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: Gotta go with Joe!
: KAT O'BRIEN | [e-mail]
: October 14, 2007
: 1 BRING BACK JOE TORRE.
: It's true, the Yankees haven't won the World Series since 2000, but as
: numerous players have said, that's on them. Was Torre, a long-ago batting
: champion, supposed to grab a bat when his team hit a collective .228 in the
: Division Series? Was he supposed to give pitching coach Ron Guidry the ball
: as the staff compiled a 5.89 ERA in the playoffs?
: Anything can happen once a team gets to October. But you have to make it
: there to have a chance to win the World Series. Torre's teams have done that,
: without fail. How many other managers can say the same? That's right, zero.
: Even Bobby Cox's Braves failed to reach the playoffs the past two seasons.
: Nobody is better than Torre at handling the collection of stars the Yankees
: have, even winning over Alex Rodriguez this season, but up-and-comers such as
: Melky Cabrera and Shelley Duncan adore him too. He's terrific at dealing with
: the spotlight in New York as well as the whims of owner George Steinbrenner.
: Replacing Torre with Don Mattingly or Joe Girardi is no surefire success,
: unlike Torre himself. Even general manager Brian Cashman said Tuesday: "Joe's
: had a tremendous run here as manager. His contract's expiring, and now the
: discussion is about how best to go forward. His reign so far has been
: terrific. You'd sign up for it right now if you could find it."
: Hello! You already have it. And you can keep it if you bring back Torre. Of
: all the recent seasons the Yankees haven't won the World Series, this one
: gives the least cause to change managers. He did a superb job this season in
: guiding the team to the playoffs after a poor start fueled by a slew of
: injuries. Bringing him back could help hang on to Mariano Rivera, Jorge
: Posada and Andy Pettitte, too. Torre should be given a new contract that
: allows him to open the new Yankee Stadium in 2009.
:

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Torre's Time Should End

2007-10-10 13:37by Bruce Markusen

One year ago, I staunchly defended Joe Torre, proclaiming the seemingly
impending decision to fire him and replace him with Lou Piniella as
borderline ridiculous. Given that position, some readers might find it
strange that I’m now calling for a change at the Yankees’ managerial helm.

So what has happened in the last 365 days to make me alter my opinion?
Principally, a third straight defeat in the opening round of the postseason,
with the Yankees once again losing to a beatable American League opponent. It
’s not that any one or two strategic maneuvers by Torre resulted in them
losing, but rather, it was the generally poor tenor of the team’s play. The
Yankees didn’t play aggressively, failing to take chances against Victor
Martinez, who has had a checkered career when it comes to throwing out
baserunners. They once again lacked any killer instinct, failing to hit in
the clutch against C.C. Sabathia in Game One and failing to tack on a second
run against Fausto Carmona in Game Two. Again, these aren’t necessarily
errors on the part of the manager, but they have become part of a trend of
ineffectual play for the Yankees in the postseason, dating back to those
final four games against the Red Sox in 2004. The Yankees just don’t seem to
come to the postseason prepared the way they used to be. After awhile, the
manager has to be accountable, at least in part, for a dreadful record of
4-13 in the team’s last 17 postseason games.

