[新聞] Torre uncomfortable with pay cut, incentives in deal

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今天Torre親口說出拒絕合約的原因，的確是因為對合約內容的不滿

身為12年的教頭，他對只有一年，還外加條件的合約無法接受

雖然如此，記者會中他還是對在球迷、Yankees Organization，球員充滿感謝


Torre 記者會Video：
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?
videoId=3070656&categoryId=2378529&n8pe6c=1
http://tinyurl.com/yt2yzu

ESPN報導大要：

1. Torre 並非覺得合約的金額不夠慷慨，只是合約內容讓他覺得高層的態度是
   "let me see what you can do for me." 而非
   "we're trying to do something together"

2. Torre不排除去他隊都執教的可能

3. Pettitte表達了他的不捨，他仍未決定明年是否回來


ESPN 報導：
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3070544

Torre uncomfortable with pay cut, incentives in deal

RYE, N.Y. -- Joe Torre told his side of the story Friday, saying the
incentives in the New York Yankees' contract offer were an "insult."

"I just felt the contract offer, the terms of the contract, were probably the
thing I had the toughest time with -- the one year for one thing, the
incentives for another thing," Torre said of his reasons for declining the
offer. "I've been there 12 years and I didn't think motivation was needed."

"We knew exactly what was expected here," he said, "So, I just didn't think
it was the right thing for me, I just didn't think it was the right thing for
my players."

Torre, who won four World Series with the Yankees and made the playoffs each
of his 12 seasons, on Thursday turned down a one-year offer that would have
cut his base pay to $5 million, a reduction of $2.5 million, but offered $3
million in performance-based incentives and an $8 million option for 2009 if
the Yankees won the 2008 AL pennant.

Torre, who had just completed a $19.2 million, three-year contract, turned
down the deal after meeting for an hour in Tampa with team owner George
Steinbrenner, his sons Hal and Hank and team management.

Torre said the Thursday meeting went 20 minutes and that there was no
negotiation on the proposed contract terms. He would not disclose what terms
he offered to manage the team during the meeting, other than that the team
did not budge from its offer.

Asked if he would return if the team reconsidered, Torre said he wasn't
expecting that to happen. He said committment, not money, was the biggest
factor.

"I like to work with people -- there's a certain trust that has to be earned
and forged in order to have the commitment to follow," Torre said. "I can't
answer that question because I don't anticipate it happening. If someone
wanted me to manage here, I'd be managing here."

"Yes it was a very generous offer," he added, "but it wasn't the type of
commitment that 'we're trying to do something together,' as opposed to 'let
me see what you can do for me.'"

Bench coach Don Mattingly is the leading contender to replace Torre. Yankees
broadcaster Joe Girardi, the NL manager of the year with Florida in 2006, is
another top contender. Tony La Russa and Bobby Valentine could also be
considered.

With 2,067 regular-season wins, Torre is eighth on the career list and was
third among active managers behind the St. Louis Cardinals' La Russa (2,375)
and the Atlanta Braves' Bobby Cox (2,255).

Torre indicated he might not be done managing, either.

"That depends on sitting with someone and discussing what the job is. I still
feel the energy level," he said. "Right now my contract [with the Yankees]
runs till Dec. 1 ... I'm free to listen right now."

Would he return to Yankee Stadium for a ceremonial role, such as when Yankee
Stadium closes in 2008 and its successor is opened in 2009?

"I'm really not prepared to comment on that," he said.

Torre's departure could influence the thinking of several key players on
whether to return to The Bronx. Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte
and potentially Alex Rodriguez all face decisions on where they will play
next spring.

"I love Joe Torre to death," Pettitte told Houston's KRIV-TV on Friday. "He
meant the world to me. I hate that he's not going to be the manager.

"I have a big decision to make if I want to play again next year. I figured I
would give myself a month to make the decision."

Under Torre, the Yankees went 1,173-767, trailing only Joe McCarthy (1,460)
for wins among Yankee managers. Of those, he said the team's run of World
Series success stands out.

