[新聞] A-POSSIBILITY

[MurphyWu (雪濤俠隱)]

我跳出去了，我又跳回來了……阿肉霹靂火，持續上映中。XP
如果真的回來當然很好，不回來日子還是要過下去啊，
身為鄉民只是喜歡看熱鬧而已。（逃）

重點：

1.小老闆鬆口了。

2.The Yanks' initial plan was to offer Rodriguez a five-year, $139 million
　extension beyond the three seasons he had left on the original 10-year
　contract.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11142007/sports/yankees/a_possibility_84443.htm

A-POSSIBILITY
HANK DOESN'T CLOSE THE DOOR ON RODRIGUEZ

By JOEL SHERMAN, GEORGE KING and MARK HALE

November 14, 2007 -- Hank Steinbrenner opened the door even wider for Mariano
Rivera to return to the Yankees yesterday and - perhaps more interesting -
did not slam the door on the potential of bringing back Alex Rodriguez.

Maybe it is just wishful thinking or part of a negotiating strategy, but in
recent days the Yankees began to hear some buzz that Rodriguez was interested
in engaging the organization in conversations. Until yesterday, Steinbrenner
had dismissed Rodriguez since his agent, Scott Boras, announced during Game 4
of the World Series that his client was opting out of the final three years
of his contract. Upset that Rodriguez would not even return his calls or
negotiate with the club, Steinbrenner said the Yanks were moving on without
Rodriguez, and the organization was unified behind that strategy.

But yesterday when reached by The Post, Steinbrenner was more non-committal.

"Whether something did happen or not," Steinbrenner said of a Rodriguez
return, "I am not going to comment on that situation."

It was the first, albeit subtle, sign of a thaw between the two sides. Was it
more than that? No Yankees official besides Steinbrenner commented on the
subject. Boras did not immediately return phone calls.

Yesterday was the first full day free agents could sign with clubs aside from
their old team. So Rodriguez is now eligible to sign with any suitor, and the
Angels and Dodgers have been viewed as the frontrunners.

It is clear that any chance Rodriguez has of returning to the Yankees is
going to be far more complex than that of Jorge Posada and Rivera. Posada has
agreed to a four-year, $52.4 million package that will become official after
his physical. Rivera has been made a three-year, $45 million offer and the
expectation is that he will ultimately return, as well.

"He has an offer," Steinbrenner said of Rivera. "By 4 million a year, he's the
highest-paid reliever at age 38. At this point, I'm inclined to see what he
does with it. A 38-year-old relief pitcher making 4 million more than anyone.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see it's a good offer."

On Monday, Rivera told the AP, "The Yankees are my first option. But if that
is not possible, there is Joe [Torre] with the Dodgers."

Current closer Takashi Saito is under contract with the Dodgers."Obviously,
he's one of the greatest relief pitchers of all time," Dodgers GM Ned Colletti
said of Rivera. "Whenever somebody like that is available, you have to take it
into consideration. That said, we haven't pursued it strongly at this point."

The Yanks had been adamant they would not re-sign Rodriguez without the $21
million subsidy the Rangers were giving as part of his February 2004 trade.
The Yanks' initial plan was to offer Rodriguez a five-year, $139 million
extension beyond the three seasons he had left on the original 10-year
contract. The Yanks probably would have no qualms about reviving that part of
the deal. The problem would come on what to do about the first three years
where the Ranger discount no longer exists.

Steinbrenner also mentioned the Yanks could look at both the Twins' Johan
Santana and the Marlins' Miguel Cabrera in possible deals.

"Brian [Cashman] is still probing different things," Steinbrenner said. "And
it's not all free agents. Some of it could be trades. Obviously we would be
interested in Santana and Cabrera, but it's just the usual probing. There is
plenty of time."

