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作者: CCLu (Lu) 看板: NY-Yankees
標題: Re: Yankees offered arbitration to...
時間: Tue Dec 9 10:45:37 2003
※ 引述《bluedoll (睡吧)》之銘言：
: ※ 引述《xxeric (佛曰:不可說)》之銘言：
: : Comments: FREE AND CLEAR
: : Interestingly, the White Sox offered arbitration to Tom Gordon, meaning the Yan
: : kees will lose another draft pick. More fuel for Yankee fans who bemoan the sta
: : te of the farm system. You can't pick prospects if you've got no picks.
: : 一開始還沒注意，不過注意一看就覺得還是有得有失啊。
: : Draft Pick的補償是不是有分等級??
: : 請CCLu大大解說一下了，實在不大懂，謝謝！！
: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/baseball/mlb/10/29/al.rankings.ap/
: Level A Gordon, Tom 74.791
啊，混帳，Gordon是type A FA啊？之前有想過會不會因為Gordon
或Quantrill這兩個賠掉選秀權，還真的跑不掉。
沒想到第一輪選秀權不是因為Sheffield賠掉，賠在Gordon身上。
現在反而希望他們不要簽Gabe White算了，arbitration也給了，
只要他給人家簽走，可能還可以換回來一個前面一點的順位。不
過以目前的訊息來看，大概很快會達成協議簽好合約。
反正這幾年選秀選的也不怎麼樣，沒有就沒有，選來了也不見得
能夠養大。對於Yankees的未來，選秀選不好傷害未必小於亂花錢。
本世紀花錢花的比90年代沒有章法，連選秀也選的比較差。
關於draft pick補償的規定在CBA裡面寫的很清楚：
Aritilce XX--Reserve System
B. Free Agency
(4) Compensation
有兩頁是在規範這部份的東西，如果是從Doug Pappas網站下載的
全文，那是在第68-69頁，那個pdf檔的79-80頁。
http://roadsidephotos.com/baseball/BasicAgreement.pdf
有興趣的人可以自己查。或者簡單一點可以看Baseball Primer對
於Rob Neyer那篇Transaction Primer的補充，網址是：
http://www.baseballprimer.com/articles/dszymborski_2002-07-04_0.shtml
看Free Agency and Compensation那一段，文字不長。
中文的好像在好幾個地方看過有人討論，現在一時也想不出來哪裡
可以找到，我不愛幹翻譯的事情，所以抱歉了。
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C Yogi Berra, 1B Lou Gehrig, 2B Toni Lazzeri, 3B Graig Nettles,
SS Phil Rizzuto, OF Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle,
SP Whitey Ford, RP Mariano Rivera (SS runner up: Derek Jeter)
Manager Casey Stengel (Runner up: Joe Torre)
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作者: lakersfan (阿徹) 看板: NY-Yankees
標題: Re: Yankees offered arbitration to...
時間: Tue Dec 9 16:47:56 2003
※ 引述《xxeric (佛曰:不可說)》之銘言：
: Comments: FREE AND CLEAR
: Interestingly, the White Sox offered arbitration to Tom Gordon, meaning the Yan
: kees will lose another draft pick. More fuel for Yankee fans who bemoan the sta
: te of the farm system. You can't pick prospects if you've got no picks.
: 一開始還沒注意，不過注意一看就覺得還是有得有失啊。
: Draft Pick的補償是不是有分等級??
: 請CCLu大大解說一下了，實在不大懂，謝謝！！
: ※ 引述《CCLu (Lu)》之銘言：
: : David Wells, Andy Pettitte, Gabe White, John Flaherty.
: : Yankees跟Flaherty的約據說是談定了，不過很明顯還沒有簽。Gabe
: : White據說也快談妥了。由於David Wells才動背部手術，Yankees目
: : 前在和他的經紀人談一個小聯盟約，如果明年能夠恢復回到大聯盟
: : roster，將會有很多的bonus，跟剛結束的這個約類似。
: : 沒有給arbitration的有Antonio Osuna和Jeff Nelson。
: : 他們同時跟Ruben Sierra簽了一年合約。Sierra回到Yankees之後
: : 表現比我預期要好，尤其是他的態度。也許年紀大了，到了球員生
: : 涯的末端，對於很多事情看法都和年輕時不同了吧？
The mechanics work like this:
If a club offers salary arbitration, the player in question must
accept or reject the offer by Dec. 19. If he accepts, he's under
contract for the next season, with a salary to be determined by
an arbiter. Or he can decline arbitration and still continue
negotiating with his former club through Jan. 8.
If a team doesn't offer arbitration, it loses negotiating rights
until May 1 and receives no draft picks as compensation if the
player walks. The caliber of picks is determined by an Elias
Sports Bureau formula that ranks players as Class A, B or C free
agents based on their statistical profiles.
Some players and clubs have pre-arranged deals where the team
offers arbitration with the assurance the player will decline.
The team maintains its claim to draft picks and the player buys
himself time to stay in a place he might not want to leave. He
also keeps 30 teams in the mix for his services, rather than 29.
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