欸.....我們的投教並不是沒在做事情的...

其他投手我不清楚，只拿 Boone Logan 為例子好了..

以下是 Ken Rosenthal 的報導部份摘錄

http://0rz.tw/xizWt

    As if the Yankees need more help, club officials are excited about
left-handed reliever Boone Logan, the second player they acquired in the
Javier Vazquez trade.

    Logan, who throws 91-94 mph, is benefiting from a mechanical adjustment
that pitching coach Dave Eiland suggested in spring training.

    Eiland asked Logan to lift his leg higher in his delivery and throw from
more of a downhill plane, enabling his arm to get out front.

    Logan noticed an immediate difference — his four-seam fastball started
moving in on left-handed hitters instead of tailing back over the plate. His
changeup returned, and his slider gained late movement.

Boone Logan 的圖片
http://riveraveblues.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Logans-leg.jpg

雖然目前為止小樣本，不過看他在小聯盟的成績，以及最近出賽有飆到95~97mile，有
蠻不錯的改善....不能說 Dave Eiland 都沒有在做事....
※ 編輯: genteme         來自: 220.143.158.106      (05/04 13:49)
推 danny789    :這個投教跟西瓜差不多與打教有天壤之別(無誤)
推 paoan       :打教真的不錯 還到府服務~
推 decorum     :其他四個SP都有王牌的架勢 瓦哥的問題怪罪投教不公平
→ decorum     :不能說好的都是投手自己 不好的都是投教沒本事吧
推 phix        :好的是捕手...
推 Tenka       :大家都忘了 其實是斧頭幫賣假貨...
→ siliver     :還在勇士賣假貨......Vazquez根本不是勇士出身的....
推 RogerWaters :救不起葛格Eiland就該判死刑了...
→ RogerWaters :就算洋基牛棚用得很棒, Hughes教得不錯都功不抵過...
推 WLR         :樓上說這什麼話,Wang有傷勢是要怎救,投教又不是醫師
推 ronalud     :判死刑咧 這年頭網路發言都出一張嘴就好
推 RogerWaters :我只是解讀上位數位西瓜說的心聲而已...
→ stonemonkey :前面是有誰扯到Wang了..zzzz
→ folker      :嘴砲王
推 RogerWaters :danny789:其實Eiland 是派來的臥底... 06/16 08:02
→ RogerWaters :這是回溯的推文...
→ RogerWaters :推danny789:只要Fire Eiland, Joba 就會正常了 06/16
→ RogerWaters :我有沒有說出他的心聲啊! 呵呵...
→ s90366770607:...........真無聊 還找一年前的東西出來講
推 siliver     :會無聊嗎??我到覺得很有趣呢,想想洋基現在的投手水準
→ siliver     :,結果還是有人能怪東怪西的,真是欲加之罪何患無辭.
→ chancewen   :也許好還要更好?
推 farst       :Vazquez根本是台灣乙組選手                    集氣
推 danny789    :想不到我說Eiland是西瓜會被抓出來鞭屍@@老實說他是
→ danny789    :是有其長處,但對於低潮的投手顯然很無助,不過投教如
推 danny789    :果對低潮投手無解(如去年初對Hughes的態度)只搭順風
→ danny789    :車,球隊真的對他只有這樣的要求?
→ danny789    :而且對投手的使用方式很成功,我認為是吉總的調度居功
→ danny789    :我說他西瓜是與打教LONG比較,CANO打擊很差時不離不棄
→ danny789    :還到府服務(據說住的不太好)很有責任感,當然可能我對
推 ninini      :看來我可以寫信去罵我國小老師為甚麼沒讓我上哈佛了
→ danny789    :投教要求太高@@~~~
推 RogerWaters :科科...Eiland會對牛棚投手記錄球數...Girardi完全依
→ danny789    :不是說教練代表一切,球員自己也要努力,像腿弟今年的
→ RogerWaters :照Eiland建議派牛棚投手上場...Eiland在3a時就這樣作
→ danny789    :表現LONG肯定有努力過
推 danny789    :雖然目前腿弟還是小樣本,不代表他整季如此
推 RogerWaters :Ron Girardi遇上Mussina Farnsworth大低潮一點辦法都
→ RogerWaters :有, 還躲球員。Hughes, Joba, IPK上來沒法教, 還拉當
→ RogerWaters :時在3A的Eiland上來, 那這該說什麼呢?....
推 redsnipertd :說真的Eiland在葛格低潮那陣子, 很多人都對他沒信心