理由一 過去十七場季後賽賽事4勝13負 季後賽第一輪被掃地出局似乎已經成為常態
       球隊對季後賽的準備與積極性欠缺

There were tactical mistakes, too, that may not have lost the series on their
own, but certainly didn’t help matters. Torre should have called upon Phil
Hughes as his first reliever in Game One, once it became apparent that
Chien-Ming Wang couldn’t direct his sinker downward. Instead, Torre turned
to the less experienced Ross Ohlendorf, essentially putting up a white flag
on a game that was still in question. In Game Three, Torre didn’t need to
put Joba Chamberlain in for a two-inning stint, not with a five-run lead.
(Torre and the coaches also looked disjointed as they frantically waved their
arms toward Robinson Cano, whom they apparently wanted to relay a message to
the bullpen.) That misjudgment ultimately didn’t cost the Yankees, since
Chamberlain wasn’t needed in Game Four, but imagine if the Yankees had held
a one-run lead going into the seventh with a tiring starter on the mound? How
would Chamberlain have responded to pitching back-to-back days after throwing
38 pitches? Torre also blundered in Game Four, when he failed to pinch-hit
for Doug Mientkiewicz after Wang had been knocked out. Minky was playing only
because of Wang’s groundball tendencies; once Wang went to the showers, the
Yankees needed to immediately switch to a better bat, like that of Jason
Giambi’s, to attempt a comeback against Cleveland. Instead, Torre stayed
with Minky until the sixth inning, when he called on Shelley Duncan. Giambi
remained on the bench until the eighth inning, by which time the Yankees’
 season had nearly reached the stage of desperation.

理由二 關鍵時刻戰術失當 如07季後賽第一場首名中繼投手作者認為應該派上Hughs
                                  第三場五分的領先下 不需要派上Joba
                                        不該跟Cano搖手跟牛棚傳話(!@$$%&*^?)
                                  第四場Wang下場以後沒馬上換下Mientkiewicz
                                        認為換上他先發純粹為了Wang的滾地球
                                        Wang下來以後應該馬上換上Giambi
                                        反之Torre直到第六局才換下Mientkiewicz
                                        讓Duncan代打
                                        到第八局才讓Giambi上場
Beyond the postseason failing, the Yankees’ poor first half of the season
also stands as a black mark against Torre. Yes, there was a bevy of injuries
to the starting rotation, but there was also listless play in the field, a
lack of intensity during too many at-bats, a ridiculous reliance on Miguel
Cairo as the everyday first baseman, a refusal to take an injured Johnny
Damon out of the lineup, and continued mismanagement of the bullpen. Torre
has to be accountable for some of those problems, all of which put the
Yankees in such a hole that they would have to end up settling for a wild
card instead of a division title.

理由三 上半季戰戰績太差 認為太多先發受傷不是重點 居然把一壘交給Miguel Cairo
       讓Damon不在先發名單
       更缺乏對於牛棚的管理
       讓洋基陷入只能爭取外卡資格的窘境

Torre’s legacy will remain overwhelmingly positive and it’s only a matter
of time before he takes his place in Cooperstown. But no one manages in one
place forever. Not Joe McCarthy, who resigned under fire in the middle of his
16th season in New York. Not even Casey Stengel, who managed the Yankees for
12 years, just like Torre, but was eventually fired. In my mind, 12 years has
been enough for Torre, too. There should be no shame in making a managerial
change one time in over a decade. Let’s just hope the Yankees move
decisively and don’t let Torre unnecessarily twist in the wind. He doesn't
has to be accountable for some of those problems, all of which put the
Yankees in such a hole that they would have to end up settling for a wild
card instead of a division title.

理由四 同老闆的兒子Hank說的 Nothing Last Forever

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※ 編輯: BastardRose     來自: 218.162.86.29        (10/14 21:51)
推 CCLu:理由一總結不當。
→ CCLu:理由二第三場的地方翻譯錯誤。
→ CCLu:理由三 Damon 那部份翻譯也不對。
※ 編輯: BastardRose     來自: 218.162.86.29        (10/14 22:09)
※ 編輯: BastardRose     來自: 218.162.86.29        (10/14 22:14)
推 schrei:列了四點有三點被鞭= =
推 BastardRose:修正了-__- 別鞭了...
推 kinkiway:第三場Joba上我也是霧傻傻~
※ 編輯: BastardRose     來自: 218.162.86.29        (10/14 22:46)
※ 編輯: BastardRose     來自: 218.162.86.29        (10/14 22:47)
推 krara:第三場讓Joba上沒有什麼不對，已經退無可退，派別人被追平或
→ krara:逆轉才會被鞭死。該拿下的比賽要穩穩的拿下。
推 godwangis:第三場讓喬八上市要死守住  翻盤就沒希望哩
推 ykd:這些理由就叫托瑞走人？我認為有點牽強...
推 Boyzone:請這位來當教練好了 科科