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推 dnndn:.....
推 jack18262:保安....
推 CGary:5年139M extension , 難怪 Boras頭也不回就脫逃了....:P
推 new951753:這應該是提仲裁吧....
推 lukehong:飽安
推 vanprasth:今年為了留人真的是不惜成本=_=
推 bigboss:如果還有條子幫忙攤,我相信洋基不會只提這個價錢.
推 CGary:樓上:"initial plan was".....這就是有條子分攤後NYY提的
→ CGary:extension...說實話超沒誠意的,A-rod才32,不是35+的功臣..
→ CGary:這個合約雖然合理,但是很沒誠意...
推 appshjkli:Yanks有說不從FA競爭,但是沒說薪資仲裁不行:P
推 CGary:只有10天左右,一開始提的plan就沒誠意,換你是選手,你會相信
→ CGary:跟老闆談下去會有結果嗎?我本來還在想為甚麼Boras不多聽聽報
→ CGary:價..如果是這種報價,我就大致了解了...XD
→ CGary:而且這就是薪資仲裁中NYY想出的價,不是FA喊的,Hank的說法是
→ CGary:想給A-rod在3年後一個5yr/139M的extension...算得還真精阿XD
推 bigboss:原來如此,感謝CGary大的指正,感恩感恩
推 magickevin:美金有跌到這麼不值錢嗎..我倒想看看A-rod最後簽多大約
推 yoyoboy1:之前都錯怪A-Rod了 這種價錢也想留人?  還說A-Rod沒義氣
→ yoyoboy1:你不仁我也不義了 彼此彼此~
推 CGary:我覺得這合約最大問題是長度,NYY擺明不想有任何overpaid的可
→ CGary:能性,A-rod在40歲前大幅下滑的機率不高,考慮這幾年FA的薪資
→ CGary:合約末期A-rod會很慘,這是A-rod最後一份大約的機會,3+5這種
→ CGary:長度,平均薪資還給那麼低,就是擺明告訴A-rod,你滾吧....
→ CGary:(補充:低是以A-rod全聯盟最高的水準來看,當然NYY開的價不算
→ CGary:低,不過竟然還不到30M...最黃金的五年...30M不到....= =)
推 rayven:堂堂帝國竟然只出這種價，難怪人家要脫逃
推 yoyoboy1:這種價錢很多球隊都出的起吧 難怪想也不想直接脫逃
推 tournamen:低是相對條子給的10年肥約吧 當初條子如果不要簽這麼高
→ yoyoboy1:簽五年有夠沒誠意! A-Rod想在紐約打到退休 球團擺明不想
→ tournamen:將近2800萬/Y的約也算是頗高了
推 appshjkli:Yanks的薪資也是有上限的:P
→ appshjkli:他不喜歡這個約就脫逃沒關係,我從不認為他脫逃是不好的
→ yoyoboy1:簽不起就說A-Rod沒義氣  NYY老闆真是峱種
推 tournamen:我不認為老闆簽不起= = 先開低一點本來就是談判的手法
→ CGary:不用特別說老闆峱啦,這樣看來就是回歸買賣,不要講甚麼誰沒
→ CGary:義氣..基本上大家都想精算,Boras應該認為28M 8year這種約他
→ CGary:一點也看不上眼吧...所以就變肥皂劇囉..看戲看戲..XD
→ CGary:(不過由此可以看出公子跟大老闆行事風格的不同...)
推 rayven:問題是低到人家不想上談判桌
推 superjerry2:到底是我看錯了還是怎樣..有人覺得28M/yr太低??
推 yoyoboy1:價錢還好 問題是在只簽5年 沒誠意＝ ＝
推 aresa:28M/8y是很小 28M/y是很大
推 appshjkli:我等著看Boras能不能弄出個$300M for 10 years的約
推 rayven:對，Bora$跟A-Rod都覺得這太低，有問題嗎？
推 Argerich:是簽五年還是延長五年？
推 magickevin:是延長五年.共8年.Arod也40了.還有人嫌約短沒誠意 = =
推 summoon:簽到40 一年28M,這種價合情合理吧
推 appshjkli:話說若30m/yr10年約,就代表之後要付42歲的A-rod30M(茶)
推 hzjbb:一堆人說的好像很輕鬆，不過反正錢也不是鄉民付的
推 XSZX:印象中洋基提這份薪資仲裁根本不是為了要留人
→ XSZX:而是提出仲裁後，若遭到拒絕，可以從最後得到Arod的隊伍身上
→ XSZX:獲得一至兩個選秀權<因選秀權的順位定>
→ XSZX:這才是洋基所要的，至於Arod，洋基已經不抱任何期望了...
推 gerkk:無所謂 賣肉來吧