→ redsnipertd :基本上整個風評都一致認為Ron是更好的投教
→ redsnipertd :但是到目前為止Eiland當的真的很稱職
推 RogerWaters :guirdy寫錯...
→ RogerWaters :Ron Guirdy遇到日職王牌左投大低潮也救不起來啊.. 呵
→ wwf200010   :Guidry
推 ninini      :日職王牌左投的D槽應該是真的很大
推 meier0112   :投教喔,今年明顯的是CC,AJ,派 Two-seam FB使用率增加
→ meier0112   :尤其是AJB,GB% 1.09->1.48,不過在藍鳥滾飛比更高orz
→ meier0112   :也可能是PitchFx,之前沒記二縫線速球吧= =
推 sidney78    :一定是打教太強 讓投教相形失色XD
推 siliver     :要這麼說也沒錯,洋基的打擊火力在全聯盟是頂尖的 XD
推 joe0726     :在台灣 很多人會以為Gator是個比Eiland更稱職的投教
推 kauw        :他不是本來就是炸裂王嗎 年年都30發左右..
推 jayin07     :閃電會帶心，葛格哭哭！Eiland都不會!!
→ jayin07     :會帶心就好了，Eiland不管對媒體說再多葛格的delive-
→ jayin07     :ry有問題正在嘗試修正，這些都沒有用！
→ appshjkli   :因為葛格爆了阿,所以投教就沒盡到責任嘛
推 danny789    :我有點不解(冏)現在是討論投教的問題(也許有個人喜好
→ danny789    :的偏見)但為何有人硬將劇情轉到WANG身上?
推 redsnipertd :因為當年的時空環境就是這樣, 葛格投不出來一堆人卯
→ redsnipertd :起來幹Eiland, 實際上Eiland並沒有比Ron爛
推 ninini      :靠杯 討論區有人假留言真徵友XDDD
推 williamsohot:我是不怎麼欣賞洋基投教啦  但是有人好像扯太遠了
推 jayin07     :另外王葛格跟Guidry跟越久，GB%越低
推 HomeKei     :這篇明明標題再討論Vaz....
推 Tukiyomi    :hmm baseball-reference把Vaz排到五號先發了
推 numblife    :分析的到的是機制 分析不到的是心態
→ numblife    :有時候心態要先調整 不然怎麼調機制 都會打回原形
推 pathfinder  :投教又不是巫醫，心理問題要去找心理醫生
推 AirLee      :直接去自由市場再抓一隻好物就行了...= =
推 ninini      :要找好投教 好物穿了斑馬衣也可能爆炸
→ ninini      :投教比較省錢 ~~~
→ mirrorlee   :說投教好 我實在看不出來好在哪 當年他上來是為了3A
→ mirrorlee   :的幾個小將 總統賣掉了 張火球的火越來越小啪 大帝越
→ mirrorlee   :來越穩 3個也就成功了一個這算稱職嗎
→ mirrorlee   :要扯王也可以 當鄉民看出王的姿勢走樣時投教沒看出
→ mirrorlee   :還有一些為酸而酸的當時還替投教說話 結果呢 美國方
→ mirrorlee   :面的MLB節目硬是找出王的姿勢差異對比 這時候Eiland
→ mirrorlee   :才改口應該是傷勢影響姿勢導致投的不好
推 jayin07     :Eiland在一開始就對媒體講過葛格的arm slot有差了
→ jayin07     :另外對於投手新秀來說，三個能夠成功一個就很好了
→ jayin07     :全聯盟top50的投手新秀，還養不出1/3咧...
→ jayin07     :當初Eiland春訓結束就講了葛格姿勢有變，結果沒什麼
→ jayin07     :人看啊...
推 nickyang    :投教打教本來就是消耗品，不然當他們是小叮噹嗎-_-
推 jayin07     :不知不覺Joba和Hughes也正在丟第三年年資了
→ jayin07     :第一輪能活過三年的也不過48.7%
→ jayin07     :三明治選進來的能否活過三年(Joba)比例一下就掉到36%
→ jayin07     :搖頭老爹也是個名投教，他也是有救不起來的人啊-_-
→ mirrorlee   :你要不要先去查一查當時Eiland要王姿勢要怎麼調整
→ mirrorlee   :他要王"手臂抬高點" MLB節目比對的則是王的放球點
→ mirrorlee   :比19勝時高 最近國民比對的依舊是王的放球點過高
→ mirrorlee   :如果你要說這也算Eiland有指出過王的arm slot有差 那
→ mirrorlee   :或許也算吧 >~.~<
→ genteme     :Joba自從2008受傷以後 速球就幾乎沒有到100了...
→ genteme     :跟投教沒關係....大聯盟一堆傷後速度回不來的...
→ genteme     :不能全怪投教吧...
推 nickyang    :....arm slot is one thing while release point is
→ nickyang    :another....
→ mirrorlee   :我不知道N大秀英文是什麼用意 但是我想這裡的中文可
→ mirrorlee   :以解釋得很清楚 http://tinyurl.com/26dlyfm
推 nickyang    :你要不要拿那兩個字去google一下？
推 jayin07     :Eiland要葛格手臂抬高點...？
→ mirrorlee   :不好意思 時間久了點 原文資料找不到 只找到記者訪問
→ mirrorlee   :王的報導 http://tinyurl.com/26ntggk
→ mirrorlee   :另外 這是再翻資料時順帶在NYYFans翻到的一篇關於投
→ mirrorlee   :教的討論Eiland稱不稱職 在國外也有爭議的
→ mirrorlee   :http://tinyurl.com/28fav2c