"That World Series run we had was incredible. You don't realize until you
lose a three-game lead like we did against Boston [in 2004] how important it
is to keep momemtum on your side," he said. "To win 14 straight World Series
games was pretty special. "

Torre never had much success as a manager before landing in New York, and
when he replaced Buck Showalter, many predicted he would be gone in no time.
But he turned out to be a rock and a buffer to the blustery Steinbrenner and
brought stability to a team accustomed to turmoil. The Yankees won the World
Series in 1996, his first year as their manager. They won again from
1998-2000, running off 14 World Series game wins in a row, and advanced to
Game 7 of the Series in 2001, when they failed to hold a ninth-inning lead at
Arizona.

Since then, despite baseball's largest payroll, there has been only
frustration: A first-round loss to the Angels in 2002, a World Series defeat
to the Marlins in 2003 and a painful collapse in 2004, when they allowed the
Red Sox to overcome a 3-0 deficit in the AL Championship Series.

They lost to the Angels in five games in the first round in 2005, were
eliminated by the Detroit Tigers last year and were knocked out by Cleveland
this year.

"I've been very proud over the last 12 years to be a part of an organization
that did very special things,' he said, thanking Steinbrenner, his players
and the team's fans for their support. "I took this job when I was 55 years
old and my goodness, it's been the most exciting time of my life
professionally, doing what we've been able to do in New York."

The Brooklyn native was the 1971 National League MVP and a nine-time
All-Star. Before joining the Yankees, he had unsuccessful managing stints
with the Braves, Cardinals and New York Mets -- the three clubs for which he
played over a 17-year career.

Signed by the Milwaukee Braves in 1960, Torre was second in Rookie of the
Year voting in 1961. With the Cardinals, Torre led the NL in batting average,
hits and RBIs in 1971, the year he won the MVP. Four times, he finished among
the NL's top 10 in batting average, hits, RBIs and on-base percentage.