推 XSZX:詳情請見Arod版的2103篇.....
推 in3:這份應該是A-Rod行使逃脫之後才提的吧? 原本的約不是這樣子
→ in3:而且行使逃脫之前，還可以跟洋基談，有望談成10年，每年3000M
→ in3:現在這份合約，擺明不想要A-ROD，只想拿選秀權而已 XD
→ in3:若A-rod答應，則洋基可以賺到錢又面子，不答應，也賺到選秀權
推 siliver:如果這是為了薪資仲裁才提的,那前面的推文是??誤解??
推 agoodjob:拜託不要回來！很難再喜歡這個人！
推 rayven:樓樓上如果看不懂英文可以參考CGary的推文，講得夠詳細了
→ rayven:指in3
推 bryon:老實說應該要回頭想想當初10年2.5億.搞不好本身就已經是over
→ bryon:paid了.不然條子也不需要認賠.所以用維持原薪就是忍受overpa
→ bryon:id給A-Rod的禮遇的話也說得通啊.只能說A-Rod跟Boras胃口不小
→ bryon:而且球員35歲以後還要維持好成績頗難.加上禁藥越查樂嚴.老怪
→ bryon:物的發生可能性我個人是覺得會降低不少
推 talogia:應該是逃脫前就提的，雖然落差大不過應該還有談判的空間
→ talogia:不過看前面的推文讓我價值觀錯亂，28M/yr原來很少啊....
推 patoo:等著看看有沒有球隊出得起28M/yr這種"低價"....
推 rayven:不要幻想成那錢是要給自己的就會比較能冷靜看待這些數字
推 sam105251:應該說阿肉在後3年本來就可以領27m/yr...但洋基在延長合
→ rayven:比起30M，10年約的難度更高
推 gino801:20m/yr的球員也才幾個 很少??要換算成台幣比較好了解嗎??
→ sam105251:約方面是給5年220m 大概是28m/yr..如果是幫球隊打那麼久
→ sam105251:卻沒有提高薪資..所以覺得沒誠意吧??是這樣嗎..英文不好
→ sam105251:假如是我說的這樣..洋基有一部分是游騎兵給的.提出這種
→ sam105251:offer會讓人不高興...如果解讀有錯請指教
→ sam105251:是5年139m打錯
推 talogia:我也覺得問題在約的長度，只是遊騎兵的前車之鑑不遠
推 rayven:是也有人猜Bora$因為洋基沒把條子幫付的錢吐出來而不高興啦
推 talogia:這種約要簽要賭很大....
→ talogia:有個感覺大家對給Arod的錢比較斤斤計較是因為他還不算是
→ talogia:洋基人....
推 Yeeeha:那個...要推文討論的，麻煩看一下原文好嗎？很多人誤解了
推 redsnipertd:28M/year嫌小  有什麼辦法
推 rayven:真搞不懂CGary都寫那麼清楚了還有人可以搞不清楚狀況亂酸
推 yjhuang:今年的表現是不多啦.. 去年的表現就嫌多了.大家覺得35歲後
→ yjhuang:他會比較接近今年的表現，還是去年的表現呢.. XD
推 redsnipertd:斤斤計較很正常啦,照Boras簽下去可是每年卡30M在那邊
推 rexphone:我覺得出這價正常的，畢竟洋基早就醜話講再先了，要回來
→ rexphone:降價再說~
推 siliver:我也覺得約給太多太長就真的是自找死路,姑且不管A-ROD的火
→ siliver:力在35歲後會不會下降,他的防守能力也是個大問號吧??
→ siliver:要是到時候別說游擊連三壘也沒辦法守而移防到1B或其他地方
→ siliver:那這價碼可大大不妙吧??尾大不掉的薪資卡了一大塊....
推 lucifermoon:今年防守聖經a-rod三壘好像也不是很好
推 ocnj:好機...
推 roger744:合情合理 35歲的C給4y/52M NY鄉民說是情義價 36歲的CP給
→ roger744:3y/45M說有點貴可是還好 這樣簽ㄧ個百年出不了一個的游擊
→ roger744:重砲天才28M變成合情合理?A-ROD32歲 而且穩定的猛了1x年ꨠ
→ roger744:是NYY不給他守游擊的 可不是他不能守 大家再來看看基特35
→ roger744:歲時會不會把游擊讓出來吧
推 sam105251:真的..現在回想..最慘的真的就是阿肉被洋基變成三壘手減
→ sam105251:低價值
推 XSZX:當某人只把錢是為誠意，到底是誰比較沒誠意？
→ XSZX:不是說不能追求高薪資，而是要求別人用超出其價值的價碼當作
→ XSZX:誠意的表現，這無論如何都是一種詭異的要求
→ XSZX:只有錢才算誠意，無怪乎現在都只要真金而無需真心
→ XSZX:以上所言不是在針對AROD，而是針對只將錢財視為誠意的想法