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推 niceta:感謝你的提供，不然我的電腦看MLB.com的東西會沒有聲音 QQ
推 bibibibibi:沒辦法~不管怎樣只能接受這個結果了~希望明年有新氣象
推 Nasty:這真是一個讓人無法接受的結果 好歹要有些儀式還啥的
→ Nasty:M.Kay也說，她覺得應該要在簽一年，讓大家有準備，也好
→ Nasty:傳接給 Don，像這樣的走法，不是跟Bernie一樣都讓人很不捨
→ Nasty:連個儀式都沒有，大老闆真是不會做人
推 moneygigi:祝福TORRE
推 chasemasami:拜託 帶的那麼鳥 有給一年約就不錯 不想帶 快走吧
推 testpe:沒幾隊請的起他吧...
推 Nasty:樓樓上 帶的是多鳥 那其他沒進季後賽的 是不是通通fire
→ Nasty:薪水很高跟太的鳥是兩回事  講鳥會不會太偏質 那要不然你來
推 sunnyyoung:別吵啦 勞資雙方都給彼此台階下 沒鬧得太難看就好啦
推 sycc:季初一堆投手受傷 這並不是Torre的責任吧 且四次冠軍 是多鳥?
推 chasemasami:他是連全mlb最高薪600萬美金 人家天使隊教練才拿多少?
→ chasemasami:200萬美金 帶了一樣 當然要fire 本來就很鳥 這是事實
→ chasemasami:四次冠軍 還在做夢啊 從2001開始 連續七年沒拿冠軍
→ chasemasami:在美國是要往前看 不是往後看 你以前再強都是沒用啦
→ chasemasami:Bernie也很猛啊  現在在那裡? 為什麼球員不行走了很正
→ chasemasami:常 教練不行了 就一大堆人在護航?  torre就是鳥
推 Alan655:那個球員沒有低潮？  你不能因為幾年戰績不理想
→ Alan655:就否定他之前的成就
推 Nasty:你chasemasami個狗屁理論 你工作念書 就不要給我失敗一次
→ Nasty:不然你就別工作了 你也別念書了 而且也請你搞清楚 她不是
→ Nasty:領600萬美金好嗎? 連這個都搞不清楚 我看你球迷也別當了
→ Nasty:以後你老了 就不要有報應 被年輕一輩的說 以前不是很強
→ Nasty:現在在哪裡? 出來阿 我怎麼看不到你 你就不要生病
→ Nasty:講那什麼屁話 該走歸該走 不代表帶的鳥
推 Nasty:你很不爽有人護航 那你要不要也質問一下Jeter Posada Rivera
推 dans:帶進季後賽就很了不起了 你沒理由叫人WS天天拿阿....
→ dans:我覺得Torre做的真的很棒了 尤其是與前面幾任教頭比較時
→ dans:一直要求洋基打出ws會不會太強人所難?
推 Nasty:這小子一定又會說因為洋基新資最歌高阿
→ Nasty:薪資最高就非得年年拿冠軍? 那下一年小魚隊老闆只要花錢就
→ Nasty:冠軍囉?  "連續七年沒拿冠軍" 這種話批評你也說的出口
推 jww:相同理論=>最該被DFA的應該是jeter。季賽打得好有什麼用，第四
→ jww:戰打得那麼爛，跟本就是廢屁
推 libobobo:真的該換了 新人新氣象吧
推 siliver:的確換人不是因為托瑞做的差,只是真的換了能否打進季後賽댠
→ siliver:呢??在這樣的壓力下接任有誰能真的做的好??
推 kil1ua:chasemasami超優質的 你們都不知道啊！ 科科
→ kil1ua:給他當總教練 養雞隊年年拿總冠軍 讓球迷看到不想再看
推 bibibibibi:Torre每年都帶到季後賽 可是近幾年洋基季後賽老是卡到
→ bibibibibi:陰 不是便秘就是爆炸 短期比賽這樣搞 總教練也無可奈何
推 kangol:總有人該負責任 那幾個季候鳥砲的是不是該先走
推 siliver:樓上想太多,你說的那些砲走連季後賽都沒有,科科~~~~
→ mightymouse:不要說沒季後賽,甚至可能會去跟魔鬼魚作伴
→ chasemasami:他失敗了連七年 什麼失敗一次??? 到底有沒有到過美國
→ chasemasami:有沒有去過紐約? 有沒有去現場看過球? 知不知道美國人
→ chasemasami:要的是什麼啊?
→ chasemasami:護航什麼? 你又不是洋基老闆沒出錢 沒權力 老闆都說要
→ chasemasami:fire 鄉民算啥?  如果torre不鳥 老闆fire他幹嘛??????
→ chasemasami:killua我有說我當總教練 洋基拿冠軍嗎? 果然在政治板
→ chasemasami:被電 來洋基板還是一樣被電啊
推 winbond:每個人看法不同很正常 別講的好像你代表老闆或美國人
推 numblife:托瑞真的很會講話 場面話講的如火純青.....XD
→ numblife:還OK啦 反正這種事情本來就是你情我願 去別隊也祝福他:)
推 Sunofgod:反正這位C就是那種打的好是球員 打的爛總教練走人的咖
推 selfloss:Torre要走就走吧 要跟他走的也快點表態 不想跟錢過不去的
→ Sunofgod:標準的看是看表面的膚淺人
→ selfloss:就留下來 條紋球衣不怕沒人穿 明年換個總教練來罵也不錯
→ laechan:話講得好聽,實際上還是著眼在$$上.
推 y2jj:chasemasami吠了半天,原來要說的就是下面文章要說的
→ y2jj:不過人家的表達方式真好,不像你一樣只會亂嗆亂吠
推 seven32:  c兄講的也算是有道理啦
→ siliver:他是講的很嗆,因為其實他也不是美國人不知道在憤慨啥 XD
推 atale:他太早拿冠軍了,而且拿太多,以致老板忘了洋基10幾年沒拿冠軍
推 baccus:托瑞是很會帶心 不過真要說他很會帶兵那也難講 畢竟洋基的
→ baccus:的薪資水平是其他球隊的好幾倍 連續打進季後賽不全是托瑞的
→ baccus:功勞 比較教練的帶兵功力 也別忘了球隊的經濟實力
推 baccus:所以 弱隊的教練也未必不行 畢竟巧婦難為無米之炊
推 empiresimon:原來去過紐約，去看過現場比賽，就可以知道美國人要啥
→ empiresimon:好酷捏!
推 Sunofgod:說真的那四年世界大賽分散點今天就一堆人閉嘴了
推 tseng1978:我從1996年到 現在大約進場看過40次左右的比賽
→ tseng1978:我很清楚明白 是誰帶球隊跟去現場看球 根本沒有差...
→ tseng1978:托瑞帶的真的算是OK了 可是現在的洋基不適合他的帶法了
→ tseng1978:拿不到WS最主要的因素是球員鳥掉吧~
→ tseng1978:不過沒道理球員鳥掉 就火了球員 但是總要有人出來負責
→ tseng1978:當然是總教練被托出去斬了 其實托瑞一直在簽這種合約
→ tseng1978:大老闆是生意人 想法跟鄉民差不多 我就是要花錢買冠軍
→ tseng1978:不過這次的合約 是把話都說的太清楚太明白了
→ tseng1978:帶的這麼有壓力 乾脆不要帶了吧 這篇文章那段說的很好
→ tseng1978:大老闆的確是在跟托瑞說: 給你高薪 看看你能為我做什麼
推 roea68roea68:花錢就冠軍 比爾蓋茲花點小錢來賺大錢吧！！
推 gackt1225:人家老闆就是要花錢買冠軍啊=.=鄉民們一直護航何必呢
→ gackt1225:沒達到老闆標準被火很正常吧，與其罵C版友，不如罵老闆
→ gackt1225:不過這就是現實，我們不是老闆，背後講再多也沒用
推 Nasty:去過美國阿去過紐約阿看過球阿! well...so???
→ Nasty:去看過球，不代表知道美國人在想什麼，你這啥屁邏輯?
→ Nasty:好阿 鄉民算啥 那你不是鄉民嗎?難道你是老闆兒子?
→ Nasty:那你在那邊吠，又算啥屁?
→ Nasty:為何鳥才會被老闆火掉?那去年Girardis在馬林魚拿年度教練
→ Nasty:還不是被fire，小朋友難道你不知道職場上有個東西叫理念不合
→ Nasty:嗆嗆嗆個屁阿，你以為全世界就妳出過國喔! 妳真的很可笑
推 bozzio71:老闆提這個約其實就是給Torre下台階～Torre會拒絕應該
→ bozzio71:是兩方的共識吧～各位鄉民不要太認真啦～不過Torre
→ bozzio71:走下坡也是不爭的事實～各位鄉民就記得那些美好的回憶吧
推 redsnipertd:我到覺得要給他台階下.會給他大一點的合約,或是直接讓
→ redsnipertd:約滿退休,這樣減33%讓他帶點小不爽然後走人 這樣的處
→ redsnipertd:理方式在我看來並沒有讓他離開的衝擊降到最低
推 sycc:某c的確嗆過頭 好像只有他懂美國人在想什麼 (￣ー￣；)
推 aultra:C兄不要笑死人了 住美國看過球沒什麼了不起 板上一堆人都在
→ aultra:在海外 你這種話真的只是突顯你的不成熟而已
→ aultra:我上個月還去參觀過Boras在newport beach的公司
→ aultra:那難道我就要說 A-Rod接下來要幹嘛你們懂個屁啊??
→ aultra:紐約人雖然要冠軍要勝利 但不代表他們不要Torre
→ aultra:大部份的球迷都還是享受比賽 真正放不開的只有the boss
推 Nasty:推樓上最後一句，紐約最放不開的最怪咖的 就是大老闆
推 minishrike:推bizzio71
推 sgssgs:綠帽陣容可以打季後賽值得鼓勵，不過我們不同，那是應該的
推 ayumi21:某c真了不起 好像只有他懂美國人在想什麼 我也去過美國 呵